Mini Theme 2328: Death Note: Second Page. Day 3!

[Gimli]

they call me doctor worm

good morning how are you? I'm doctor worm

I'm interesting in things

I'm not a real doctor but I am a real worm I am an actual worm

[Gimli]

I don't know if I know how to play this anymore

[Gimli]

they call me doctor worm

good morning how are you? I'm doctor worm

I'm interesting in things

I'm not a real doctor but I am a real worm I am an actual worm

hiii gimli hiiiiii its time for me to pocket you hiiiiii

seems unlike you to approach me like this

[Gimli]

Gimli I hope you are town so we can catch Kira again

-Black

you're my favorite, black

I hope you're kira it's gonna be much fun having all your heads trying to deceive me

[Gimli]

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

sure it makes perfect sense

VOTE: HPE

[Gimli]

How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.

You should understand hydra dissonance lol

In what universe will this hydra not be dissonant

awkward entrance to the game, mate

[Gimli]

aureal and black/cuddle are towny, black's townread on aureal matches my impressions.

HPE is always hard to grasp but this game it seems to be a bit on edge like nervous?

klick entered the game with a comment I dislike and I tried several times to write out the reasoning but meh maybe later

[Gimli]

How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.

You should understand hydra dissonance lol

In what universe will this hydra not be dissonant

Both of these posts are ? because dissonance has absolutely nothing to do with what Aureal was talking about especially since it'd mostly been Adorable posting with a few comments from Black (none of which were related/referring to Aureal until

after

this post by Aureal).

I'm 100% agreeing with HPE here - aureal post had nothing to do with dissonance

[Gimli]

VOTE: klick

[Gimli]

considering the amount of heat the hydra is getting for being a hydra, it's unlikely that that's kira

[Gimli]

aureal and black/cuddle are towny, black's townread on aureal matches my impressions.

HPE is always hard to grasp but this game it seems to be a bit on edge like nervous?

klick entered the game with a comment I dislike and I tried several times to write out the reasoning but meh maybe later

Could you please elaborate on that reasoning? I don't understand why you dislike Klick's comment, I think he's correctly predicting that there's going to be hydra dissonance with that set of players (yes, I know that's what the next few pages are gonna be about). And that, as he said, he's talking about Drew's post being a non sequitur because there hadn't been hydra dissonance

yet

.

nobody needs to predict a 4 person hydra is gonna have dissonance, so entering the game with that felt awkward like he had to chime into whatever the current conversation was even though it was a pointless one

also about klick, I'm bothered by the fast townreads in a setup that greatly enhances the likelihood players will appear towny, especially kira

[Gimli]

I changed my mind I think klick is town

klick, aureal, cuddle is my townpile

[Gimli]

VOTE: HPE

[Gimli]

considering the amount of heat the hydra is getting for being a hydra, it's unlikely that that's kira

I don't agree with that reasoning at all, but I am starting to get something of a townread on

some

of the heads so I guess they can at least be more nullish for now.

yeah okay

say you're a follower and cuddle is kira, you wouldn't go 'put it to e-1 and I'll hammer cause hydra', right? you wouldn't appeal to that being reasonable in the thread.

and we had hu tao, tbone and... fuck I forgot who else. but regardless that makes the pool of followers in a cuddle!kira world much more strict than every other slot in the game right now

[Gimli]

Wow, that was fast, wanna explain?

You weren't kidding about it being easier to look town in this setup, though. Here I am: Kira, the god of the new world, and several people are already racing to townread me. Maybe Enchant sent out too many follower PMs.

I caught up with the pages and klick's evaluation of HPE feels like he is working out the game plus I agree that a scummy act is way more likely to be a follower than kira

what I'm getting from HPE is something else that makes it just as likely that it is kira

in general though only the followers will be scummy, at first, cause they have extra information and something very dear to protect

[Gimli]

Kira's basically SK, yeah? Why wouldn't they be scummy?

not in any standard way as they are as uninformed as the town is. what I tried last game was figuring out through 'if x is kira, then who are their followers?' and if it makes sense, but of course that kind of stuff only shows itself in time

[Gimli]

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

sure it makes perfect sense

VOTE: HPE

ready to die for the cause sir
VOTE: HPE

Those who scumread hpe, why is this not a soft for gimli as Kira?

if HPE is a follower, then this post has the aim of both letting kira know a potential follower while keeping kira hidden

I take by the casual trolling approach that HPE might as well be a follower, but there's something else here which is how on edge it seems to be from the beginning - the joke itself is result of early pressure

[Gimli]

That post is the main reason I scumread HPE and I think it's a red herring

(googles

red herring

)

[Gimli]

doctor drew trying to convince aureal that she is towny is both cute and +town points for both

[Gimli]

scumpool of (RR, AD, hu tao, HPE, tbone) seems fine for d1

@klick: can you elaborate on AD = kira read?

every other slot in my pool seems to be more inviting as a potential kira flip than HPE, from how I expect kira to play

[Gimli]

I want to remove hu tao from d1 pool and work with (AD, RR, HPE, tbone)

as for HPE: is there any slot defending it? does it have potential followers?

[Gimli]

I want to remove hu tao from d1 pool and work with (AD, RR, HPE, tbone)

as for HPE: is there any slot defending it? does it have potential followers?

Why hu tao?

- A

I enjoyed the flow of hu tao's latter posting with aureal and agree with the town lean on drew, I can see where both stances are coming from

granted it's thin

[Gimli]

scumpool of (RR, AD, hu tao, HPE, tbone) seems fine for d1

@klick: can you elaborate on AD = kira read?

every other slot in my pool seems to be more inviting as a potential kira flip than HPE, from how I expect kira to play

What's made you rule out Klick?

