Mini Theme 2328: Death Note: Second Page. Day 3!

[Aureal]

When we flip town

Um

Like, after the game is over?

*confusion*

[Aureal]

So HPE, is ActionDan Kira or just the other Follower

Hmmmmmmmmm

You think HPE wouldn't call so much attention to itself if it was Kira?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I guess HPE just honestly feels that's something it would do regardless of alignment?

Correct!

[Radical Rat]

Alright, if things are getting serious now...

CUDDLE TIME's probably Town. In my experience, the Fun Police in games usually have just been Town, and I think everyone else looks fine. I don't agree with T-Bone's assessment of Black, because I wouldn't expect anything beyond "lazy reads" at this point in the game anyway.

VOTE: Hu Tao
Hu Tao's the only one I saw ACTUALLY treating it as a policy lim, and... that's all they've had to say about anything.

[Klick]

So HPE, is ActionDan Kira or just the other Follower

Hmmmmmmmmm

You think HPE wouldn't call so much attention to itself if it was Kira?

I think HPE is a Follower, not Kira

[Hu Tao]

One of those three may be scum. Feels like a potentially opportunistic stance to take

-Black

Not really saying much when the chance of there being at least one scum in any 3 names is 16/21. That's higher than 75%

One of those three may be scum. Feels like a potentially opportunistic stance to take

-Black

This is pretty lazy if your slot is town.

But your slot has made 37 posts and the rest of us have barely got double digits. Couple that with the hydra dissonance you're already showing at best you're a net negative for the town right now. But since your slot has given the most content my honest opinion is that it is pretty anti-town with the hydra dissonance alone.

I appreciate these posts being made right after.

[Hu Tao]

I'm going to take a nap. I'll catch up later

[Aureal]

So HPE, is ActionDan Kira or just the other Follower

Hmmmmmmmmm

You think HPE wouldn't call so much attention to itself if it was Kira?

I think HPE is a Follower, not Kira

Yeah, I gathered you thought that. But why, then?

[CUDDLE TIME]

I appreciate these posts being made right after.

Not you appreciating someone calling my read lazy. You are the Queen of Lazy Reads

I'm sorry my page 6 thought wasn't baked enough for you

-Black

[Klick]

So HPE, is ActionDan Kira or just the other Follower

Hmmmmmmmmm

You think HPE wouldn't call so much attention to itself if it was Kira?

I think HPE is a Follower, not Kira

Yeah, I gathered you thought that. But why, then?

Just a feeling. It's only a 5% chance.

[CUDDLE TIME]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm down to see where this goes. We still support the HPE wagon obv

-Black

[CUDDLE TIME]

When we flip town

Um

Like, after the game is over?

*confusion*

Ngl I forgot about that mechanic

My memory is so bad

-Black

[Hu Tao]

So two things, sorry, when you're a 4 person hydra I'm going to fixate on dissonance. Your slot can quickly make the game unfun if not reigned in. I'm not saying you're doing it right now but I am bracing myself for it and that doesn't have anything to do with you.

I'll grab the posts later but there was one of you arguing with Aureal about just asking questions/not having reads, to the certainly of the HPE scumread, to also having a Klick read but backing off because one of your heads does not agree. That's a lot of whiplash that started on like page 3 and now we're here on page 6.

I agree with this and understand what you meant right away

[Hu Tao]

I was going to give Dragon credit because I think when Dragon said "I'm reading HPE as scum and not trying to push a different read to prevent this" I took him seriously and that's why I cited specifically what I was talking about about so he could see it. But Black came in to prove the point and undercut Dragon all at once. How is that not dissonance? Even if you think they haven't done it to this point it happened in real time when trying to defend against the claim (Dragon) and dismiss the claim like a troll (Black). Black just made the claim that I cannot believe they are anti-town because they are 4 strong players. Where is the strong play from Black in this situation???

I've never played with you before but I appreciate your posting so far regardless of alignment it is insightful.

[Hu Tao]

Anyway I should probably make a case for HPE now since all of us scumread it:

Not sure why Black scumreads it.

Thomith says HPE's play reminds him of scum!HPE from Mini Normal 2322.

I think HPE is scum for several reasons: its approach to Adorable, specifically soft defending it but not really townreading it, feels scum motivated and similar to how I've seen it interact with town (as scum) in Mini Normal 2322. Then there was also the point of HPE pointing out that it did something in a past game as a "defense", except they did it in a scum game:

Spoiler: quotes

This one doesn't want to like, be a dick about it by driving the point home but it just thinks trying to understand Adorable here is a futile effort and we're gonna wanna wait for the other heads to rear themselves.

And yet you're... voting with me?

This one is a big fan of blowing people up based on game-irrelevant vibes.

Just ask cw357!

cs357 was a townie that scum!HPE pushed, so this "defense" of saying it's just something it likes to do and comparing the two situations feels like a scumclaim more than anything else.


