unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now
it's actually a traitor soft
don't scumclaim unless you really want me to policy koba
i'm trying to rise out of anti-miller hate, but i just might
In post 185, ketchup777 wrote:
last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical
You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?
am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did
Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?
In post 196, ketchup777 wrote:
mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?
What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.
Mmhmm
In post 204, JacksonVirgo wrote:
But it's because you seem to be on a similar wavelength than I am, I should have actually asked a little more before assuming you town but eh too late
In post 250, Black wrote:
LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad
I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*
fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game
Is there any reason why you didn't say that when you read my reasoning? What do you think about the other votes on you?
because I was still thinking about whether it meant anything beyond "I'm town, but we're barely out of rvs and this is the best reason I have to SR someone". if you'd made the same vote D2, or even 20 pages in, it would have been a much more immediate red flag rather than just a yellow one
the other two votes seemed very sheep-y which I don't think means *that* much in the first five pages. python, it's very early but the few posts they've made don't feel like scum!python from the one game I've been in with them. koba seems very neutral (like beyond the vote, I've no reason to disbelieve the miller claim, I don't like the traitor soft joke but it's not something I want to read into without more evidence).
Rereading light's d1, thoughts on Koba being shot as a Traitor conversion attempt? JV disqualified themselves as Traitor by pushing for a light lim d1 we think
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unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now
it's actually a traitor soft
don't scumclaim unless you really want me to policy koba
i'm trying to rise out of anti-miller hate, but i just might
In post 185, ketchup777 wrote:
last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical
You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?
am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did
Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?
In post 196, ketchup777 wrote:
mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?
What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.
Mmhmm
In post 204, JacksonVirgo wrote:
But it's because you seem to be on a similar wavelength than I am, I should have actually asked a little more before assuming you town but eh too late
In post 250, Black wrote:
LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad
I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*
fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game
Is there any reason why you didn't say that when you read my reasoning? What do you think about the other votes on you?
because I was still thinking about whether it meant anything beyond "I'm town, but we're barely out of rvs and this is the best reason I have to SR someone". if you'd made the same vote D2, or even 20 pages in, it would have been a much more immediate red flag rather than just a yellow one
the other two votes seemed very sheep-y which I don't think means *that* much in the first five pages. python, it's very early but the few posts they've made don't feel like scum!python from the one game I've been in with them. koba seems very neutral (like beyond the vote, I've no reason to disbelieve the miller claim, I don't like the traitor soft joke but it's not something I want to read into without more evidence).
Rereading light's d1, thoughts on Koba being shot as a Traitor conversion attempt? JV disqualified themselves as Traitor by pushing for a light lim d1 we think
what's the norm vis-a-vis traitors? would mafia know if shooting a traitor would kill or recruit them?
In post 2674, Hu Tao wrote:
Scum knew there were cops day 1 which is why they killed the Miller claim. So I don't think it's a big deal
I don't like this post but it's hard to articulate why
I think {Black/PC/Hu Tao} just wins the game and I kinda don't want to effort harder than that.
Yeah okay. So why was the Miller claim killed n1 then? It's obvious they knew the setup since they were all godfathers.
I think the problem we have with this is that if we assume this is true then we have Black as scum by POE and the third partner is ???, there's too many townies in that world
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I agree with Hu Tao that killing the Miller claim was because they suspected lots of cops, or maybe they thought Koba was hiding a functioning cop (but doubt Koba had figured out the setup in their first post lol so maybe that doesn’t stand up)
Koba is PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, needless to say that i didn't buy it for second and if mafia did, they are laughable, Koba kjlled for other reasons
By the way, i had VT as Ranger in 90% cases and Ketchup in 10% cases (because how insistant ketchup was that VT may fakeclaim to let me sit).
Partially reason i don't like ketchup. With... How many? People checking me, it's like mafia checked me and KNOW i am not VT. But theory contradicts by fact that Ranger was not shot as well. I mean, if mafia knows i am not VT, mafia figure out ranger role almost instantly.
... And they don't try to 1vs1 Ranger for no benefit i guess.
Wizard-Mercenary
You need replacement/players ASAP? PM me! I almost always accept.