I'm never flipping klick on d1 regardless (no this isn't signaling (neither is this (ad infinitum)))

I feel like his stances are closely aligned with how I feel about players which is good, and his read on HPE has investigative depth that could be harder to think of when scum

[Gimli]

have a pretty busy day so I can't be around rn

I read the game before going to bed which served to strenghten my klick and cuddle townreads, especially the latter's scumcase on me is very towny. I did like RR's push on klick on a townposting level, as it came across as genuine.

HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)

[Gimli]

HPE could easily be kira with aureal and maybe will o'wisp as followers

all aureal did this game wrt HPE was soft defend it

o'wisp had a reads list that puts HPE as the third towniest slot (!)

of course, you wouldn't put your kira as your towniest slot when it hasn't been towny, but you also wouldn't toss it in a POE

[Gimli]

all t-bone did in game was get really loud with the hydra

all mentions to HPE aren't reads but there's a great deal of soft defending it by pushing the hydra really hard

[Gimli]

My thoughts on the red herring signaling thing are like... It's a delicate balance, it's SUPER delicate. Both the Assistant and Followers will want to signal who they are to the Detective and Kira respectively but when scum has to correctly signal to and identify each other to be cohesive, town is going to be on high alert for that, and likewise with Detective/Assistant and scum. This one would like to think it can do better to signal to Kira "hey im a follower!! yahoo!!" than latching onto Gimli, especially if Gimli were my Kira. The main benefit to Kira-Follower identification is both not wasting Kira's time with failed kills, and more importantly: Shinigami Eyes. Last time we condemned a Follower D1 and detective died and we had to scramble to find Kira but in the long haul of a full 5 days, Followers do NOT want to stick their necks out, because it means less chances of successful identification of the Detective, and less time to prove yourself to Kira. If Kira has both Followers figured out and one blurts out "Hey [Player]'s visible name is fake, it's [Name]" then that's gg unless we catch Kira the next day. This isn't actually very relevant to anything right now other than "we should probably look harder for non-surface level signaling" and guys PLEASE ME TRUST ME ITS NOT SIGNALING THIS ONE WAS JUST FUCKING AROUND WITH GIMLI

and also to try and coalesce this unhinged ramble into something tangible: This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli, which is only useful if this one is town with him (not that it can know if it IS town

with

him) as Kira has no need to put it on someone else and Followers have no need to put it on Kira as they probably aren't getting killed in like 2 days. Similarly, Followers wouldn't put it on themselves as they have fake names, same with Detective. This is really more NAI than anything but unless you think this one big brained enough to think about this pre-game then its also simultaneously moreso towny.

okay

can you explain why incognito would be useful if you're town with me? granted I haven't read the setup yet

[Gimli]

have a pretty busy day so I can't be around rn

I read the game before going to bed which served to strenghten my klick and cuddle townreads, especially the latter's scumcase on me is very towny. I did like RR's push on klick on a townposting level, as it came across as genuine.

HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)

Gimliiiiiii

Stop pocketing meeeeee

It's not faaaaaaair!

Must resist pocket!
Can't resist pocket...
UNVOTE:
But what if he's Kira?
VOTE: Gimli
But what if he's not Kira and I am going to mislim him again and feel really bad?
UNVOTE:
But you know you can vote Gimli without limming him, right?
Ugh, fine
VOTE: Gimli
Alright, I will keep this vote until either Gimli posts more towny things or I find a better person to wagon. Or one of my other heads finds a better person to wagon.

Yes, I am aware that this is performative. That's kinda my thing. Doesn't mean it's not a true (albeit somewhat exaggerated) representation of my thoughts.

- Dragon

you're too cute, DE

question for you: if I'm kira, then who are my followers?

[Gimli]

Hi Kira, I am your loyal follower. Please do not kill me at night. Thank you.

[Gimli]

HPE could easily be kira with aureal and maybe will o'wisp as followers

all aureal did this game wrt HPE was soft defend it

I what now? I think I was the first one giving HPE a funny look for the way it voted! The rest of y'all are just following me!

if you mean #82 that wasn't a push, it was inconsequential commentary.

more important than that is, for instance, the way you soft defend HPE in #194, #198, #201, #228, then a pivot to voting actiondan with klick after suspecting his train of thought (!)

then #280, then #383, etc etc

you never come here and say 'I think HPE is towny for this and that reasoning', but you defend it from the many posters scumreading it throughout the entirety of this d1.

[Gimli]

Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?

I never pushed HPE for giving me incognito. where did you get that from?

[Gimli]

Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?

Wouldn't say Gimli pushed me for giving him Incog, he had no way of knowing it was me, but frfrfrfrfr

Well I feel like he, knowing he had been given incognito by someone else rather than it being his own randomly assigned skill, would naturally take your greeting him the way you did as a sign that you likely were the one who gave it to him. Instead he called you nervous.

you're reaching so hard with the HPE defence that you have to argue with HPE about it. I don't know where you got that I'd have to assume I was given incognito. I mean, maybe, if I was really good at picking up signs and if had read the setup with attention. maybe you'd pick it up if you were in my shoes? but also why would I think someone would post pockety to me just because they've given me incognito?

[Gimli]

in other news I also dislike how RR is pushing HPE because revealing incognito isn't a scummy thing

[Gimli]

damn, this one got pocketed while trying to pocket? it kneels to the true pocketeer

here here



thanks for the incognito

who do you think is kira, HPE?

