Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

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how am i going to play this game without vomiting every time i look at the screen

VOTE: Clownpiece

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we love that for you

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VOTE: Tenshi Hinanawi

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i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin

i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything

i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages

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i'm bored and can't fall back asleep, someone come hang out with me

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it's a gut thing, nothing specific. i think my lack of flavor knowledge is contributing to my dislike of that post more than anything

and i never trust anyone who looks like they're having fun when playing mafia

what do you think of Yenshi?

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What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

i feel the opposite

what makes you think that claim comes from scum?

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i like Sanae for her interaction with Tenshi and think scum in Sanae's position would dig their feet in a little more or longer instead of immediately backpedaling after Tenshi's explanation and allowing that wagon to lose steam

actually i have been mindmelding with Sanae A LOT for it being so early in the game and that is encouraging

fwiw i like Tenshi's explanation and my suspicion has been neutralized there

VOTE: Daiyousei this is probably just scum tho

and i don't think it's because i'm not vibing with the roleplay (i don't want to discourage the roleplay btw, do what is fun for you! i am just bitter about not knowing the flavor and being left out of the joke )

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@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?

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i am realizing now how incredibly difficult this game is going to be without flavor knowledge

i am mixing up similar avatars AND similar names already

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and yes i went back on my promise to leave Daiyousei alone for ten pages

to keep you all on your toes

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@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?

my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginning

can you explain why?

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Koishi Komeiji occupies the same spot in my mind as Daiyousei btw

one-off questions and comments that don't seem to lead anywhere

not atrocious this early on but worthy of wagoning for sure!

PEDIT: speak of the devil!

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@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?

my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginning

can you explain why?

i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game

i mean i would argue that at the time of Clownpiece's entrance they were the first one to actually do something ~spicy and give people in the game something to talk about (outside of the miller claim, in which the majority of the discussion came later)

that may be an overly generous interpretation of their early posts and i'm nowhere near married to that townread but based on that i am struggling to buy that this was your initial reason for voting when i viewed it in the exact opposite way

i've disagreed with a lot of your takes so far so while i will respect you keeping the reasons vague for now i'm hoping you'll be able to fully elaborate at some point so i can actually parse if there's something more to that or if it's merely a playstyle difference

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And have some sort of scum leanings on
Koishi
Kagerou

can you go into more detail on each of these?

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other than Kagerou i am falling into my usual trap of townreading all the active players

it doesn't make it any easier that they're all buddying me

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Meeeeep

I continue to townread both Kagerou-Chan and Kochiya-Sama. And they are getting townier by the moment with their townreads on Larva-San. And yet it seems like they keep scumreading each other, and all I can do is yell meeeep and hope they start working together so we can vote the scumsters soon.

this is a good post

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@Ichirin please see my flawless and sheep-worthy case on Daiyousei below

Koishi Komeiji occupies the same spot in my mind as Daiyousei btw

one-off questions and comments that don't seem to lead anywhere

not atrocious this early on but worthy of wagoning for sure!

PEDIT: speak of the devil!

yes this was directed towards Koishi but it can be inferred that i feel similarly about Daiyousei

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i did not like Dai's first couple posts on a gut level, which i initially wrote off because they leaned into the roleplay that i barely understood

as the game progressed, Dai was sitting in the sweet spot of active lurker that i'd expect scum to occupy, hence my vote

the amount of words i devoted to this read has already eclipsed the level of confidence i have in it, it's really not that deep

PEDIT: oh the "just scum" is what bothers you

i like to be overdramatic to apply pressure sometimes

i can confirm that i am not locked into a Dai scum read based on her six posts

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eh i'm not really feeling the Ichirin votes

the below post reads as a genuine town reaction to the sudden burst of votes

Oh. I look away for a few minutes and by the time I post again there's 3 people on me.

and while i can see where Ichirin could be perceived as nitpicking at my unexplained read i don't think it was such an outrageous thing to point out. the amount of criticism sie's receiving for it feels incongruent and unwarranted

Koishi's questions from the last page (266 and 270) are contributing to the pile on and egging on the criticism without looking like a genuine attempt to ascertain Ichirin's alignment

and Yuuka specifically felt like she entered into that engagement deliberately looking for a fight by calling Ichrin's posts bad multiple times for reasons i cannot gather from reading the last couple pages

it feels icky in multiple places

VOTE: Koishi Komeiji

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i should go back and remember why i was townreading Yuuka outside the initial miller claim

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of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin

and deserves more votes for their transgressions

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of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin

and deserves more votes for their transgressions

i want to walk this back a bit and clarify that i don't necessarily think that all three are scummy for the push, i actually liked Clown's posts during that exchange.

i do think that Ichirin's catchup posts were fine and hir reaction to the naked votes and subsequent pressure seems genuine, which is why i felt the need to jump to hir defense when it felt like people were piling on and Koishi specifically was sniping from the side with no visible effort to actually sort hir.

but i admit that Ichirin's early posts are weaker than i remembered and can understand Yuuka's passion more when revisiting Ichirin's ISO.

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why would you be ok with dying if Larva explains what she was doing

Koishi can you explain what you were looking for with this question?

like, what would distinguish a town response from a scum response and how did that inform your read?

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ok

i feel a lot of the weirdness in the response to the pressure can be written off as frustration at being run up for reasons that sie doesn't understand, and i explained previously why i'm more inclined to believe that reaction was more likely to come from town than scum

your point about TMI is interesting though and not something i caught initially

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of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin

and deserves more votes for their transgressions

Go a little deeper on this because I think from koichi and ichirins interactions, koichi has a clear mindset behind their posting and it tracks pretty well.

my kneejerk reaction was that Koishi was subtly adding to the pressure on Ichirin while remaining under with the radar with their patented "ask questions that don't really matter to look like i'm contributing" strategy, while Yuuka and Clown were doing all the heavy lifting with that exchange, later avoiding accountability in the event Ichirin is ultimately mis-eliminated

but i do feel a bit better with Koishi's explanation and can buy that perspective

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Reisen can you elaborate on your 'ew' pile? Our reads seem to align in that regard but i want to know why you feel that way

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i feel a lot of the weirdness in the response to the pressure can be written off as frustration at being run up for reasons that sie doesn't understand

ok and what differentiates that from scum frustration that they are being run up when they think they did nothing wrong?

i think it would be safer for scum to opt for an appeasing approach in that situation instead of antagonize everyone voting hir and characterize the pressure as an "assault", lol

whereas i buy that frustration from town who is in the midst of a catchup and receives three votes out of nowhere, i can see how that would be demoralizing after returning to the game after being absent for a large chunk of it

sure, it's not impossible to be scum fabricating that reaction to seem town, but it's pretty aggressive for potential scum who has practically zero footing in the game

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i think i have exhausted this topic

VOTE: Daiyousei

back here i go!

