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[Greeting]

TOWN

Greeting

TOWNREADS

SmileyDude1
StraightFlush

TOWNLEANS

yessiree
davesaz

NULL

Hu Tao
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
KayJayQueue

EH?

Brian Skies
Political Clout
Titus

SCUMREADS

BlackStar

[Greeting]

You still haven't addressed the blatant rolefishing.

I'm still irked by that. What is the purpose of posts like 45 and 50? What does asking this achieve for town?

[Greeting]

This exchange reads like scumdistancing imo, just a lot of worst-faith readings of each other and not a ton of substance.

For Brian, I just don't get any read on how he wants to act/what impact he wants to have on the game. The "analyzer" thing and the talk around that is especially weird.

For PC, I just think his early selfvote and posting habits since then have kinda invited this kind of argument, and there's not much benefit for him to continue engaging with it atp

I'm not at all convinced if this is scum distancing. I do think there is a decent chance of at least one scum amongst these two though.

[StraightFlush]

TOWN

Greeting

TOWNREADS

SmileyDude1
StraightFlush

TOWNLEANS

yessiree
davesaz

NULL

Hu Tao
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
KayJayQueue

EH?

Brian Skies
Political Clout
Titus

SCUMREADS

BlackStar

Nice color coding, I should try doing stuff like that on this site

Interested to hear about those takes on Dave and Nurse, not what I was expecting.

[StraightFlush]

This exchange reads like scumdistancing imo, just a lot of worst-faith readings of each other and not a ton of substance.

For Brian, I just don't get any read on how he wants to act/what impact he wants to have on the game. The "analyzer" thing and the talk around that is especially weird.

For PC, I just think his early selfvote and posting habits since then have kinda invited this kind of argument, and there's not much benefit for him to continue engaging with it atp

I'm not at all convinced if this is scum distancing. I do think there is a decent chance of at least one scum amongst these two though.

Yeah the rest of the convo after that definitely made me come closer to your interpretation

[Hu Tao]

Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:

TOWN
Smiley
Random Nurse
Greeting
Hu Tao

NULL
PenguinPower
KayJayQueue

MIXED
Political Clout
Titus
davesaz
yessiree

SCUM
Brian Skies
BlackStar

Surprisingly even spread all things considered

Why am I town

[StraightFlush]

Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:

TOWN
Smiley
Random Nurse
Greeting
Hu Tao

NULL
PenguinPower
KayJayQueue

MIXED
Political Clout
Titus
davesaz
yessiree

SCUM
Brian Skies
BlackStar

Surprisingly even spread all things considered

Why am I town

You haven't posted much but your content has been consistently substantive so far, which I think is a towny behavior pattern early-game. You don't seem bothered by people voting you, which is also towny, and we're also mindmelding quite a bit so there might be a bit of bias there

[yessiree]

I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the justification behind votes when most of them are just vibes and gut

the game is still in the figuring-out-each-others phase so I'm not really expecting any vote to be based on a solid foundation. That's not to say I'm not looking for anything though, as for what I'm looking for... I'm not telling you right now

I normally consider logical and well-justified arguments as a sign of effort to resolve the game. Surely this does not mean that mafia cannot fake them, but I am far less likely to look at someone who is evidently trying to get somewhere even in the fighting-out-each-other phase.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here...

[yessiree]

Spoiler:

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet

Come now, it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow to everyone's townie standards at once. I think all of us here are different enough in what we look for in order for that to be the case, so honesty is almost certainly the best policy. Personally, I think the towniest thing someone can do is defend a person who's currently unpopular with a well-reasoned argument

what if they never get up to speed? where do you draw the line? I disagree with this on a more playstyle level, being proactive (pushing and poking) is always better than being reactive (waiting for mafia to make a mistake)

if you think everyone is different in what AI-indicative behaviors they look for, I don't see why you would have an issue with me poking and prodding people? since seeing how they react to pressure is exactly how I like make reads early on

am not sure what you mean by the last part, are you saying Hu Tao is unpopular and anyone who defends her is townie?

[yessiree]

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
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Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scum

what makes you think Hu Tao a LHF? She's deffo not a LHF, she's a more of a wasp nest if i say so myself

[yessiree]

Spoiler: hider soft for prosperity

are you

hiding

something smileyman?

Eh, just engaging in some light-hearted banter tis all.

I think I believe you maybe tbd. but are you

hiding

something?

it was yeah.

why? trying to be my fren? or trying to be anyones fren? or trying to be everyone's fren?

Would you consider it scummy if I was trying to do the above though. If so, why?

I would think you are

hiding

a pr. your entrance suggests eagerness your consecutives posts suggests stealth and trying to blend in. Your deflection suggests slight annoyance at me.

[Brian Skies]

Spoiler: hider soft for prosperity

are you

hiding

something smileyman?

Eh, just engaging in some light-hearted banter tis all.

I think I believe you maybe tbd. but are you

hiding

something?

it was yeah.

why? trying to be my fren? or trying to be anyones fren? or trying to be everyone's fren?

Would you consider it scummy if I was trying to do the above though. If so, why?