[Gimli]

@aureal I don't wanna go over how much of the setup I knew before posting in game thread

did I think 'someone gave me incognito' at any point before HPE announced that? no I didn't. I saw my name hidden and didn't give it a second thought as to why. *shrug*

[Gimli]

Can we vote ActionDan today
Or like maybe Drew but I feel like the appetite for that is lower but that's also kind of why I want it

okay I sheep

VOTE: actiondan

[Gimli]

I'm also fine with HPE now after re-reading it

me/klick/hpe/aureal/cuddle time townbloc

both followers and kira in rr/hu tao/drew/AD/will

@klick what do you think

[Gimli]

HPE was just being cute with the power it gave me and I mistook that for scummyness, I think

on re-read it seems fine, it reacted well to pressure and the emotions seem sincere

I might change my mind tomorrow but

[Gimli]

I'll try before EOD to work out interactions between the other 5 and see what fits better

I think we can just try to towncore it and flip kira today, which means getting to a agreement on a player that stayed throughout this under the radar and not getting talked to much or entertained as a potential d1 flip

last game STD was kira and had an almost flawless d1 getting very little pushes against him by just coasting and being agreeable

that's the profile we're hitting d1 with the most likelihood of flipping kira

[Gimli]

Using STD's general play style to find Kira seems like a fools game

Wouldn't Kira want to be out there?

STD's kira is an example of the behaviour that I think you're more likely going to see, not because of personality alone but for the social dynamics established with their followers. there are games in which you're going to be more visible because you're being pushed or having strong interactions in thread. kira's followers don't want to deal meaningfully with kira because that's the piece of TMI they want to shield, that pushes the player with the kira role to stay more under the radar. I think klick has been townie and I'm happy to try and build a wagon on the name he picked.

are you townreading AD?

[Gimli]

if you're not townreading AD then you could push that nullread and see what happens

[Gimli]

I'm also fine with HPE now after re-reading it

me/klick/hpe/aureal/cuddle time townbloc

both followers and kira in rr/hu tao/drew/AD/will

@klick what do you think

Wait how am I back in your townbloc?

in general, I am townreading you. my distrust with your posting has to do with how you're acting to and around HPE, and your responses to me, trying to make it seem like you were pushing HPE first when you did no such thing + softdefending it every chance you had, fits a world in which HPE is kira and you're a follower.

I've also been reading into some other stuff that isn't worth mentioning right now.

when I read HPE in isolation yesterday, it's giving me emotional sincerity when in real time I was reading phonyness. so for d1 I'll try to work out a solve that doesn't contain either of you.

do reach out and find me in your heart if you're town

[Gimli]

that's my theory on how to find kira, yes, DE

I think I've been pushed a whole lot this game so I don't know if your feelings about my slot match the material

[Gimli]

I think I've been pushed a whole lot this game so I don't know if your feelings about my slot match the material

Can you quote who pushed you except me and Aureal?

- Dragon

rat, AD, and more recently drew said he wouldn't vote AD because me and klick are pushing it

[Gimli]

Okay bye I have some other things to do so I'll continue posting later

- Dragon

bye bb

[Gimli]

@black where you at?

[Gimli]

guys I'm really sorry

past 2-3 days had been dealing with chronic migraines and now I have SO MUCH to do that I can't read proper but

I saw AD's claim and I believe it. it is surprising though that none of kira's followers CC'ed, which could mean that kira is never in danger this gameday

[Gimli]

VOTE: Gimli

Gut

- Dragon

I'm a townie brownie

[Gimli]

I'll check in later to vote

[Gimli]

I'll check in later to vote

Why?? What is the point of delaying with mere hours left?

brain hurty

[Gimli]

if we're flipping hu tao then who are his followers?

its not in (hpe, aureal, klick) cause they're pushing for it.

it had to be in (rr, cuddle, wisp, freedom) at first. I'll try to see if this checks out but I'm also gonna take my few minutes of healthy non painful brain to go grocery shopping, so idk how much of that I could do.

my wagon is cleaner since the now confirmed town is pushing for it, I am not a power role so I think taking me down is reasonable. when my flip does not end the game though, you should note that klick is clear and you should follow his instincts

anyway I'll try to work something out

[Gimli]

I can engage about my read on Gimli in a bit more depth if that's something people want but I'm annoyed by the inevitable partner accusations that will come with that line

The fact that you aren't engaging the read is exactly what makes you look partnered, lol

Just spit it out

- Dragon

consider this d1 from the perspective of me not being partnered with klick for a second. how does his gameday appear to you, when that particular solve is incorrect?

[Gimli]

Then stop pocketing people and start working with me to solve.

- Dragon

And this is pretty freaking rich from someone who was last seen throwing his hands up in the air in confusion and leaving things to be sorted by others. You suddenly seem desperate to do something other than what's happening.

I... Wha?

This has got to be the wildest accusation I've been accused of this game. Or actually since the start of the year probably.

I did throw my hands in the air BECAUSE no one I was townreading seemed remotely interested in working with me and they all just did their own thing, namely pushing other people I was townreading and providing very little rationale for that and refusing to consolidate etc.

- Dragon

we did consolidate but it turned out to be a PR

[Gimli]

VOTE: wisp

finger crossing

[Gimli]

if we're flipping hu tao then who are his followers?

Hu is not male.

I'm sorry Hu for misgendering, that's my bad

[Gimli]

VOTE: hu tao

[Gimli]

forst

[Gimli]

I would like to entertain the possibility of klick being kira, with HPE as a follower, this gameday.