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i guess i'd join a Kagerou wagon too but i think that read deserves more thought and reevaluation than i am currently capable of

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my recent interaction with Koishi was encouraging but not necessarily absolving of previous scummy behavior, i'm at a 'wait-and-see' with them for now

what happened to your Clownpiece read?

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^ that was in response to Reisen

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i will be fairly inactive through Monday, other than a few opportunities to post here and there

i plan to reread the game upon my return because i am concerned i have too many townreads and the people i've been not-town reading keep saying things that make me doubt myself which is annoying

i am feeling good about Clownpiece, Sanae, and Marisa for town, in that order

Ichirin is also close to this tier but not quite to the level of the three listed above, for the townie reaction to their wagon that Koishi is still desperately trying to get me to concede could come from scum

i am leaning town on Yuuka still but to be fair this read probably deserves more in depth reevaluation

Tenshi had a solid and imo townie defense to some pressure earlier but has done next to nothing since, so gun-to-head town but i will need more from her to cement that one way or another

Kaguya, Reisen, and Aya are slots i feel nothing about and will be one of my focuses upon reread. i will say i had even had some townpings from Reisen and Aya but nothing strong enough in either direction to make me commit

Dai and Koishi continue to mirror each other when it comes to how i feel about them, as indicated preivously, their early questions and one-off posts came across as surface level and a way to look engaged with the game without contributing anything. however Koishi has dulled that suspicion a bit with our interaction about Ichirin (even though i am growing irritated with being asked the same question in different ways over and over again >_<).

on a similar note i thought Dai's most recent post was great and conveyed the thoughts i found difficult to articulate about Kagerou. basically Koishi and Dai's body of work overall leans scum, but there have been a couple glimmers of towny-ness that shake my confidence

My only fairly solid scum read at this point is Kagerou and even that's pretty...loose? there are some posts that made me feel good on a tone level but i agree with Dai about the bulk of the ISO is pretty fluffy and i see Kagerou has over fifty posts but their actual impact this game does not at all correlate with what i expect based on their high level of activity

from what i can tell there also hasn't been much in terms of reads outside of the Clownpiece scum read (i now see the reads list provided with some interesting takes that i will look into more when i return) which she pretty much refused to elaborate on, and the reasoning she did provide also never sat well with me to begin with and came from the first page. it's difficult for me to buy that into the fact that her opinion on Clownpiece has not changed or evolved since the beginning of the game, especially since Clownpiece is my largest town read, which leads me to believe she is just holding onto it because she needs a strong opinion that goes against the grain

those are all my thoughts for now, please feel free to poke at or ask questions about anything. i am thinking this will be a game where i focus on identifying and locking in town reads and just pushing to eliminate within 'what's left'

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

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@Kagerou i know you said reading the thread is difficult right now but i am most interested in your detailed reads on Clownpiece and Sanae when you get around to it

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i think it would be safer for scum to opt for an appeasing approach in that situation instead of antagonize everyone voting hir and characterize the pressure as an "assault", lol

whereas i buy that frustration from town who is in the midst of a catchup and receives three votes out of nowhere, i can see how that would be demoralizing after returning to the game after being absent for a large chunk of it

sure, it's not impossible to be scum fabricating that reaction to seem town, but it's pretty aggressive for potential scum who has practically zero footing in the game

I'm not saying Ichi is mafia faking frustration, my point was how do you differentiate between scum frustration and town frustration?

For example if Ichi is mafia and Ichi doesn't think she did anything wrong but got hit with three quick votes, Ichi!scum could also feel frustrated about how unfair it is.

I'm asking why do you think this frustration is indicative of town frustration rather than just general frustration with the game state?

the difference is that frustrated scum has incentive to control themselves and temper their reaction in that situation, frustrated town does not (or at least, has LESS incentive to do so). scum are concerned about survival and antagonizing your wagoners is one of the worst ways to get them off your back, so i guess the way she channeled her frustration does not really align with the mindset i'd expect scum to have. i would still expect genuinely frustrated scum to manipulate the situation in their favor, and i do not sense any sort of manipulation or utilization of that frustration to gain an upper hand in this case

yes, scum frustration exists. it is not impossible that Ichi's frustration comes from scum. what i am trying to convey is that i am leaning town on her reaction based on on the things i've pointed out previously

i don't really know what more you want on this point, i feel like we're going in circles and i'm explaining the same thing in different ways over and over again

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hi everyone I’m a little drunkies have we caught any scum?!?

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welcome! maybe you can town up your slot if you’re actually town because i was struggling with Koishi 1.0

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i kinda think Aya is town

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that question is too profound for me to answer in my current state

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rude

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I do think you're p townie and you want to be "right" on this point.

i do not like this post from old Koishi

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Clownpiece, Clownpiece, a moment of your goofy time, if you could! What would you say is the driving force behind this wagon?

Her content has been so far limited to setup spec and her opinion on the mod color.

A dastardly deed indeed! Though, this intrepid reporter has a follow up, if you have the time.

Does scum tend to make themselves this unlikeable and overt in an anonymous game?

This field reporter is doubtful!