Other than HPE, I think Black strongly TRs Aureal for her aggression and vibes, I'm townleaning that but also have a similar viewpoint to AD's 118. Thomith and I both agree that if Aureal is scum, she might be partnered with RR (for me it's mainly RR's vote on Aureal felt like it could be signaling? idk).

Both Black and I dislike Hu Tao's push on our slot, and I also feel like Hu Tao has used the "being overwhelmed with hydra" as an excuse not to engage with the game.

Hopefully this gives you more meat to work with regarding what our reads are, in a way that's less dissonant.

- Dragon

P.S. I don't scumread T-Bone. Haven't fully made up my mind if I'm townleaning him or just null. And as I said earlier I TR Klick.

I appreciate this post as well.

[Hu Tao]

I'm willing to expand on my thoughts on the CUDDLE TIME slot with the understanding that this is as far as I'm willing to take the discussion for at least like 24 hours; I don't want this to become the line of discourse that dominates my airwaves

In essence, I townread CUDDLE TIME because they've shown several instances of posting that has a clear focus on solving and making solving possible. This is from multiple heads. I don't believe the current goal from any of them is to get townread. There's an aggressive approach from them that seems to be trying to make plays happen early with the intent of drumming up info. This is very consistent from what I'd expect of town!Dragon and kind of town!Black as well.

I've come to the same conclusion. I got what I needed to be able to read both black and dragon. I'm pretty familiar with them and I feel confident in reading them. They both replied in a way that I feel town them would. Do you have familiarity with T-Bone? Is he known as a very strong scum player?

[Hu Tao]

Alright, if things are getting serious now...

CUDDLE TIME's probably Town. In my experience, the Fun Police in games usually have just been Town, and I think everyone else looks fine. I don't agree with T-Bone's assessment of Black, because I wouldn't expect anything beyond "lazy reads" at this point in the game anyway.

VOTE: Hu Tao
Hu Tao's the only one I saw ACTUALLY treating it as a policy lim, and... that's all they've had to say about anything.

That wasn't his main argument so I'm confused how you came to that conclusion

[Hu Tao]

I appreciate these posts being made right after.

Not you appreciating someone calling my read lazy. You are the Queen of Lazy Reads

I'm sorry my page 6 thought wasn't baked enough for you

-Black

You completely missed the point of what t-bone was saying and you took it as a personal attack on your game. And I'm disheartened that you decided to take that to do an attack on my play. But I still you.

[Hu Tao]

So HPE, is ActionDan Kira or just the other Follower

Hmmmmmmmmm

You think HPE wouldn't call so much attention to itself if it was Kira?

I think HPE is a Follower, not Kira

Yeah, I gathered you thought that. But why, then?

Just a feeling. It's only a 5% chance.

My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)

[Hu Tao]

It* sorry

[Klick]

I'm willing to expand on my thoughts on the CUDDLE TIME slot with the understanding that this is as far as I'm willing to take the discussion for at least like 24 hours; I don't want this to become the line of discourse that dominates my airwaves

In essence, I townread CUDDLE TIME because they've shown several instances of posting that has a clear focus on solving and making solving possible. This is from multiple heads. I don't believe the current goal from any of them is to get townread. There's an aggressive approach from them that seems to be trying to make plays happen early with the intent of drumming up info. This is very consistent from what I'd expect of town!Dragon and kind of town!Black as well.

I've come to the same conclusion. I got what I needed to be able to read both black and dragon. I'm pretty familiar with them and I feel confident in reading them. They both replied in a way that I feel town them would. Do you have familiarity with T-Bone? Is he known as a very strong scum player?

I don't think I've played with T-Bone scum before but from what I understand he is a very strong scum player.

I still think he's town here though

[Klick]

My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)

Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira

[Hu Tao]

Okay I was gonna have him as town but if he can make those kind of posts as scum, then I shouldn't.

T-Bone can you send me a random scum game of yours?

[Hu Tao]

My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)

Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira

We get no alignment on flip based on the rules. So I think it would just be better to vote the scummy person than voting someone else because the person we think is scummy might have scum slipped them. (If that's not your point then sorry I misunderstood)

[ActionDan]

I might have found Aureal's aggression and questioning towny if it weren't for her being in the wrong at every turn. It sours me.

What on earth does that mean? What am I wrong about?

As many have said Klick's entrance is doodoo.

You explain this too please.

It would require an essay to explain every fallacy in your conversation with the Hydra - I really don't care to do that.

As for Klick he came in and engaged with a trivial post and his rejoinder was not germane

@cuddles : I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine.

VOTE: HIGH PRINCESS SCUMRINYS

We've been opposite alignments for 4 games in a row, don't see a reason it would change now.

Okay bye I'm going to play the marathon NewD3 now.

????

The first one totally sounds like something I would say, and I'm always town so maaaaaybe I could kinda see it being towny (but really that's probably just a personal quirk of mine). But I definitely disagree on the second, it feels somewhat pre-emptively defensive to need to announce that you're leaving to do something else.

I allow myself some idiosyncrasies to how I judge some early statements. I wasn't married to the read but after post 164 I'm quite happy with it.

My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)

Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira

You're welcome to share that.