I think it's quite possible that I got pocketed and owned pretty hard by scum d1

[Gimli]

I still think cuddle time is pretty townie and D1 end of day isn't something that happens with how annoyed dragon was, if dragon was kira or a follower. I take these emotions to just point to town, and am happy to clear the slot for now. the other slots I have no idea

[Gimli]

I still think cuddle time is pretty townie and D1 end of day isn't something that happens with how annoyed dragon was, if dragon was kira or a follower. I take these emotions to just point to town, and am happy to clear the slot for now. the other slots I have no idea

Naw, Dragon's end of day was terrible. I think unlikely to be Kira, but very likely to be a follower.

I'm reading from dragon's emotions and especially his posts to me that he was legitimately annoyed I wasn't contributing much

btw how come theyre more likely follower than kira?

[Gimli]

I wish black was playing (but no shame in letting the game go if you dont feel it I guess)

[Gimli]

I can do klick today because I think there's a good chance the klick/HPE dynamics is one of kira/follower, with HPE transferring its unexplicated townlean on me over to klick and vice versa

it's possible that klick thought I was a follower (am not!)

yesterday's HPE going 'not moving to klick or gimli, let them cook' felt weird to me and I think this could be the explanation

I'll have more time to post properly during the gameday, let's take this slow

everyone except maybe HPE can easily be kira though afaict

[Gimli]

also dragon I know you're eager but considering kira didn't kill the detective you should not talk about who you think it is

[Gimli]

I'd like a more solid opinion on if today should be treated like it's ELo

it should

if no followers are dead, and no follower/kira dies today, next gameday is parity for kira and followers

unless mechanics idk about

[Gimli]

oh right if the detective is still alive tomorrow they can use day skill and save the day

[Gimli]

if we're in the best possible world, then hu tao was a follower

re-reading hu tao for 'spew' would give us a non-kira pool of (me, aureal, wisp, cuddle, and I think hpe to a lesser extent)

so kira pool would be (RR, klick, freedom)

I don't remember much of dr drew anymore but I felt he was towny when he was around and I liked his interactions with aureal. although that doesnt mean much if he is kira cause kira gets to have legitimate townreads

[Gimli]

I think we as a group simply don't have the tech necessary to make proper reads in a game with limited relationships between scum lol

talk to me about how youre reading hpe currently

[Gimli]

also dragon I know you're eager but considering kira didn't kill the detective you should not talk about who you think it is

I'm still pondering how true this is.

It's gonna be hard to better explain my Cuddle scumread without this talk.

if you wanna go ahead go ahead I didn't mean to stop anyone

just pointing at a maybe bad thing because having detective alive on d3 is fundamental

[Gimli]

Every time I've gone back to reeval HPE I've stopped once I got to the part where it starts pushing ActionDan post-claim because it feels like a really weird way to approach the situation as scum of either variety

I don't have a good grasp of how sound that is as logic though

sometimes scum just play bad

not knowing how to react can be one of these things

HPE seems distant and I don't think it put any kira solving content forward this gameday

[Gimli]

HPE, what do you think of radical rat?

[Gimli]

My general approach to scum is to lie as little as possible and push things that I genuinely think would be scummy if I didn't know better.
In multiball, I actually DON'T know better, so when I'm making those arguments, I mean them, just as I do when I'm Town.

A better comparison would probably be HMS Mutiny, where I was Town, convinced I caught scum, pushed hard for it, got ignored, and Town lost. Except in that game I could actually understand why people weren't seeing what I saw, but y'know.

I didn't ignore you

[Gimli]

we could just flip freedom

[Gimli]

No, I'm using it to say you shouldn't be cleared for bad invalid reasons and you're getting super combative over it

Are you actually scumreading Rat? I think they're pretty likely to be town.

I don't townread RR in this interaction. of course if you aggressively pushed town!klick as scum just the other day, he'll remember it some other time you're trying to lim him. RR may not think it's appropriate meta, whatever, but pretending like they can't see klick's point of view is scummy.

[Gimli]

I also think klick is coming off as townie in that interaction but hey thats just me

[Gimli]

we could just flip freedom

lets do it and then freak out when too many people wanna do it

[Gimli]

aureal just seems to genuinely care about the game, which checks out with all the other games we played together and she was town

I think dragon is also pretty townie and matching how he normally plays, although he seems a lot more spazzy in this game (no criticism here just something to note)

so I think those are not kira and not followers

then klick, RR, freedom, wisp, HPE

I like klick whenever he is around and I enjoy how he defends himself, its reminiscent of his towngame. I do however think he could be kira, but I doubt he is a follower.

RR could be anything

freedom could be anything, I think freedom's posting since the player replaced in has been pretty detached

wisp could be anything for the same reasons as freedom

HPE is maybe playing too loose to be kira

[Gimli]

freedom/wisp

one is detective, one is kira

for postgame glory

[Gimli]

freedom/wisp

one is detective, one is kira

for postgame glory

they occupy exactly the same social positions in the game, except when we tried wagoning wisp, it actually caught traction before a defender came along

how many people pushed drew and for what reasons in d1? how many people are talking about freedom d2?

[Gimli]

spazzy

I know you don't intend it in that way but could you please try not to use this word

someone corrected me before about this, and I forgot, and I'm really sorry

excuse this foreigner

[Gimli]

Honestly, Freedom just kinda inherited my Drew Townread.

I can vibe with that after reading drew just now

[Gimli]

Ok I told my hydra pals but I have designated some time on Sunday to read this game and solve it

Kira better watch the fuck out

-Black

throw the playerlist in random.org and believe it enough to make it real

[Gimli]

Gimli tbh I vibe with about half your reads.

What is it about Aureal that makes you think she wouldn't care as scum?
I generally agree with you about Dragon
I'm surprised you don't have more defined opinions on Wisp. I feel like Wisp's approach has been super polarising especially his entrance to today

we worry about wisp if its still alive tomorrow

I have never seen aureal scumming, so I have nothing to stand my leg on other than 'this seems like her town emotions in all her town games'.