@Aya for some reason this post really rubbed me the wrong way, particularly the bolded. I can see you writing this as partners with Ichirin

still reading up but can you explain why you’d characterize this as Aya defending her scum partner vs. any other alignment combination?

i agree that the bolded is bothersome but associating Ichirin with Aya for this post feels shoehorned and out of nowhere

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i want Aya to redirect her energy into engaging outside of the Sanae/Yuuka/Clownpiece back-and-forth as that entire interaction was pretty much a wash in terms of actually generating a read on her.

there was some mindmeld with her stance on Ichirin's reaction to the sudden wagon and even moreso with her pointing out Sanae's progression on the Aya/Ichirin associations, as that is something that also stood out to me as odd. but even after reading her explanation like three times, the T/S designation of Sanae and Yuuka still does not land with me and if there was any line of thought she's showcased that looks like she's trying to capitalize or look town off the "drama" of her recent interactions, it's this one. almost like she's expected to have an opinion on the people she's engaging so she threw that out there to keep up the appearance that she's generating reads/opinions on the people interacting with her

but i am fairly certain i know who Aya's main is and struggling to contribute meaningfully is not at all how i would characterize her scum game. it is probably silly (and also against the spirit of the game) to base a read off of this assumption so i will likely ignore it moving forward

all of these words amount to a very noncommittal "let her talk about other stuff to make her more readable"

@Aya i am most interested to know who your ideal elimination for today would be and why

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Reisen is a slot that has been weirdly written off for reasons i have yet to identify and they are the only player in this whole game that hasn't had one post that made me think "this comes from town"

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i am feeling a little less engaged with this game right now mostly because i'm struggling to reconcile my desire town-bloc to and PoE scum BECAUSE of my large amount of townreads with acknowledging the fact that i need to raise my standards when it comes to assigning townreads in the first place

maybe that's day 2 Larva's problem

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VOTE: Reisen Udongein Inaba

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i am still not townreading Kagerou, but my hang up echoes the sentiments shared by several others that i don't see why they'd be so purposefully difficult/contrary as scum here

i sense that Kagerou has the charisma and ability to be more agreeable in a natural way as scum and have avoided placing themselves in the limelight so early. i'm not sensing any attempt at utilizing these skills to manipulate or gain an upper hand in this situation. i am also getting townpings from their posts referencing being happy with their contributions to the gamestate in response myself and others going after their fluffy ISO

i think writing this post has me slightly SLIGHTLY leaning town there after all? but slight town leans are basically scum leans this game so not much has changed i guess

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@Kagerou, your largest scum read, Clownpiece, is basically a universal town read at this point. do you find this problematic in any way? is there a reason you're not fighting harder to get people to see what you're seeing?

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I am gonna largely pretend that that last Sanae and Aya exchange does not exist, because engaging with it feels icky, but

I'm saying that if Ichirin was scum she came out and chose violence.

I have seen this voiced a couple times (it may have been Aya both times, but I *think* it was actually someone else the first time, but I have not looked back).

But like... my interpretation of Ichirin's response was the exact opposite. Her response did feel like it was designed to appease her voters, but it just back fired.

She immediately went and found a New and Novel thing to be suspicious of, and double and tripled down on it (to a silly degree imo), when the main accusation was that there was no sign of solving from her, and it felt like she was avoiding questioning her voters - like her goal was just to change our minds.

It was not until Yuuka kept being so aggressive that she started to snap back at one of her voters.

Anyway, focusing on Ichirin I find myself agreeing with the clown. Koichi might have been on to something and I brushed that half of the conversation aside.

But I didn’t like how little interest ichirin showed in pursuing their voters till yuuka bit in. Eternity being a teammate makes sense to me and brings it all in together. I didn’t really see them calling out eternity as alignment indicative in the moment, just a weird way to look at the game. I see the theater potential though.

is your scum read (?) on me entirely due to my defense of Ichirin? if so, what about our interaction looks like scum partners vs. me just genuinely townreading Ichirin? if not, please elaborate on why you are scum reading me

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my fun and unique hot take that i am still not townreading Koishi overall even with 2.0 doing their best to redeem that slot!

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Ooooh that is a pretty hot take
What don't you like about the slot?

many of the things i've mentioned previously still bother me and ring true

and a whole bunch of paranoia

a lot of their interactions with me since replacing in feel like they are trying to endear themselves and do damage control, which skeeves me out as that slot's primary detractor throughout the game. the buddying feels like they came in with the intention of getting me on their good side to alleviate a lot of the pressure on them. maybe i just think too highly of myself and my influence on this game

for example, lumping me in with the list of high activity posters when my post count was pretty middle of the road at the time did not sit well with me. i am fine with an independent town read on me but nothing like that has been substantiated unless i missed it, which leaves me wondering what i did to crack their townbloc in the first place

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i am starting to feel similarly about Marisa which makes me sad and while i do identify with the instinct to town-bloc and PoE scum in a game like this it's hard for me to understand her mindset on the five slots she wants in the pool for elimination. they seem a little arbitrary and safe to me, and her position on many of them have not really evolved, when my mind is constantly changing on most of the playerlist every time i read a new post

and she is one of the ones that has written Reisen off for ambiguous reasons which has earned her some side-eye

i like that Kaguya directed some attention her way actually, i think that'd be a weird vote for scum to make as there was practically no voiced suspicion of Marisa at the time

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Good post if you're scum Larvae.
Very townie mindset.

My real hope out of the way I've approached this day so far is that somebody would push against the consensus and give reasons to NOT town read me in a super obvtown sort of way and it just paid off magnificently.

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I really only care about the paranoia part, as far as explanations from Larvitar at this point.

What makes me in particular paranoia-worthy?

i felt paranoid at the large amount of town reads i was getting early game but didn't dwell on it because i had town reads on most of the people vocalizing them and no one tried to over explain or justify

you have every motivation to endear yourself to me as scum, so lumping me in with your "high activity town reads" is just a weird justification and aligns with how i'd expect scum in your position to handle me
you specifically greeted me as soon as i entered the thread after you replaced in
you called out a post of mine that was largely inconsequential and made a point to emphasize how it was "the most relatable post"
you've made more than one joke about continuing our back-and-forth to make my blood boil

nothing bad on its own, and honestly you do seem like a fun person to hang out with! but all of it together feels like a pattern and comes across as calculated

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i cannot return the favor

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Koishi i've seen several town reads from you, but do you have any scum reads and if so can you provide some detail on them?

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also Dai while you're here, do you have any non-Kagerou scum reads at this point?

i love your relentless passion on that front but i recently detailed why i'm doubting that scum read a bit, what are your thoughts on that?

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i am starting to feel similarly about Marisa which makes me sad and while i do identify with the instinct to town-bloc and PoE scum in a game like this it's hard for me to understand her mindset on the five slots she wants in the pool for elimination. they seem a little arbitrary and safe to me, and her position on many of them have not really evolved, when my mind is constantly changing on most of the playerlist every time i read a new post

and she is one of the ones that has written Reisen off for ambiguous reasons which has earned her some side-eye

i like that Kaguya directed some attention her way actually, i think that'd be a weird vote for scum to make as there was practically no voiced suspicion of Marisa at the time

@Marisa can you respond to this when you can? some more on your Reisen read and whether there's been any deviation to your elimination pool would be specifically helpful!