I would think you are

hiding

a pr. your entrance suggests eagerness your consecutives posts suggests stealth and trying to blend in. Your deflection suggests slight annoyance at me.

Let's say this were the case. Why hide crumbs in a rolefish?

[Brian Skies]

Also, why crumb hider at all?

[yessiree]

that was not a crumb tho, I think it was a straight up claim

[Brian Skies]

Okay, why claim hider on page 2?

[yessiree]

maybe he's actually a weak hider and got really excited, so latched onto the first opportunity to soft

[Gypyx]

1.5

The "black things'' are pepper for you uncultured swines out there

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Random Nurse (3) :

BlackStar / Titus / PenguinPower

Political Clout (2) :

Davesaz / Brian Skies

Brian Skies (2) :

Political Clout / Straight Flush

yessiree (1) :

Hu Tao

Hu Tao (1) :

yessiree

Davesaz (1) :

SmileyDude1

BlackStar (1) :

Greeting

Titus (1) :

KayJayQueue

Not Voting (1) :

Random Nurse

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-25 13:02:46)

vote history

PenguinPower :

yessiree (8) -> Brian Skies (29) -> Random Nurse (118)

yessiree :

PenguinPower (9) -> Political Clout (82) -> Hu Tao (121)

Davesaz :

greeting (13) -> Political Clout (76)

BlackStar :

Political Clout (18) -> Unvote(52) -> Random Nurse (90)

KayJayQueue :

Brian Skies (22) -> Titus (95)

Political Clout :

Politicial Clout (26) -> Brian Skies (151)

SmileyDude1 :

Brian Skies (27) -> Unvote (91) -> Davesaz (92)

Greeting :

BlackStar (70)

Brian Skies :

Political Clout (83)

TItus :

Random Nurse (94)

StraightFlush :

yessiree (124) -> Brian Skies (216)

Hu Tao :

yessiree (128)

mod notes

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[Brian Skies]

I don't like to be one to tell others how to play their roles. But in my mind, hiders are supposed to crumb targets so that if they die, we can go back and figure out their trail of targets. Not expose themselves to the scumteam so that when the hider targets town, scum get a two-for-one special.

[StraightFlush]

Spoiler:

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet

Come now, it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow to everyone's townie standards at once. I think all of us here are different enough in what we look for in order for that to be the case, so honesty is almost certainly the best policy. Personally, I think the towniest thing someone can do is defend a person who's currently unpopular with a well-reasoned argument

what if they never get up to speed? where do you draw the line? I disagree with this on a more playstyle level, being proactive (pushing and poking) is always better than being reactive (waiting for mafia to make a mistake)

if you think everyone is different in what AI-indicative behaviors they look for, I don't see why you would have an issue with me poking and prodding people? since seeing how they react to pressure is exactly how I like make reads early on

am not sure what you mean by the last part, are you saying Hu Tao is unpopular and anyone who defends her is townie?

It's a "you know it when you see it" type of deal. Depends on the pace of the game; I have no experience with this slow-paced of a game (or at least one that's set up like that), so I can't comment much further. If you find that frustratingly vague, I understand.

I'm just sharing my thoughts, you don't need to change your whole playstyle because I criticized it. Sorry if I implied I thought that.

Last part isn't linked to Hu Tao at all, I think you may have missed the point of that.

As for the LHF thing I just disagree. You can't become a wasp's nest as a D1 lowposter, that kind of status is reserved for high-volume people who are acting weird imo. I know a lot of people are suspicious of early lowposters by default, and I am too sometimes, but I see it as an unhealthy habit that I want to mitigate.

[Brian Skies]

Is weak variation not the normal version of hider?

[Brian Skies]

1.5

The "black things'' are pepper for you uncultured swines out there

I believe the mod just called me uncultured for being unable to identify pepper.

[yessiree]

Is weak variation not the normal version of hider?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lar_Normal

weak should be part of "regular", but Imma leave it at that

[yessiree]

Why am I town

You haven't posted much but your content has been consistently substantive so far, which I think is a towny behavior pattern early-game. You don't seem bothered by people voting you, which is also towny, and we're also mindmelding quite a bit so there might be a bit of bias there

Last part isn't linked to Hu Tao at all, I think you may have missed the point of that.

As for the LHF thing I just disagree. You can't become a wasp's nest as a D1 lowposter, that kind of status is reserved for high-volume people who are acting weird imo. I know a lot of people are suspicious of early lowposters by default, and I am too sometimes, but I see it as an unhealthy habit that I want to mitigate.

I said she's a wasp nest because by poking her I've brought the heat on me

But I'm curious why you think lowposting and being substantive is town!AI though. Imo only scum bothers appearing be logically consistent for optics sake, while townies can be contradicting and all over the place. So personally I don't find this argument particularly compelling

You claim she's not bothered by people voting her - last I checked I'm the only one voting her and she has immediately discredited and OMGUS'ed my push, so this doesn't actually track either.

[Titus]

Just on this page, I see a claim of hider but I don't necessarily believe it. Different roles can fake claim. For instance, a doctor may want to fake being a hider particularly if weak.

[Hu Tao]

I'm so lost as to why someone claimed