[Gimli]

No. You and I are gonna solve this thing just like the first one

-Black

Im so pocketed rn

[Gimli]

was hu tao drew's follower?

the more I read hu tao the more I suspect we might have hit a follower. while I understand that hu tao's personality when playing mafia might play a role in this perception, the following vibe check fits well. she was fine with flipping herself and wasn't resistant, also going with the flow of the threadstate most of the time, not waving the game in any direction (which is just what happens when kira isn't in danger and you're a follower ig).

while that doesn't amount to much, let's check how hu tao approached drew: spoke to him only once, and I'll quote what the interaction was, and had a townread on drew with no progression, that amounted to one liners being stated at different times in the game:

In the last games, I don't remember you acting this way as town. Maybe I need to relook.

You don't remember Aureal being defensive?

Not like this. But I guess in that game she was role-playing as a bird

thats their only interaction I think, from hu tao's part anyway.

I'm thinking Drew is town so far

first one liner post about town drew

This game has so much information packed into 17 pages it's making my head spin. Sorry, I don't have time to detangle it right now.

However, it wouldn't hurt to give an ordered list based on feels.

From town to scum: Cuddle, Klick, Erinys, Gimli, Aureal, Tao, Dan, Rat, Drew.

This seems contradicting. So much information that you don't have time to go through it, yet you're able to give a reads list in order.

pushes back at someone that has drew as the scummiest

Hi Kira, I am your loyal follower. Please do not kill me at night. Thank you.

this is signaling, fwiw.

Drew I think might be town too. Unsure

again with the one liner

Other 2 votes on me. Unsure. I think Drew slot is town based on questions they had earlier but that's a weak read

again with the one liner


so the first thing I should note is that when the player returns to a stance over and over again, without adding anything new to it, that's scummy. it means the player doesn't have enough investigative memory or depth in the game because she is not trying to solve it.

the last one liner defence of drew is awkward, and I think its placed there because hu tao had to make a position that meant she would not self pres on drew if push came to shove. that's the worst part, I imagine, of playing follower, and the one thing your dying follower slot needs to take care of, not to spew kira as kira.

give me feedback on this, people

[Gimli]

What if, purely hypothetically, it were to be confirmed that Hu Tao wasn't a Follower?

Who would you view as Kira then, Gimli?

you're softing autopsy or check out - the problem being that I can't trust either and it would advance a hu tao/RR/drew solve instead

but let's say you are town and you have a piece of information that clears hu tao, meaning we likely have a game with 2 followers 1 kira

say I keep my townreads (aureal and cuddle) and work with hpe/klick/freedom/wisp

we all know whats up with wisp so we'd turn to a hpe/klick/freedom solve

I think drew can work as a follower to a kira klick, but its unlikely that klick and hpe work with freedom as kira

either way I think the best chance of kira would be in klick, with hpe and freedom as followers

[Gimli]

both of the likely solves have freedom as scum, btw

[Gimli]

tho if drew is klick's follower than there's a massive amount of distancing that I don't know if happens between kira and follower

I'll check it the other way around works

[Gimli]

nah klick and drew are simply unaligned

[Gimli]

nah klick and drew are simply unaligned

unaligned as in not scumming together

they could be both town

[Gimli]

To be clear, I don't actually have a result yet. I'd written off Hu Tao as Town because of the circumstances of their elimination, and was hoping to save it for someone I actually questioned... but your point wrt Drew seems plausible, and I have Check-out rather than autopsy, so waiting is just going to make the results harder to interpret.

I'll get back to you once Enchant gets back to me.

ok I believe this

if check out results come with 2 scum rather than 3 I suggest we flip freedom

otherwise I might have to reconsider my townreads

[Gimli]

To be honest Gimli, I don't feel very much about your Hu-Drew connection. It feels... plausible? But it doesn't feel that powerful.

yeah well, what's your solve?

[Gimli]

all aboard the rat town wagon

[Gimli]

My current solve isn't confident or convincing and I feel like advocating for it would just make whoever I'm correct about start turning against me and get me eliminated today, which is less than ideal

I think Freedom is a good shout for Kira

this gave me a smile

[Gimli]

but klick I would prefer if you tried saying it anyway

[Gimli]

6v2

[Gimli]

having a single piece of information feels like the most liberating thing

this game is asfixiating

[Gimli]

Alright, no need to delay further.

Either Kira got really (un)lucky in guessing Dan's name, or Hu Tao was a Follower. We're in 6:2.

I'll be looking through Hu Tao's ISO tonight to see if anyone else looks more likely to be their Kira, but it looks like I'll probably be owing Klick an apology

bless

[Gimli]

hello

hello gob

I think your slot is doomed but am keeping an open mind and here to chat

[Gimli]

wow aureal fooled me pretty hard

[Gimli]

I quick skimmed aureal and I think this clears HPE (god bless you HPE for always looking like scum in all games)
it clears cuddles as well

I'd say that both kira followers voting me at different times on d1 clears me, but I'll let the other players come to that conclusion themselves, just something to note ig

[Gimli]

nah actually

aureal's vote/unvote on HPE was really close together and doesn't mean HPE can't be kira

I'm sorry for spamming so much badness

[Gimli]

I do think gob ends the game here but I have a maybe better idea

we can flip aureal this gameday and check the veracity of RR's claim. if RR has lied for some reason, then killing aureal will not give us the announcement that both followers are dead. we'll know for certain RR is either a follower and kira, and we kill them next.

just putting this out there to see if people think its better than just going after kira today

[Gimli]

I quick skimmed aureal and I think this clears HPE (god bless you HPE for always looking like scum in all games)
it clears cuddles as well

I'd say that both kira followers voting me at different times on d1 clears me, but I'll let the other players come to that conclusion themselves, just something to note ig

Hold your horses, we don't know if Hu Tao was a follower. Radical Rat is my prime suspect, so they could be lying about Check Out result.