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Tenshi is also worthy of the Reisen treatment

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What do you think about voting Daiyousei? It seems you are all very divided. But to win we must unite!

convince me

not against it, but there's probably two or three i'd want eliminated before Daiyousei

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but Tenshi that’s SO much work and opens me up to having to second-guess myself again which is getting to be an exhausting schtick at this point

i’d rather just vaguely shade you and not do anything about it, hoping my phenomenal reputation and influence is intimidating enough for you to town it up if you’re town or crack under the immense pressure of my disapproval if you’re scum

does that work for you?

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@Eternity, the long and short is that I don’t like your interaction with the ichirin scuffle, it came off as intentionally positional, you also have slight partner equity, and I didn’t like your interactions with the previous koichi.

But, new koichi is also playing intentionally positionally. So I can see at least one of you, ichirin, koichi being scum. I’m like 95 percent sure I know who new koichi is and I’m trying to separate the player from the slot but I don’t think that’s going to work for me. So even if I think they are scum there is a slim slim chance they get limmed in the near future.

If they are town I want them on my side, so I’d feel better sorting in you/ichirin first and figuring it out from there.

Also feel like koichi can sniff out who I am off this post but that’s fine I guess.

you mention that you want to sort me and Ichirin first but from what i can recall from your ISO (currently phone posting) you only have mentioned me once to shade and associate me with Ichirin and haven’t interacted with me since

what have you done to sort me? is there any other reason i’m null scum on your reads list outside of my “positioning” around Ichirin or is that the crux of it?

maybe i’m biased but i have a lot of other sortable content that you just haven’t touched so it’s difficult to buy that you are prioritizing sorting me

i do agree with you about Koishi and am a little concerned about the almost universal turn around on that slot by so many players after 2.0 replaced in.

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I maybe should stop acting scummy for the lulz

if you’re town please do

if you’re scum keep it up!

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i initially missed the post where Marisa mentioned she hadn’t read the most recent four hundred posts so her reads not evolving is not really a concern of mine anymore at this juncture

i hope she can deliver some fire content when she returns and catches up!

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Not touching today:
Clownpiece
Sanae
Yuuka
Marisa
Ichirin

Would begrudgingly compromise on but would need to be thoroughly convinced:
Kaguya
Daiyousei

What’s left:
Aya
Reisen
Kagerou
Koishi
Tenshi

hey i have less townreads than i thought

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Tenshi deserves an ISO dive that i don’t have time for right now

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Dai does too actually

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I think I’m relatively satisfied with where my reads are at, so, as long as nobody threatens them
I’m okay.

I think Reisen, Larva, and clown piece are town.

Larvae is strongest TR.
followed by clown.
Followed by Reisen.

can you elaborate a bit on the Reisen TR?

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@Koishi i did misinterpret your post that you quoted above, thank you for clarifying

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In Tenshi’s defense Tenshi has tried to engage people and is stuck drifting along in the white water rapids that is this game. Tenshi is more than willing to answer whatever questions and has shared thoughts on alignment, albeit very little in the way of controversial reads.

i know i am one of the main culprits of this and i apologize

you have a fairly sparse ISO for the amount of posts you have but this does jive with the fact that you've previously expressed having a hard time this game. is this the reason you haven't voted at all? can you go into why you think you're having a hard time establishing reads, mainly scum reads, on people?

also i'm wondering if you're willing to help me with my homework and tell me your thoughts on Dai and Kaguya. those are slots i am mixed on but leaning town overall. this sentiment does not seem to be shared by the masses (particularly with Dai).

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You came back to thread with the realtime rush that I wasn’t active during, so i…guess. I’d rather catch you when I know I’d get some answers to concerns rather than direct something towards you and get brushed off like I did with ichirin.

I don’t have more to suspect your slot than the issues I stated or I’d be casing to kill.

Also what you and I find readable are going to be different…or we would have the same reads.

i was just about to yell at you for not responding to me but i realized i missed it last page

feel free to ask questions/engage me about your concerns. i've been struggling to interact in real time this game because a lot of times i've entered the thread to multiple new pages, i'm hoping to rectify that soon as i should have more free time this week

but please do not wait for some arbitrary time we happen to be active and posting together. i'm looking to see if your 'concerns' about me are genuine and it's hard to feel that way when you say you want to focus on sorting me and then still do pretty much nothing to engage because we have to do it in real time or it will get "brushed off"

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Im reserving my vote for when I feel confident on something, whether it is my POE or a scumread. I’m trying to take more of a voyeur approach this game which is probably part of why I’ve been stuck on my own island, but I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze.

I referenced Dai up there, but I can give Dai and Kaguya a look over when I get home tonight.

if you had to vote for someone right now who would it be and why?

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Clown can you say some words to me about Kaguya?

i really liked her posts about Marisa. there is a lot of merit to the charisma argument that made me reevaluate Marisa myself

it would be a weird choice for scum in Kaguya's position, who is likely seeing the writing on the wall that she is in the PoE pool, to just throw out a Marisa vote and barely even substantiate or push it? i expect calculated scum to target a potential town bloc player to make a splash or go against the grain in a way that will garner town reads on them and help them escape the elimination pool. Kaguya's stance on Marisa does not feel manipulative in that way and does not further an agenda whatsoever, it keeps her more removed from the "in-crowd" and she doesn't really seem to care

in fact a lot of her scum reads seem to center around the consensus town-read players (Yuuka, Sanae, Marisa) which is a strange strategy as scum when it's likely these players will be influential in deciding the ultimate elimination today

i guess she is also scum reading Reisen who would fit the bill as a viable elimination alternative to herself but i have a soft spot for other players scum-reading Reisen...

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Kaguya what is your read on Clownpiece currently?

