Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Aristeia]

arent they both saying its me

[Hu Tao]

It should be obvious I am gunsmith. I softed it day 1. And I softed my result multiple times day 2

[Hu Tao]

If there is a Vigilante this game, I'd suggest vigging NotAScum. They seem like new scum.

the page provides an entire system for classifying self-votes and explains in detail how each type of self vote could come from scum

or

from town.

then the only sentence from which it can be gleaned that anyone thinks self-voting is a scumtell is:
"While this practice is commonly seen as scum-indicative, no data has been compiled on the actual effectiveness of self-voting as a towntell or a scumtell."
this is arguably the most disapproving way that a writer could conceivably share that information without openly abandoning wikipedia's editorial guidelines

but someone clinging to the mafia wiki for dear life took the exact opposite message home?
it does not pass the smell test

also it's not the pulling out the wiki that's scummy
it's the fiction that the slot decided to vote hu tao based on the content of that wiki

VOTE: notascum

i think this is it, the easy D1 slam dunk that even this town deserves
i will try really hard not to be too obnoxious about how shitty every other wagon is by comparison

While I do think they could be scum, I want to hear their response. That's why I think a vig there is better if there is one

I still think Naerys today. If there is a vigilante, they should shoot NotAScum

This is all day 1

[Psyche]

ok almost back at desk...

[Hu Tao]

If I was scum and wanted both my partners gone by d3 I think I'd be in almost certain auto loss

[Hu Tao]

Especially knowing there was a vigilante and a role blocker who claimed d2.

[Psyche]

quite a stretch to call those posts a softclaim
but why would it clear you if we agreed you softed gunsmith D1
are you saying you never soft/breadcrumb roles as scum?

[Psyche]

arent they both saying its me

sorry!

[Psyche]

man im so glad to still be alive

[Aristeia]

i still cant believe you actually vigged titus after i told you the only way that shot would work is if she was town smh

[Psyche]

If I was scum and wanted both my partners gone by d3 I think I'd be in almost certain auto loss

but if you were scum right now, you'd

not

be in autoloss.
not even in the scenario where i shoot ari or whatever.
and definitely not in the scenario where everyone townreads you for supposedly definitely wanting both NAS/gera gone by D3.

[Psyche]

i still cant believe you actually vigged titus after i told you the only way that shot would work is if she was town smh

sorry i don't recall much engagement from anyone about my logic for shooting titus besides the belief that someone else is scum
could you quote the post and/or walk me through the reasoning?

[Psyche]

i did consider the scenario where scum doesn't use their NK at all last night
but i decided it would be a solid outcome since i'd be alive in that scenario

[Aristeia]

if titus is mafia she is almost certainly a mafia roleblocker and will block you

the only world where your shot goes off is if Titus is town or you're aiming at town.

[Aristeia]

the mafia killed dannflor n2 probably because they thought he was a pr.

the only reason for them to think this is because he instantly believed titus's roleclaim - which suggests he knew he was blocked.

so for that to be true; titus has to be a roleblocker of some kind

if titus is a mafia roleblocker and you say you're going to shoot her, she can just block you and shoot you.

if titus is a town roleblocker, she wont block you and your shot will go through.

so if you shoot at titus the only world where she dies is if she is town.

[Psyche]

Oh I remember. But why was that a problem for solving the game that the shot only goes off if Titus is town?

[Psyche]

I mean I was well-aware that if scum had a way to disrupt my shot, they'd probably use it only in the condition that I am aiming scum...

[Aristeia]

i thought you would shoot someone else and then if your shot goes thru titus would be cleared for not blocking you

i didnt think you would actually shoot her.

[Aristeia]

like when you responded to my point with "thats another reason i should shoot her" i assumed you were thinking along those lines.

[Psyche]

ok thanks for walking me through your thinking

[Hu Tao]

I just don't get why as scum I would force everyone to not vote PC and vote NAS day 2. And try to get gera vigged n2 and when he didn't just try to hurry up his Elim. Also as scum why would I wait until after seeing every claim and claim gunsmith after? It just doesn't make sense from scum point of view to do this.

[Psyche]

ultimately your D1 trajectory on NAS seems to tee him up as a possibility but

in practice

go all-in on Naeyrs
the D2 position around NAS is more interesting for sure
if there was any chance of the NAS lim failing D2 then yeah that's a good reason to townlean you

[Psyche]

there's the possibility of bussing for sure but i think gera's poor position would have motivated you to try avoiding that
on the other hand, one could argue you were locked into pushing NAS after your D1 trajectory, making even my previous post shakier than i figured when i made it

anyway im procrasting from the real stuff

[Psyche]

so...
my math says scum not shooting is just the town getting to vote on an extra vig shot -- that they get to vote on instead of trusting me to aim
why is last night's outcome such a disaster scenario?

[Psyche]

i guess it's a disaster compared to me aiming correctly or the NK failing AND me shooting some other town i guess