Specially since Kira knows which skills are not in play!

check my last post, what do you think? we flip aureal to check RR?

[Gimli]

I confused

there's no way to check RR's claim then

[Gimli]

im just gonna

VOTE: gop

and claim the spoils for solving this first

[Gimli]

christ

[Gimli]

I'm upset

you didn't have to do this

good night all

[Gimli]

hey guys

I've been reading this game, a lot, during the night phase

I have two working theories atm. the first one is that hu tao was indeed a follower, rat was town and telling the truth about their skill and everything points to gob as kira.

my second working theory is that rat might be a follower, which makes hu tao town. more importantly,

if rat was a follower then gob is clear

and if the followers are aureal and radical rat, then the most likely kira, from everything I read, is HPE.

I'll fix me some coffee and post brb

[Gimli]

Well, I wasn't lying.

Just get Gob tomorrow please?

I'll note that RR's progression on gob during day 2 is not very natural looking.

here's what I think could've happened: I post bad solution; follower RR wants my bad solution to be pushed through, so he lies about skill results. the 'just get gob tomorrow please' could be a townie who just became convinced gob is the solution, but could easily be a follower pushing a narrative that wins the game.

[Gimli]

I think the following vote/unvote from aureal could be telling:

Okay I'm heading to sleep, gonna sheep whoever out of Klick/HPE/Gimli/Aureal nakes the most sensible posts between now and when I wake up. Yes I do realize I've literally voted everyone on this list but nobody else is even making sense to me.

Anyways, goodnighto.

Oh also I will sheep Black if she remembers this game exists.

- Dragon

If I give a melancholy honk does that count as a sensible post?

Seriously, I've looked a bit more into him and I feel like Dan is probably on the level. I can't really get into his head even so though, so it's hard to know what to do here.

In the moment, I feel worst about HPE's reactions here. I don't get calling Dan obvscum at all, and HPE seems to be paying plenty of attention to the setup so I feel like it should know there's nothing particularly obvious about the truth if someone claims like Dan did. There's no certainty, but without a counter-claim I think we're in the world where we need to take it at face value. But then I also worry about

why

there's been no counter. Are all the scum tied so obviously together they don't dare counter? Or are they so confident in the gamestate that they don't need to take an unnecessary risk?

Meh, VOTE: HPE I guess.

btw this one is pretty sure AD only had 3 votes on him by this point

Y'know what, I went back a bit to look closer at the outburst from HPE and saw this and it's... actually correct. I did feel like Dan claimed sliiiightly prematurely at four votes but three is... yeah, I can see why HPE is upset and suspicious.

ugh, this game

UNVOTE:

the point is, aureal spent the entirety of d1 soft defending HPE. I definitely did think at some point during d1 that aureal was the follower to HPE's kira, but I don't remember if I told this in thread before or after this vote/unvote.

I should note that the unvote itself doesn't feel very natural,. was aureal trying to push her own kira, so it doesn't look like she is a follower? why would a follower unvote there, with only a few hours apart and with no posts in between? did she vote her kira and got scared?

the reasoning behind her vote on HPE - its reactions to dan's claim - look, to me, like maybe aureal is TMIing a bit by noticing that HPE is not behaving normally about dan's claim, and that's too loud for her not to make a stance on it.

[Gimli]

I have read the vote counts.

I have my reads in order. Ready to rock.

This setup makes stuff really different but i can adapt it.

Anyway ill see what will o says and if it agrees with what i want to do then cool

so youre waiting for the detective, who is dead, to post your reads?

[Gimli]

not sure if noteworthy but I noted it anyway: kira flavoured the kill on n1 but didn't flavour the kill on n2.

different kira?

[Gimli]

thanks black

all the links to posts are bad though for some reason, it says im not authorized to view the forum

[Gimli]

Gob's primary concern atm is expressing ignorance of the game state

I do vibe with this

[Gimli]

Klick seems to be town to me. Which means it must be Hu Tao.

Am i understanding this logic right?

there's 6 players left

me
you
klick
cuddle time
aureal
HPE

the scum team was originally composed of three players. two of them were 'followers', who dont know each other but have to protect the kira. the other one is the kira. aureal is known to be one of the followers.

the other follower was either hu tao, who was the d1 elimination, or radical rat, who was the d2 elimination. based off that information, we're trying to figure out who's the most likely among us to be kira.

the pool of possible kiras are

me
you
klick
HPE

right? its one of the four.

[Gimli]

VOTE: HPE

I'd like opinions on this post forward, on how Aureal and Hu Tao interacted in regards to the HPE wagon and what it could indicate for HPE!Kira

I don't have time to explore it fully right now but I'm skimming it before my work meeting

there's a post hu tao makes about HPE which goes like

'to those of you that scumread HPE, how is this not signaling to kira?' pointing to that 'ready to die for the cause, sir' it wrote to me at daystart.

I don't know if follower writes that

[Gimli]

although she was trying to say im kira and HPE is follower there, which could mean she is trying to reverse the HPE wagon onto me

yeah okay

[Gimli]

so once we catch kira its over and we win?