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i'm around if anyone wants to chat. fair warning: i am inebriated

kinda demotivated tho. i either have a solid scum read that none of my town reads agree on, or i feel like i am onto someone and that person does something incredibly townie that makes me second guess myself

i would like one of my town reads to present a flawless case for me to sheep, thanks in advance

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VOTE: Kagerou

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it's happened with Tenshi, Dai, Koishi 1.0, probably others i can't remember

i've doubted myself about Kagerou

even Reisen i am feeling a bit better about even tho she is still in my PoE pool

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it's leading me to believe that there are scum in my town reads after all but i am not in a headspace to do the work and figure out who today

probably going to throw out all of my townreads other than like Clownpiece

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i have not read the last like eight or so pages thoroughly

i didn't even know people wanted to vote you

this news is lifting my spirits!

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it wasn't but i did vote you so your feelings are valid

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I agree with Sanae about that Kaguya post feeling very town. There are a few posts from Kaguya where I feel the good feelings. (86, 87 would feel weird to come from scum, and looks like actually trying to see my POV? I also like the string of posts starting at 339, it feels organic? The one asterisk is the townread on Aya could maybe be scum whiteknighting but I don't think it's likely. 408 should be all the evidence I actually need.

In all honesty I'm like halfway through this ISO and I'm kinda surprised they have not garnered more townreads? I have been able to reference most of their posts as pretty freaking town.

this post makes me feel good

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hmmmm i am really disliking Ichirin's posts on this page but i part of me wants to ignore that in favor of wagoning one of my long standing scum (?) reads

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Kagerou can you explain why you feel this is scum Ichirin trying to push through your elimination vs. town Ichirin who feels confident about a read for the first time and is excited about it?

i am still catching up on the last six-ish pages so if you've done this already feel free to ignore this

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VOTE: Koichi

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i know i just voted Koishi but i do not understand why everyone and their mother took issue with their characterization of Yuuka as "middle-of-the-road"?

what is so horrible about them drawing that conclusion?

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Koishi if you are doing more walls tonight can you do one on your largest scum read?

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Koishi if you are doing more walls tonight can you do one on your largest scum read?

I was going to do walls tonight, but now I am not.

IRL stuff that going into is OGI-y risk, so suffice it to say let's just go with "Extremely bad headspace and honestly I probably shouldn't even be posting here but Mafia is a helluva drug"

that's ok take care of yourself!

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ftr i want to put my vote back on Kagerou but i just dramatically naked-voted Koishi to be spicy and i can't bring myself to immediately retract that

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i am caught up

the only update of note is that Tenshi has really towned it up these past several pages.

i guess Ichirin dropped a bit but immediately redeemed hirself with posts that i liked so sie's still a town read

i really want Aya and Marisa and Reisen to do more things before the Day is over

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ftr i want to put my vote back on Kagerou but i just dramatically naked-voted Koishi to be spicy and i can't bring myself to immediately retract that

I am genuinely glad you did, the data generated is extremely useful for the future.

you have piqued my curiosity?

what kind of data did it generate, and on who?

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ftr i want to put my vote back on Kagerou but i just dramatically naked-voted Koishi to be spicy and i can't bring myself to immediately retract that

I am genuinely glad you did, the data generated is extremely useful for the future.

you have piqued my curiosity?

what kind of data did it generate, and on who?

Well for one, that it took Yuuka until you actively hinted you were ready to vote me, to vote me.

if i'm being honest, my path to get there took me from reading that Sanae was scum reading you a couple pages ago in my catchup, seeing that Yuuka had just voted you in real time, and noticing that Sanae was around and posting, so i did it because it seemed like a perfect opportunity to make you a viable elimination again!

although it failed because Sanae didn't bite which i'm confused about!

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talk to me about them!

i've seen you pretty consistently scum reading him the last several pages, to the point of saying you were worried about tunneling him, what is giving you pause?

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and full transparency, last page was the first time i've genuinely considered i'm wrong about Koishi 2.0

the carousel never stops turning!

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Clownpiece how do you feel about Kagerou finally seeming to drop their scum read on you?

And what is your read on them in general?

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I'm not sure I see the lying that you see though

this we can work with!

here is kagerou's tenshi vote

here is the post where kagerou says "i'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you" ("you" being me in this case)

i invite you to go through kagerou's iso, starting from the first linked post and ending with the second linked post, and find anything from them that shows any effort to get people's stances on tenshi

if you can't, then there you go, that's the lying! kagerou claimed to be "more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]" but showed precisely no interest in getting those stances in that time frame

i vibe with this. good work!

can you ISO me, CTRL-F "Reisen" and see if you find anything that feels similar?

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I am not gonna try and save them or anything

cool

VOTE: Kagerou

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my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.

i also never townread their predecessor.

buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.

i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.

before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort

this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads

these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.

I’m fine with either being eliminated

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Aya do you have any non-Kagerou scum reads?

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i really don’t think Ichirin is scum

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Aya do you have any non-Kagerou scum reads?

sorry i can’t read i see them now

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Ichirin's claim itself should be treated as null but i am still staunchly against eliminating that slot

Kagerou's tunnel is incredibly disingenuous here and i'm confused as to how others are not seeing it

their scum read on Ichirin only seems to materialize after Ichirin starts coming for them. they even initially acknowledge that Ichirin's reaction to the pressure early on in the day feels genuine and "extremely towny". it is natural for this to change and evolve, and they do say at one point that they need to reevaluate based on Clownpiece's points, but there's no real mention of Ichirin again for several hundred posts until they start scum reading hir for hir catchup post (which also felt OMGUSy, but this is a minor point)

the Kagerou - Ichirin 1v1 ensues where imo Kagerou does everything in their power to paint Ichirin as scummy and is unwavering throughout the entire interaction. this alarms me when comparing Kagerou's treatment of Clownpiece, the only other player Kagerou has notably scum read during this phase. Kagerou outright refused to explain the Clownpiece early on and only provided some sort of reasoning after i coaxed it out of them. That reasoning did not make sense to me and led me to believe that they only held that read to have a contrary opinion, but they couldn't back it up. Later on, Kagerou does end up casing Clownpiece, but that didn't really go anywhere and Kagerou did practically nothing to get people to see what they were seeing in Clown, who had been a universal townread up to that point.

with Ichirin, Kagerou has been relentless and the approach does not look like one where Kagerou is genuinely trying to determine Ichirin's alignment, but looks as if they came in with the desired conclusion of scum reading Ichirin, and has stuck with that ever since. where was this energy with their Clown scum read for the first fifty pages of the day? why is Kagerou practically silent and cagey about their scum read on Clown but is more than happy to pile onto Ichirin who has been receiving a lot of pressure throughout the day? it is feels like a targeted attack on the most viable mis-elimination for today and people writing Kagerou off as town for engaging in the 1v1 or something is baffling to me

i urge everyone to go ISO Kagerou to see what i am seeing. Kagerou should really be the elimination today imo

