Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Alianna]

3.14

Votecount 3.14

shaddowez (E-2): Jake The Wolfie, lucca261, JacksonVirgo
Skygazer (2): SirCakez, shaddowez
JacksonVirgo (2): Argonauts, Black
Save The Dragons (1): Skygazer

Not Voting (1): Save The Dragons

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

[Skygazer]

VOTE: jackson

[JacksonVirgo]

I just had to break up a fight between my mates, today is cursed as hell

[JacksonVirgo]

Care to elaborate on that vote too?

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I don't care, I had enough for today

[Argonauts]

I just had to break up a fight between my mates, today is cursed as hell

my condolences.
~o

[JacksonVirgo]

Thanks man, I'm gonna take a nap or a deep sleep whichever takes me first

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think town!you is more open with your progression. I think you would post your doubts about me. I think scum!you holds back doing that because you're trying to pocket me all game

You saw in the last game that sometimes I townread people that townread me. I feel like you're using that against me this game

How would you go about demonstrating that Jackson might be pocketing you?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nah, I think this is scum!sky

I feel like there is usually a point in Sky's town games where she buckles down and really starts to think critically about the game. I haven't seen that at all here. She's just coasting

Like I think sky posts reactively a lot but when she's town there's usually a moment where she feels guilty about not doing anything and then starts to be proactive for a bit before she slides off into obscurity again. I've seen it after her being pushed before but she got to e-1 and she's still just lurking around

I would like you to prove your case here.
Is her current gameplay consistent with her scumplay, and atypical of her townplay? Provide a few of her games as evidence.

@Black

Do get to this when you have the chance.

Sure. It probably won't be tonight. Feel free to look over her games yourself though

Also, you still haven't done this (to my knowledge)

[JacksonVirgo]

Will get to what I said I was gonna do real soon

[Jake The Wolfie]

Damnit Jackson, go to deep sleep already!

[JacksonVirgo]

Damnit Jackson, go to deep sleep already!

Lmao how long do you want me to even sleep for

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm genuinely super frustrated at the wagon on me, I don't think it's really all that fair at all. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to town-read somebody strongly without getting "oh ur just pocketing owo" thrown at my face all the time, oversimplifying my stance (on Black obviously) as unwavering town-reading for unsubstantiated reasoning when if people read what I've been saying about Black I feel that's ignoring my wall-case on Black that I discussed with Jake and just throwing my words into a bucket it doesn't belong in. I also don't understand why you think I would put my ass on the line just to throw Jacob out of the game and not just that but then continue to make myself look worse and worse by going with a 3-shot and just making myself look shitty over time rather than just claiming the 1-shot and leaving it at that. Getting voted because of how I think and play moreso than anything actually related to my alignment is just an awful feeling.

To elaborate further on both reasons to vote me, I think Argo's reasoning is just words to fill a feeling they had moreso than they genuinely believe that me claiming a red-check, when I got it, was scummy cuz that just sounds super silly. The seeing me as scummy for town-reading Black in an unwavering way is at least understandable. If you read this game you'll know that it's not uncommon for me to just throw someone into a top town-read bucket and focus elsewhere without verbally expanding too much on my doubts which I do get over time. I scum-read Elements at first, when I caught up I just saw them as town and didn't waver from that until elo where you have to throw away all assumptions and start from scratch, but even then I never saw myself voting them and I was right. It's not out of my scum range by any means but like you're seemingly on the line of thinking that this is just scummy when it's NAI and it's genuinely frustrating. I also HAVE BEEN explaining the doubts in my reads to some degree such as in the conversation I had with Jake so it's not like I've thrown you in a town bucket and never looked back even verbally I've said what I don't like about you.

I don't wanna be mad at a game so I'll be back soon

[SirCakez]

I'm not interested in this JV wagon today and the above post solidifies that

[SirCakez]

I'll vote Shadowez if we can't get Sky through but that would not be my preference

[Black]

VOTE: Skygazer

[Argonauts]

I think Jackson being loud and complaining about being scumread after he pushed through a false guilty is pretty cringe. I disliked how he handled it in the moment, both trying to push just how incredibly unlikely it was to be a false guilty and also that it's totally not his fault if it's false.

And yet this exact thing happened in the first version, with our Loyal Checker getting roleblocked. It isn't even all that unlikely.

Just because it happened doesn't mean it's likely. You say it isn't unlikely but even if it's 75/25% (which it is far from), they're scummy on their own and I would want them flipped regardless as I did on D1.

I started going this way in my last post, regarding JacksonVirgo. While I want to say he's scum because of his call on me, it seems like it'd be a dumb play, since his whole argument was that it's a super low chance he'd been blocked, meaning the reasoning could be used right back at him when I'm revealed as a townie.

What? Your focus continually seems more and more off base. If you're Town you're repeatedly focusing on the wrong things

I never said the only possibility was you being mafia because it isn't and I especially don't believe that. I'm confident, I am not saying you're confirmed wolf and there's a massive difference in that you seem to be ignoring. I scum-read your slot the most through day one, and I have an action that corroborates that same idea. Do you genuinely think I would not see that those things align and be more confident in my reads? Do you genuinely think that because of my reads and the soft-guilty aligning with those, that I must be wolf if I'm wrong? Forgive me if I'm wrong on this but nobody is voting you primarily based off the soft-guilty, nearly everybody that I saw said that they had you scum-read by some degree and this is just aligning with that fact. It's not a cop-guilty, and nobody except you is pretending that it is. Stop it

Jackson, why do you think my reaction to your 'guilty' check was townie? You said it would be if Jacob flipped red, but he didn't, but you're still saying it.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, why do you think my reaction to your 'guilty' check was townie? You said it would be if Jacob flipped red, but he didn't, but you're still saying it.

I already explained why, pretty recently at that, the read would be stronger if he flipped red yeah but the feeling still remains

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm okay with being cringe

[Skygazer]

VOTE: shaddow

[Save The Dragons]

i think i prefer shadow to skygazer but i don't feel great about anything right now

have not had time to look back at the people i wanted to look back at :<

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think town!you is more open with your progression. I think you would post your doubts about me. I think scum!you holds back doing that because you're trying to pocket me all game

You saw in the last game that sometimes I townread people that townread me. I feel like you're using that against me this game

How would you go about demonstrating that Jackson might be pocketing you?

Nah, I think this is scum!sky

I feel like there is usually a point in Sky's town games where she buckles down and really starts to think critically about the game. I haven't seen that at all here. She's just coasting

Like I think sky posts reactively a lot but when she's town there's usually a moment where she feels guilty about not doing anything and then starts to be proactive for a bit before she slides off into obscurity again. I've seen it after her being pushed before but she got to e-1 and she's still just lurking around

I would like you to prove your case here.
Is her current gameplay consistent with her scumplay, and atypical of her townplay? Provide a few of her games as evidence.

@Black

Do get to this when you have the chance.

Sure. It probably won't be tonight. Feel free to look over her games yourself though

Also, you still haven't done this (to my knowledge)

@Black

, please answer these.

[SirCakez]

Jackson why do you think you got a guilty on town?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am sorely dissapointed in you Cakez. You had every opportunity to ask this question at the beginning of the day, immediately after I came out and started pushing Jackson on a similar point.

[SirCakez]

You inspired me! What can I say