Kemusan - Game Over

[SirCakez]

i think my reads on rh9 and enchant both just tanked

can you talk about what caused this because it went totally over my head

rh9 - i asked him a pretty basic question and he just asked me for clarification and then said "noted" instead of answering, i feel town rh9 would be more open with his thoughts but scum rh9 might put some distance in being confronted even if it's a benign question

enchant - i actually think i'm a decent enchant whisperer. i have been able to discern their alignment before. the biggest take away here is that enchant is a mech heavy player. Even in a game that's not mech heavy like this one, there's still some discussion to be had about what might be optimal. enchant has not really chimed in. the other important thing to note is that by meta, enchant trolls as either alignment. HOWEVER, i believe that when enchant is scum, nearly all or all of their posts are trolling. tell me if you see anything in this game so far that you would consider content from enchant.

without votes or anything happening i would take both of these with a grain of salt but they're enough to make me go "hmm"

i can see both of these arguments actually, thanks. i think this makes me lean more heavily towards wanting to drop enchant since you're right that his iso is literally nothing today

[RH9]

i'm going to reread holiday dance party and check for similarities/differences between lld there and lld here.

By the by, how did this go?

i think that lld (when she wasn't high) seemed similar in both games.
tho lld was more serious in that game overall. but it's probably nai since i don't think she was high for pretty much the entire time.
she did express a similar interest in dance partners. and she misread gl and me.
overall, i'm happy having lld as a townlean.

[RH9]

tbh i am feeling better about cakez being town.

[RH9]

also if anybody wants to know what my scumgame looks like, this is a good example.

[fferyllt]

LLD, Cabd, FF, FIR, FB.
Maybe skitter?
And definitely Ydrasse.

Are you speaking a generality? If you're not, then you'll have to be more clear because I don't know what non-generality meaning I should get from it.

[fferyllt]

I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.

I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.

Feel like elaborating at some point? Doesn't need to be this phase.

I'll want to revisit well before intermission.

[Bell]

Oh, I’m just saying these are the scary scum players that win the games. Because HST asked me who I was referring to when I was talking about my opinion that killing people for having the potential to be scum that can win the game isn’t good.

Because water is wet.
And ydra mention was just a joke.

[fferyllt]

Despite my paranoia reads list (which you don't get to see atm), I like some recent Skitter posts.

[Bell]

I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.

I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.

Feel like elaborating at some point? Doesn't need to be this phase.

I'll want to revisit well before intermission.

I’m basically making a subtle lld/Cabd swipe since they’re the most hands on in terms of coaching.
This is just in reference to unique plays or posts I wouldn’t expect a player to make, such as HST’s vote which someone else might’ve brought to their attention or RH’s near perfect response when I asked them why they didn’t find it weird I couldn’t remember how many scum there were.

I don’t really think enchant can be coached.

[Save The Dragons]

also if anybody wants to know what my scumgame looks like, this is a good example.

looks similar (tho i'll admit i did a quick skim)

what's different about it

[fferyllt]

I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.

I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.

Feel like elaborating at some point? Doesn't need to be this phase.

I'll want to revisit well before intermission.

I’m basically making a subtle lld/Cabd swipe since they’re the most hands on in terms of coaching.
This is just in reference to unique plays or posts I wouldn’t expect a player to make, such as HST’s vote which someone else might’ve brought to their attention or RH’s near perfect response when I asked them why they didn’t find it weird I couldn’t remember how many scum there were.

I don’t really think enchant can be coached.

Yeah I know there are great coaches in this game. You implied some people are playing outside your expectations, though, which I interpret as being coached. If that's so, I will want to talk about it with you in the next phase.

[Bell]

Why not this phase? I have no unique insights in this regard, nor am I particularly likely to be accurate and I don’t have much experience with what coaching looks like compared to to a player just being a different alignment.

[Enchant]

I don’t really think enchant can be coached.

Do you think i am hopeless huh

[Bell]

I’d like to think it’s just because you’re a free spirit and or, I’m never very sure if you’re listening or even reading.

I really don’t know how much effort you put in to mafia. What you get out of it. What the differences are between your alignments and how you choose to pursue your win conditions.

I can never tell when you’re joking and when you’re not.

[Bell]

This was more to state that certain players even if coached 1 on 1 probably wouldn’t look significantly different.

[Ydrasse]

what if i danced with enchant

[fferyllt]

Why do you think ff is scum?
STD

i think her tone is stilted, i think her ATE could be insincere, i think every post she makes is kind of "look at me, I'm so town!". i dunno if it's just her playstyle but i just am having trouble believing her. i think i've asked her like 2 questions too that she's just ignored.

i have a reason to think that cabd is town. I think she's trying to blow up that spot or convince him to use his clout to keep her around

i dunno. ultimately i just don't believe her

I didn't notice your questions. I'll skim your iso and get back to you.

Also, you were in a newbie game where I decided I shouldn't be at the elo table before Night 1 started. I hung around as long as I could to help solve the game but had no qualms about leaving the day before elo. I mostly bridled my ire because it was newbie game. I think town-you could probably glean some perspective by revisiting it. viewtopic.php?sid=&f=11&t=88358&user_select%5B%5D=20541

[fferyllt]

Ffffffff

If you could pick one lady for me to pair with, whom would you pick

Who do you think you'll be able to get a good read on?

But I'm curious as to what you'll say

that reminds me tho, just so it doesn't get lost can i get a name from ya, ff?

Actually I do remember these questions now, but at the time it sent me into crawling isos and I probably got distracted by something shiny or annoying.

At the time, I was thinking maybe Skitter or Gypyx because I had a lot of concerns about fireisred. Those concerns are alleviated to some degree.

Right now I don't have confidence that any of those 3 potential pairings would have been town-town.

This whole game is spinning around the axis of "I don't have a Cabd read yet", and my Gypyx read is very contingent on Cabd's alignment.

[Save The Dragons]

you might need to eli5 what you're trying to say wrt the newbie game

[fferyllt]

you might need to eli5 what you're trying to say wrt the newbie game

I was town and annoyed as hell among other things. I doubt my ire was fully expressed in that game because I took being a friendly face to newbie players very seriously when we had a newbie queue.

But, there were echoes.

I could rifle through other games including one where Ceph sandbagged me, but I figured your familiarity of that one would make my "AtE" more easy to spot.

[skitter30]

what if i danced with enchant

I feel like not the best idea b/c i think it's going to be hard to resolve the slot later if u aren't killed

[fferyllt]

what if i danced with enchant

Are you an enchant whisperer?

[fferyllt]

Why not this phase? I have no unique insights in this regard, nor am I particularly likely to be accurate and I don’t have much experience with what coaching looks like compared to to a player just being a different alignment.

Mostly because I want more time figuring out/working with Cabd before I go down that rabbit hole.

[Enchant]

what if i danced with enchant

Who you ask

[Save The Dragons]

ffery

i should clarify

i think your ATE could be you channeling emotions into false indignation at not being tr

not necessarily that you are incapable of ATEing as town

but since you brought it up, i've skimmed that iso a couple of times and can't really find the same ATE feeling? i might need to be pointed in the right direction or im just completely misunderstanding what your point is.

another thing that was weird for me but i forgot about until just now is stuff like 1140 it's kind of a "hey, im putting in town work" but you just kind of say "this iso is good, here's some reasons why it's bad" and don't really describe what the reasons you like for several posts after