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not sure how to feel about Yuuka's vote to get Ichirin to claim and immediate back off upon Ichirin claiming

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My scumread on Ichirin materializes where sie comes after me because this is the post that makes me think he is scum

can you tell me what specifically in that post convinced you Ichirin was scum? i was not impressed with it either, but for that post to cause such a shift in your playstyle and a completely unwavering tunnel feels opportunistic to me when looking at the rest of your play today.

it is not "surface level scummy". in my opinion your behavior aligns with scum who's part of the PoE elimination pool and doing all they can to deflect onto low hanging fruit in the same position. this, alongside the fact that i've never really held you as a town read at any point, makes me far more confident you are flipping scum here than Ichirin.

but that was a cute way to try and deflect my reasons for suspecting you, try again when i'm not around to debunk them!

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hir excitement about Daiyousei's case on me feels forced and exagerrated (sie even proved sie didn't understeand that well what it was about when phrasing stuff as if i was "caught red handed" This is absolutely not what the case is about) sie didn't make an effort to generate any material that's hirs about me, and this extremely contrasts with the content on other slots, way shorter and not that conclusives, this makes me think it's sincere (or like, as sincere as scum can be) but sie chose to push me as a way to save hirself

i should probably do the responsible thing and go back to see where the wagon/public opinion was on Kagerou at the time Ichirin voted there

i looked back and you're correct in your assessment about Ichirin misinterpretting Dai. however based on Ichirin's body of work this game i can see that sie is particularly gifted at putting hir foot in her mouth so i don't necessarily find hir misinterpreting Dai's reasons to be all that scummy. Sie does sprinkle in reasons independent of Dai's ~case~ for scum reading you throughout your interactions (1351, 1354, 1382) so it's a bit of a misrepresentation that hir case on you relied entirely on Dai's reasoning and that she only sheeped a scum read on you without understanding it.

i can see a world where Ichirin continuing to go after you after being informed of the misunderstanding would bother you and make you want to draw attention to hir. it's your call for the 1v1 that feels performative. i take issue in the shift in your posting style from mostly fluff to eviscerating Ichirin at every opportunity. i acknowledge that town can change in this way when going after someone they're confident is scum, but it feels incongruent with what you've explained about Ichirin's catchup that bothered you

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ok i have to actually start working now

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what else is there about Ichirin that i’m missing?

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I have thoughts about eternity and kagerou's conversation, but it seems prudent to let kagerou answer questions before voicing them.

i’m interested in this

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i want it way more than i want an Ichirin elimination, that's for sure.

my most desired eliminations are Kagerou and Koishi. i would condense on either of them.

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Yuuka you confuse me sometimes

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i really think Ichirin is just a naturally OMGUSy player and that is rubbing some people the wrong way

or they are intentionally painting that as scummy to push hir

i expect Clownpiece fits into the first category and Kagerou the latter

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Townpiece

you ate with this

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I am pretty solidly at the point of believing that we are not getting anything else from this day, and am really just ready to get a couple flips.

Like, I obviously want Ichirin's elim, but even if that is not the elim of the day, I kinda just wish that all of the anti-ichirin elim people would consolidate on their prefered counter wagon, and both wagons could get to like 5 votes each, and everyone else at that point be forced to voice an opinion on one or the other.

It feels like we are just... treading water at this point.

i completely agree with this

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i really think Ichirin is just a naturally OMGUSy player and that is rubbing some people the wrong way

or they are intentionally painting that as scummy to push hir

i expect Clownpiece fits into the first category and Kagerou the latte

OMGUS has approximately zero impact on the way that I am reading them, because it did not come until long after my read developed.

When they got voted early on, they called every single person voting them townish.

When they did their big catchup, they scum read's last stanch on them was *maybe I should look at them again* and they still called me town.

The first time they voiced any suspicion on me was 1,321 posts after I first voted them.

i really think Ichirin is just a naturally OMGUSy player and that is rubbing some people the wrong way

or they are intentionally painting that as scummy to push hir

i expect Clownpiece fits into the first category and Kagerou the latter

You do realize i'm the one currently OMGUSing right

ok i guess OMGUSy wasn't the best descriptor, i more meant that Ichirin is incredibly reactionary when it comes to people suspecting hir and that can come across as overly concerned about how others perceive hir which can cause them to legitimately scumread hir. or hir reactionary gameplay can be used against hir with ~nefarious intent~ and she's not the most charismatic player (no offense) so struggles to pull hirself out of it.

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i'm kinda over defending Ichirin tho because clearly people are not finding my arguments for Kagerou convincing and there has been a slow but steady consensus building on hir that i am just resigned to at this point.

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@Reisen, can you go into your thoughts on Kagerou? it is clear your preference is for an Ichirin elimination but i haven't seen much visible analysis on Kagerou's recent posts which have been very relevant to the conversation

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Like, I feel like at least the people on Kagerou are actually trying to convince other people to vote Kagerou

Koishi Komeiji [2]: Sanae Kochiya, Yuuka Kazami
Daiyousei [1]: Marisa Kirisame

Not Voting [3]: Aya Shameimaru, Koishi Komeiji, Kaguya Houraisan

But then none of these people are.

does this make you feel any type of way in terms of alignments for these people?

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VOTE: Koishi

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myself Kaguya Sanae Yuuka would be four, if we put our minds together we can make Koishi a legitimate elimination possibility again!

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i thought you were softing neighborizer earlier in the game

i can't remember if that was you or your predecessor

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welp that just further confirms something pretty much everyone seemed to know

sorry Lukewarm

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i don't care about this claim

just like i don't care about Ichirin's claim

but i am down for Clownpiece slot being protected by Koishi's role, although this will not dissuade from continuing to push for Koishi's elimination

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hmmmmm

i will say that Koishi buddying her town reads and overall lack of scum hunting is a little more explainable when considering this role, it makes sense that she would prioritize making a good protection choice

i know i said i don't care about the role claim but this does have me looking at this slot in a new light

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VOTE: Kagerou

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oh hi Kagerou don't mind me!