- PC has anti-Cop equity and Black is not a mech player so likely to get tripped up by Rolecop-Finder and also doesn't have any real d1 cop equity
light/Black/Doctor Drew
light/Enchant/Hu Tao
light/Enchant/Political Clout
light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
Spoiler: Pass 2 (medium confidence)
light/ketchup777/Black
light/ketchup777/Enchant
light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
light/ketchup777/Political Clout
light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
light/Black/Enchant
- See above for Black, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
light/Black/Hu Tao
light/Black/Doctor Drew
light/Enchant/Hu Tao
light/Enchant/Political Clout
- See above for PC, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
Spoiler: Results
light/ketchup777/Black
light/ketchup777/Enchant
light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
light/ketchup777/Political Clout
light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
light/Black/Hu Tao
light/Black/Doctor Drew
light/Enchant/Hu Tao
light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
Teams with ketchup777 are possible because lack of experience means he could have ignored the implications of Rolecop-finder implying Rolecop and just focused on thinking Godfather = Cops
Teams with Doctor Drew are possible because he has high cop equity so by necessity if he's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop
Teams with Hu Tao are possible because she has good d2 cop equity so by necessity if she's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop
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- PC has anti-Cop equity and Black is not a mech player so likely to get tripped up by Rolecop-Finder and also doesn't have any real d1 cop equity
light/Black/Doctor Drew
light/Enchant/Hu Tao
light/Enchant/Political Clout
light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
Spoiler: Pass 2 (medium confidence)
light/ketchup777/Black
light/ketchup777/Enchant
light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
light/ketchup777/Political Clout
light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
light/Black/Enchant
- See above for Black, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
light/Black/Hu Tao
light/Black/Doctor Drew
light/Enchant/Hu Tao
light/Enchant/Political Clout
- See above for PC, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
Spoiler: Results
light/ketchup777/Black
light/ketchup777/Enchant
light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
light/ketchup777/Political Clout
light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
light/Black/Hu Tao
light/Black/Doctor Drew
light/Enchant/Hu Tao
light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
Teams with ketchup777 are possible because lack of experience means he could have ignored the implications of Rolecop-finder implying Rolecop and just focused on thinking Godfather = Cops
Teams with Doctor Drew are possible because he has high cop equity so by necessity if he's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop
Teams with Hu Tao are possible because she has good d2 cop equity so by necessity if she's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop
We got basically nothing out of this, very cool
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In post 2688, Enchant wrote:
Koba is PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, needless to say that i didn't buy it for second and if mafia did, they are laughable, Koba kjlled for other reasons
By the way, i had VT as Ranger in 90% cases and Ketchup in 10% cases (because how insistant ketchup was that VT may fakeclaim to let me sit).
Partially reason i don't like ketchup. With... How many? People checking me, it's like mafia checked me and KNOW i am not VT. But theory contradicts by fact that Ranger was not shot as well. I mean, if mafia knows i am not VT, mafia figure out ranger role almost instantly.
... And they don't try to 1vs1 Ranger for no benefit i guess.
Who has Koba meta in this playerlist
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In post 2674, Hu Tao wrote:
Scum knew there were cops day 1 which is why they killed the Miller claim. So I don't think it's a big deal
I don't like this post but it's hard to articulate why
I think {Black/PC/Hu Tao} just wins the game and I kinda don't want to effort harder than that.
Yeah okay. So why was the Miller claim killed n1 then? It's obvious they knew the setup since they were all godfathers.
I think the problem we have with this is that if we assume this is true then we have Black as scum by POE and the third partner is ???, there's too many townies in that world
Which is literally my deduction since yesterday. So why was that suspect to you?
I think I agree with python that we mafia also couldn't know the setup. just that their were maybe a plethora of investigative roles. I probably need to think more on it.
In post 2694, Political Clout wrote:
I think I agree with python that we mafia also couldn't know the setup. just that their were maybe a plethora of investigative roles. I probably need to think more on it.
In post 2689, usesPython wrote:
Teams with ketchup777 are possible because lack of experience means he could have ignored the implications of Rolecop-finder implying Rolecop and just focused on thinking Godfather = Cops
In post 2697, ketchup777 wrote:
I don’t really understand what you’ve done Python. Were you striking through teams you thought likely or what?
Checking if the game still makes sense if we assume mafia figured out the setup before massclaim, we were striking out the teams that probably couldn't figure it out and didn't get much from it because almost every team would be able to figure it out
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In post 2677, usesPython wrote:
Yeah okay. So why was the Miller claim killed n1 then? It's obvious they knew the setup since they were all godfathers.
I think the problem we have with this is that if we assume this is true then we have Black as scum by POE and the third partner is ???, there's too many townies in that world
Which is literally my deduction since yesterday. So why was that suspect to you?
No we're rejecting the deduction since we don't have a workable solve if we assume it's true and the more likely answer is we missed something that'd make the deduction not work
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