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If Gimli is scum he's pushing all the right town buttons
I think this is just Gimli!town-
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HPE, why have you felt the need to claim so early?-
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What did hpe claim-
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In post 447, Gimli wrote: This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli-
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*me pretending to know what that is*
Ah, yes. I see. Why would you do this, HPE? And why Gimli?-
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Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2-
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I what now? I think I was the first one giving HPE a funny look for the way it voted! The rest of y'all are just following me!In post 445, Gimli wrote: HPE could easily be kira with aureal and maybe will o'wisp as followers
all aureal did this game wrt HPE was soft defend it"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Buttons like...?In post 450, Klick wrote: If Gimli is scum he's pushing all the right town buttons
I think this is just Gimli!town"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?In post 455, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I have no reason to worry about people's names in the game. I'm not follower or Kira. So I just ignore it like any other flavor-
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Incognito obscures your visible name until the start of D2. It's basically a Doc unless Kira wastes Assassinate on you.In post 447, Gimli wrote:
okayIn post 428, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
and also to try and coalesce this unhinged ramble into something tangible: This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli, which is only useful if this one is town with him (not that it can know if it IS townIn post 427, HighPrincessErinys wrote: My thoughts on the red herring signaling thing are like... It's a delicate balance, it's SUPER delicate. Both the Assistant and Followers will want to signal who they are to the Detective and Kira respectively but when scum has to correctly signal to and identify each other to be cohesive, town is going to be on high alert for that, and likewise with Detective/Assistant and scum. This one would like to think it can do better to signal to Kira "hey im a follower!! yahoo!!" than latching onto Gimli, especially if Gimli were my Kira. The main benefit to Kira-Follower identification is both not wasting Kira's time with failed kills, and more importantly: Shinigami Eyes. Last time we condemned a Follower D1 and detective died and we had to scramble to find Kira but in the long haul of a full 5 days, Followers do NOT want to stick their necks out, because it means less chances of successful identification of the Detective, and less time to prove yourself to Kira. If Kira has both Followers figured out and one blurts out "Hey [Player]'s visible name is fake, it's [Name]" then that's gg unless we catch Kira the next day. This isn't actually very relevant to anything right now other than "we should probably look harder for non-surface level signaling" and guys PLEASE ME TRUST ME ITS NOT SIGNALING THIS ONE WAS JUST FUCKING AROUND WITH GIMLIwithhim) as Kira has no need to put it on someone else and Followers have no need to put it on Kira as they probably aren't getting killed in like 2 days. Similarly, Followers wouldn't put it on themselves as they have fake names, same with Detective. This is really more NAI than anything but unless you think this one big brained enough to think about this pre-game then its also simultaneously moreso towny.
can you explain why incognito would be useful if you're town with me? granted I haven't read the setup yet-
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I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.-
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They only would have did this if they were similarly not paying attention, but it seems like no one... really... was. Enchant you really needed to put the skills in the setup.In post 455, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2-
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Wouldn't say Gimli pushed me for giving him Incog, he had no way of knowing it was me, but frfrfrfrfrIn post 458, Aureal wrote:
Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?In post 455, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2-
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I mean, I was paying attention, having read the setup I knew Gimli'd been Incognito'd, my point is more why would you have claimed responsibility unprompted like this?-
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In post 464, Radical Rat wrote: I mean, I was paying attention, having read the setup I knew Gimli'd been Incognito'd, my point is more why would you have claimed responsibility unprompted like this?This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli, which is only useful if this one istown with him(not that it can know if it IS town with him) as Kira has no need to put it on someone else and Followers have no need to put it on Kira as they probably aren't getting killed in like 2 days. Similarly, Followers wouldn't put it on themselves as they have fake names, same with Detective. This is really more NAI than anything but unless you think this one big brained enough to think about this pre-game then its also simultaneouslymoreso towny.-
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Not exactly decisive proof of evidence but you cannot deny that there was intent to buddy up with Gimli and this isn't some bullshit Follower rebound of "well i was always trying to help out gimli!!! i promise!!! its not my fault this came completely out of left field!!!"-
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and also who cares about claiming incognito it stops being useful in a day-
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The same reason you shouldn't claim as VT in a normal game.In post 467, HighPrincessErinys wrote: and also who cares about claiming incognito it stops being useful in a day-
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No.In post 468, Radical Rat wrote:
The same reason you shouldn't claim as VT in a normal game.In post 467, HighPrincessErinys wrote: and also who cares about claiming incognito it stops being useful in a day-
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These are literally worlds apart. Incognito, technically, does not say anything about my role. Fucking Kira rolled "I Am Not Kira!" last game. Skill claims are alot different from role claims my guy.-
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Skills are literally PRs. Some are more powerful than others, and as such higher or lower priority for kills.
Kira and Followers would ideally want to hit more valuable skills first, just as Mafia in a regular game do. While this game is different in that finding Detective would trump any individual skills, until the Detective is identified, people slipping or claiming skills is going to influence kills.
By claiming Incognito before it was necessary to do so, you've narrowed that pool, just as would happen if you prematurely claimed vanilla in a normal.-
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Some skills are better than others, that's true, but remember that:- We only get 10 skills total.
- Kira knows which ones aren't in play, which means he knows which ARE.
- 3 of those 10 will be on the scumteam.
- And only a handful are particularlyuseful, but there's good odds we're missing several by way of being the outlier 5, or on scum.
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Can you reach deeper into this if you think you can?In post 461, Hu Tao wrote: I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.-
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Skills are alot more volatile and alot less reliable than you think. And also the obvious: If we just make me conftown and this one pops off and etc etc then Kira is forced to acknowledge me and get me killed as opposed to someone else. Smiles so sweetly and innocently.
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