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i don't care about this claim

just like i don't care about Ichirin's claim

but i am down for Clownpiece slot being protected by Koishi's role, although this will not dissuade from continuing to push for Koishi's elimination

You do realize we lose a lot of utility if you're wrong on Koishi

but for real, i don't really care? the priority is to eliminate scum. if i feel Koishi is scum, any potential utility we lose in the event that the are town will likely not prevent me from pushing for her elimination

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i mean, i don't really mind you no, i think you're town and that's what i get for flying too close to the sun

for the record i do feel bad if you are town here, i've been hard on you and i know that it's not fun to be on the receiving end. i just don't THINK you're town here so i am trying to shove my sympathies for you to the deepest recesses of my heart and stay the course

i am probably not getting my way today and am slowly beginning to accept it, so if you're town you will probably still have an opportunity to prove me wrong!

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idk where the VC is at but we definitely need to know Koishi's target before ending the day

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i figured having Koishi reveal her target would hold her accountable in the event that her target dies before her. but i guess if she's scum and lying, they wouldn't ever kill her target anyway

i am absolute trash at role strategy/mechanics. i guess it would also make sense to keep it hidden from scum to keep them guessing and dissuade them away from killing universal town reads (assuming she's town)

now that i think about it, is there anything about that role claim that is provable? other than Koishi dying?

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this is why i usually ignore role speculation/discussion

thinking about it is too hard

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what makes you think you can sleep when you’re in a mafia game?

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this is an unexpected turn of events

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apologies, i am several pages behind and should have went V/LA this weekend. i will be around much more tomorrow (Monday) which i know is cutting it close to deadline

a Kagerou elimination is still most desirable for me at this point, not thrilled with an Ichirin elimination but not in a position to adequately fight against that currently

really wanting some juicy Marisa/Aya content before day ends

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Alright folks! I am back from my Iso dive, diverted into playing video games. And I can tell you that all the metamagic scrolls are telling me is that I don't know how to read Kagerou-Chan! So I'm going to re-vote Ichirin-San for now and contemplate Kagerou's alignment on a later day.

VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi

can you explain what initially caught your attention with Kagerou to reconsider your town read on them?

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i think Ichirin's responses to pressure have been townie overall as i've explained previously

i think Ichirin as scum trying to save themselves would not choose the claimed poisoner role to do so, whether it's hir actual role or not. it's a very risk claim to make if hir goal is survivability and if anything would only hurt hir cause in saving hirself

i don't think Ichirin unvotes Kagerou at any point as scum (i guess unless she's scum with Kagerou?), sie has already justified hirself enough to park there for the remainder of the day but unvoting her really killed the momentum of the Kagerou wagon and hir only reasonable chance at surviving today

basically, all of Ichirin's actions more recently just do not align with scum trying to save themselves. don't really expect to change many minds at this point but i don't think sie flips scum here and Kagerou is an infinitely better bet

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i’m finding it a bit strange that Aya is actively townreading Ichirin and scum reading Kagerou (unless her mind changed within the last couple pages I haven’t read yet) but she hasn’t voted Kagerou at any point to give that wagon an actual possibility of being pushed through over Ichirin

i would like to take this opportunity and formally invite her to the join our little ragtag band of freedom fighters and hop on the Kagerou wagon to help give it some legs!

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Larva can you not please

sorry!

any thoughts on my reasons for townreading Ichirin? the first is more my opinion but the others make Ichirin pretty anti-survivability and opposite to how i expect scum in Ichirin’s position to behave, so i’d like to hear your perspective

i’m also curious about your reason for briefly unvoting/reevaluating Ichirin: what made you question yourself and why have you now returned to hir wagon? Did you consider anyone else during that time?

i am in the midst of catching up now so feel free to ignore if these explanations exist within the past ~10 pages

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Larva would you, as scum without strong thread presence, insist on 50/50 flipping day 1?

probably not, but i don’t necessarily agree that Kagerou didn’t have “strong thread presence” at the time, and given Ichirin was a very popular scum read at that point i don’t see why Kagerou would be written off as town for “1v1’ing” hir. i think it could be an easy way for scum to get towncred and not all that risky considering Ichirin was widely scum-read.

i’ve already explained why i felt Kagerou’s shift from fluff-posting to the Ichirin 1v1 was scummy. feel free to find those in my ISO and tell me why i’m wrong

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I do agree on your reasons to townread Ichirin, and like, i think sie's barely above >rand for flipping scum, but i was thinking about who else i was voting if not hir and i kinda blanked on names, don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

i'm also more comfortable killing a role we know is at worse low utility anyways rather than outing more claims, we already have 3 roles out

hmmmmmmm this is fair

which annoys me

please start answering me with generically scummy responses so my confidence is not shaken

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did you like…do anything else when you unvoted Ichirin?

who were you considering as scum that you ultimately decided not to push during that period?

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I think the main thing to look is at how Dai and Larva have interacted with Kagerou because Koishi just came up because "hey, useful town role, maybe...?" but I'm realizing Kagerou's always been the more endangered slot, and like I hypothesized: Master Spark. Very spooky for scum who know a thing or two about Touhou.

did you ever do this and if so what were your findings?

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today i learned Kagerou is claiming a dayvig shot and i am left questioning why they wouldn’t just keep this to themselves as scum and just shoot an obvtown player in the event they become the elimination for today

or why as scum they would just lie about a role that should be provable

i hate this for me

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i am caught up

and demoralized that both of my major scum reads this day phase have claimed their roles and handled them in fairly towny ways from what i can tell? which i know i shouldn’t put much stock into but they both successfully made me question myself to the point where my confidence is now shot!

Koishi did seem to claim and kinda bounce and began contributing less after doing so? i believe she mentioned being sick over the weekend but now that the cat’s out of the bag i don’t understand the purpose of still not actively scumhunting or applying pressure anywhere when she has seemingly now decided who she’s targeting tonight

i don’t know how to feel about so many people saying they would settle with a Koishi elimination but not doing anything about it though

still not thrilled with an Ichirin elimination but don’t want to be that guy that yells at people voting there without having a great alternative so close to deadline

i acknowledge this post says a whole lot of nothing but that’s just…where i’m at currently

i agree with i think Dai who said that pivoting to a lurker slot is not appealing to me either as it feels like a waste of the day’s efforts and is mostly a shot in the dark (speaking mostly about Aya here)

i should be pretty available for the remainder of the day phase to help ensure an elimination is ultimately pushed through and to engage if people wanna say words to me

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wow i feel so engaged with thanks

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Gut doesn't feel like Ichirin's particularly likely to flip scum, what are the alternatives

You.