I actully think i can hit that here today. And also prove it to (some of) you.

yes

if we don't we lose, btw

[Gimli]

could it actually just be std again? god that would be funny. But moreover its weird to me that Gimli excluded the hydra entirely without really talking about it.

oh my god HPE

[Gimli]

im never voting klick this game, btw

not with the two of you playing like absolute potatoes

[Gimli]

ARGH AUREAL DASKOHFA38D

[Gimli]

im going to have a conniption

ok I almost shouted at you (as in I almost used caps lock)

cuddle is clear because aureal visited it, as a follower it has no reason to visit their kira

[Gimli]

im going to have a conniption

ok I almost shouted at you (as in I almost used caps lock)

cuddle is clear because aureal visited it, as a follower it has no reason to visit their kira

this one forgor

its okay

[Gimli]

The odds that Kira rolls that skill in back to back games seems ridiculously low but we can't really use this to clear gob since it's still possible

-Black

gambler's fallacy tho

[Gimli]

Black is such a hater dude SHEESH that or kira follower

I can't be a follower dum dum

-Black

so you are either kira or town?
or conf!town?

Sorry for asking for the spoonfeed. easier for me tho

again: the only living follower is aureal
again: aureal visited cuddle time on n1, she has no reason to that with her kira

[Gimli]

And I'm not hating. I'm just trying to figure out who Kira is. Idk why you're calling me a hater

-Black

you moved the goalpost like crazy when i used my ability, lets keep it real. Anyone else would’ve been cleared from that.

Youve been gunning for me since I repped in. How about you let me play for a bit without the need to defend myself about a game i, unfortunately, do not have a great grasp on all the intricacies, but i am fairly confident in the reads i do have.

are you trolling?

I read everything you post since you repped in as feigning ignorance

there is no way you didn't realise by now the 'im not kira' ability does not make anyone not kira

all you had to do was read what your ability does

[Gimli]

I think its Klick, who else thinks its Klick?

Gimil’s frustration at me seems more towny. Let me know if Gimil is common at faking emotions tho.


Who else has used the Not-Kira shout ability?
I think Kira probably doesnt have the not-kira ability, and the followers do. So the followers have to hide Kira with their own bodies/lims in the PoE.

That is my speculation.

abilities are random, they are all NAI

I have the skill nothing. unfortunately, it does nothing.

[Gimli]

I think its just gob

[Gimli]

I think its just gob

What prompted this thought? Like were you reading over my post, gob's ISO, other stuff, what

-Black

the only reason I have for suspecting this could be wrong is I'm not convinced RR wasn't scum lying last gameday

especially the 'just get gob next' phrase feels weird because he wasn't even really pushing the slot before, I was the one doing that

but if the followers are aureal and hu tao, then its just gob. it was a pure LHF slot that none of kira's followers went after. and d2 before aureal was outed she was doing everything not to go there.

I am also more convinced that HPE is town after reading your post about it and seeing how HPE is interacting in the game in real time.

[Gimli]

two votes on gob and a very quiet aureal

[Gimli]

I'm anxious about HPE's progression from 'flipping gob ends the day' to voting it lol

[Gimli]

at the end of the day, though, how can I face RR postgame if we flip anywhere else and lose instead

[Gimli]

I'm anxious about HPE's progression from 'flipping gob ends the day' to voting it lol

I meant from 'flipping gob is how we lose the game'

I just woke up sorry

[Gimli]

I'm reading back when drew was townreading aureal and she was fighting his own townread off of him

on d1 that looked both cute and towny, but why would follower!aureal care so much about a wrong townread on her that comes from elsewhere, unless its her kira? I think the best explanation is that she was trying to remain distant from her kira and not townbloc with him in thread for the scary associations

[Gimli]

People should definitely listen to everything that I say, I might actually say something incriminating after all!

I'm literally going over your d3 posts to try to find something

so far all you did was spew black town

[Gimli]

two votes on gob and a very quiet aureal

I don't like this actually. Do you really think Aureal's silence implicates gob as scum?

it was descriptive of threadstate more than anything but I wonder if with two votes going the wrong way aureal might start to lurk for a hammer instead of posting

(I had just woken up)

[Gimli]

aureal is a lot of fun

[Gimli]

Oh never mind, you're not actually paying attention to me after all, I already told you I'm not getting baited into any alignment-spewing hammers.

thats in your mind, yes?

you think one of us has calling for time?

[Gimli]

what happens if I vote

if aureal doesnt vote, and gob is kira, then we know gob is kira and we flip gob
if aureal votes and we get time out, then we know gob is not kira so we flip elsewhere
she could however hammer kira gob, with that logic, to play her only out which is one of us having time out

stupid wifom

[Gimli]

aureal is a lot of fun

Oh never mind, you're not actually paying attention to me after all, I already told you I'm not getting baited into any alignment-spewing hammers.

thats in your mind, yes?

you think one of us has calling for time?

If Gimli was Kira, I think the second message would have come before the first one

I don't get it

[Gimli]

If you're scum, the reason you brought up Calling For Time in the first place was to get Aureal to avoid putting down a vote for quickhammer

But if you were scum, you wouldn't have wanted to leave the five minutes between your two posts, during which Aureal could have decided you were around and put down a vote

makes sense

I'm trying to figure out why aureal is announcing that she is gonna hesitate and I think I have a good hutch:

the only explanation for 'alignment spewing hammers' is call for time, but why is she saying that now? when we get to three votes and aureal doesn't vote, what will we think? of course we'll think that gob is kira. so her precipitation in explaining that - a player who is by all means and purposes in antispew - points to gob being kira.