I just want them to flip already so I have something tangible to work with.

Wait, which player said they were immune to day abilities again. Was that ichirin or kouji?

Kaguya is one of the few slots i haven’t paranoia-spiraled myself out of townreading please don’t do this to me

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VOTE: Koishi

whatever

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i am whatever-ing my reasons for townreading Koishi because they are solely because of her role claim shenanigans

Kagerou’s is at least provable and i wanna give them a chance to hit scum so i don’t have to utilize too much brainpower if they shoot correctly

Koishi will be a question mark as long as she remains alive

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Yuuka what are your thoughts on Sanae and Marisa?

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Sanae specifically has dropped in my reads because i have not been super impressed with her recent content and she feels like she’s going through the motions to just get to the end of the day. i’ve been growing increasingly uncertain too so it’s not super egregious or anything, i’m just squinting at her posts more and more as the day goes on

Marisa’s drop in content is understandable due to the extended V/LA but any goodwill she built early on isn’t really enough to maintain my townread, especially now that my scum reads aren’t as solid

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Marisa have their been any major changes to your early reads since catching up?

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Reisen can you remind me why you’re scumreading Ichirin again?

Are you at all compelled by my reasons for townreading hir?

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i’d just expect scum Ichirin to claim basically ANYTHING more survivable than a poisoner that has practically no town utility, lol

idk, my heart really isn’t even in it to defend Ichirin anymore when sie’s basically gone MIA ever since unvoting Kagerou and shaded the people defending her with no visible effort to get to the bottom of that?

i’m not in the mood to keep lobbying for her safety when sie doesn’t even seem to care herself

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hirself*, sorry about that

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the only flash wagon i’d be actively support is Koishi and i’m already voting there

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Aya who would you most like eliminated today?

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i will not be joining an Aya flash wagon

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I too am looking forward to Koishi’s forthcoming effort!

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Koishi can you go into more detail about the Dai scumread?

i kinda agree about Marisa

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Sanae is a slot i'm willing to compromise on but in what world does this not result in Sanae just claiming and all of you going back to Ichirin because no one is cares about losing that role regardless of Ichirin's alignment

also i miscalculated and don't think i'll be on right at deadline after all, the day ends while i'm at work and i have several meetings right beforehand

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i'm slowly convincing myself i might be wrong about my Ichirin town read which is an unfortunate realization 12 hours from deadline

sie has been avoiding the thread the past ~4 days, i feel like sie's realizing how scattered we are and hoping being absent and letting the drama ensue will keep people from remembering sie exists

sie had this super compelling post about thinking maybe hir defenders were scum but when i prodded her about it sie says sie's just waiting to die and will maybe get to it today? it feels weird sie'd have this amazing realization that completely turns hir perspective on its head only to...lurk the rest of the day out claiming sie's resigned to dying?

it should be clear based on the chaotic thread state that it's not set in stone that sie's dying so hir absence feels more like "strategic scum avoidance" rather than "demoralized town waiting for inevitable death"

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Koishi is probably just town after all, i doubt she's faking the string of posts about asking the mod to confirm if her post identifying her target was allowed

and the outright refusal to vote anyone despite multiple people asking her to is like the opposite thing for her to do if her goal is to survive?

VOTE: Sanae

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i don't think Ichirin being demoralized is all that alignment indicative on its own. i can see where sie as town would be over it at this point

the problem is the shift from "omg maybe my defenders are scum all along let me dig into this!!" to lurking out the rest of the day. the whole "i'm just waiting to die" schtick becomes more difficult to buy when it's clear from the gamestate that the day 1 elimination is not at all set in stone

it's starting to feel like a weaponized excuse to stop contributing and allowing us to forget about hir

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my own hypocrisy in voting Sanae but convincing myself Ichirin is actually scum is not lost on me. i agree that Sanae's stock has fallen drastically and at this point i will vote for anyone that isn't a town read just to ensure an elimination goes through

i hate cutting deadlines this close, it gives me tremendous anxiety

i should be around a fair amount for the next ~6 or so hours to be bullied into voting someone else if needed

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i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

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i am a tad perturbed at the speed of this wagon when getting people to actually wagon someone the past five irl days has been virtually impossible

but it’s too late in the day for me to give a shit

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real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

this is why i’m shoving that feeling down as much as possible

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if Marisa/Clown are not scum on your wagon then who is?

and since you’re at E-1, claiming would probably be a good idea

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that’s fair

in my haste to push join the Sanae wagon i didn’t realize Ichirin was still that close to being eliminated

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Actually

VOTE: Ichirin

two wagons at E-2, you’re welcome

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but Tenshi now we have two solid wagons at e-2, forcing the non-voters to choose between them as the deadline pressure looms

think of all the data, interactions, and reactions this will yield!

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if there’s scum on the Sanae wagon i think it’s Marisa and/or Kagerou

i’m townreading everyone else

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It's a weird push for scum!Marisa to initiate, at a weird time. I don't see why she doesn't just join Ichirin unless she's scum with hir

unless i am misremembering you two are in a neighborhood. has she given any indication of the scum read or been vocally skeptical of you in there?

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Marisa what are your thoughts on Sanae’s recent posting?

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just a heads up, i cannot promise i’ll be as readily available as we get closer to deadline. i’ll do my best to check in a bit beforehand but i’m fairly busy with work this afternoon

i currently prefer Ichirin over Sanae for the elimination but am ultimately fine with either as long as one goes through

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i am leaning towards Sanae's claim coming from town

specifically because she dies when using an ability without enough MP.

she is either explicitly lying about this part of the claim or is just town, as scum roles backfiring and resulting in death is just...not a thing they would ever opt for so why include it in the first place?

and that's not really something i'd expect scum to think of when constructing a fake claim. unless scum are provided fakeclaims from the mod, which i guess is possible, but the fact that roles don't inform alignment makes me think this probably isn't a thing?

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How can the claim itself be from town due to the self die mechanic when you are arguing that roles don't inform alignment for a different aspect?

that's a fair point LOL

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i think roles not informing alignment is fucking with my head and i should just stop trying to think about it

even though that's literally all i've done ever since the role claims started flowing