[Gimli]

Because it's not like I could forsee that people would argue that if I waited until someone was getting voted, and thus pointed out that I wasn't taking that risk right at the start of the day or anything.

right, I didn't remember that post anymore

still, idk. why reinforce it

[Gimli]

its just gob

if its not im really sorry gotta put my head in other things tho

VOTE: gob

[Gimli]

nah you're safe

for now

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

ogey

[Gimli]

not surprised that 'tonight' didnt come

VOTE: gob

[Gimli]

wait dudes the game ends after today since the detective is dead, right?

So seriously do not lim me lol

[Gimli]

WAIT night kill analysis actually works here. Let me use that right quick

it doesnt

AD outed himself as PR in the middle of day 1, so his kill doesn't necessarily point to anything. the fact that he died and not wisp when it was pretty clear AD's protection on wisp just meant wisp was detective, at least to me (and to aureal, as her posts in the beginning of d2, frustrated with her own kira, will denounce), might point to a more inexperienced player being kira. or to a slot that's not paying much attention. other than maybe that, there's no way to do NKA because n1 and n2 kills were simply our PRs.

[Gimli]

ActionDan being killed whilst off Hu Tao's wagon does slightly implicate everyone on the Hu Tao wagon (Aureal, Little Will o' Wisp, Klick, HighPrincessErinys, Gob, Gimli) = (Klick/Hpe/Gob/Gimil) for Kira.

Then after that willo dies. So no real info gained.

I do think Radical Rat being on Klick sorta implicates him. So idk. That's obviously a 50/50 but with the odds that might be good enough.

The thing about HPE is that I felt it not wanting to lim, and now wanting to lim me... again it just depends on how you read it.


Gun to my head I am going Klick. VOTE: Klick

Now just because I am voting does not mean I have 'made up my mind' so to speak.


Like, if you are town, and you think i am scum. For a moment consider i am town. Even if you are going to lim me here, at least ask me some kinda question, throw me some kinda bone, like give me a map/guide. Hold my hand a bit. I want to provide whatever you guys need to townread me so we can find Kira together.

I dont understand, how does RR being on klick implicate klick? RR was a townie or a follower and died by detective skill

[Gimli]

if cuddle time was kira, it'd have hammered you already, gob.

[Gimli]

RE: skills and calling for time

aureal is saying she wont do alignment spewing hammers, she is afraid of calling for time and, granted, she said that at the beginning of the phase so reading into her not hammering here isn't proper.

but what else does aureal know? HPE, klick and gob had outed skills. I've claimed Nothing (unfortunately, it does nothing). maybe I'm lying, who knows.

cuddle time and myself are the only players who could still reasonably have calling for time.

but what are the odds of that?

there are 15 skills in total, and 10 in game. only two players can still have calling for time (me and cuddle), being the odds of any ability being with any player about 6.66%. that means there's an almost 90% chance that calling for time isn't even at play here.

if aureal is follower to either klick or HPE, then she is not too comfortable with the gamestate. all it takes in this scenario, quite frankly, is black or dragon coming here and saying 'gimli I wanna do x or y instead', and the direction of this flip can change.

I'll add to it that aureal, a player who is presumably in antispew, felt the need to reinforce the 'non alignment spewing hammers' line when gob had two votes on him. I think that's telling, I think she spewed gob hard as kira there. I don't see aureal saying that if gob isnt her kira because she wouldn't have to - we'd just assume the wrong thing cause she didn't hammer.

anyway those are my 2c I'm sorry for the morning rambling.

[Gimli]

I will take a potato chip

AND I WILL EAT IT

[Gimli]

Honestly I'm not sure who I'm trying to convince since you are all voting for gob but yeah, I think Aureal hammers a non-Kira gob here

-Black

Well see, gob is my friend. He said so, remember?

However my consultation of the setup seems to indicate that it's okay to get rid of all you Kiras one at a time, so you've convinced me.

VOTE: gob

calling for time wasn't in the game btw lol

was trying to tell you without spewing

[Gimli]

who wants to play midscummer with me?

[Gimli]

You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Kira, not join them! Bring balance to the Taskforce, not leave it in darkness!

(((((((

I wanted to be town too

all props to my followers aureal and... I think it was rat!

[Gimli]

yea really love getting ignored when its super obvious im not scum

it was painful knowing you were town btw

you never wanna dunk on such a cute jigglypuff

[Gimli]

Oh did I say we were in 6:2? Silly me, what a careless mistake!

you are a god

[Gimli]

wisp's instincts were amazing btw it just went the other way around

AD's d1 was extremely annoying and

IDK we got really lucky, everyone played super well

also why I killed AD: he used clingy on me! so not only did I know he was assistant 100% so I didn't need to waste assassination that night, but also I'd be outed by keeping him alive. when I realised I'd be 100% condemned, I thought it was better to use death note on AD and let wisp play d2.

[Gimli]

thanks for modding enchant youre the best

[Gimli]

Also I wanna be mad at Klick for not helping me wagon Gimli but I can't blame him when Gimli is so damn good at pocketing.

bruh <3

[Gimli]

from mod PT: biancospino noticed my heavy kira slip when I was talking about 'mod announcement' if both kira followers are dead

I guess it was so blatant and weird no one else did

[Gimli]

from mod PT: biancospino noticed my heavy kira slip when I was talking about 'mod announcement' if both kira followers are dead

I guess it was so blatant and weird no one else did

Explain?

I do think gob ends the game here but I have a maybe better idea

we can flip aureal this gameday and check the veracity of RR's claim. if RR has lied for some reason, then killing aureal will not give us the announcement that both followers are dead. we'll know for certain RR is either a follower and kira, and we kill them next.

just putting this out there to see if people think its better than just going after kira today

I mean yes you do get a mod announcement IF YOURE KIRA lol