(micro 1101) mystery box of silver 16: tinkleton (it tinkled)

[Gypyx]

i'll answer that around page 15 snow, i'm not seeing many reasons to doubt myself but i recognize reading people when i have less than 100 posts to read is complicated

[Deus Deceptor]

To provide some more clarity on the state of the 'game', as according to the principles I have provided:

- Ausuka is representing predominantly selfless intrinsic motivations, from a set of predominantly personalised explanations: this has the underlying implications of the intention to pursue cooperation, which is necessary in order to uncover potential vectors of intentional deceit.

- Political Clout is representing awareness of the potential for selfish intrinsic motivations of Klick, and has called them in to question in #55.
- They have also represented awareness of the potential for selfless intrinsic motivations of Ausuka, and suggested that it trends towards being alignment indicative in #50.
- This representation appears to be informed by an understanding that town-sided players should be more motivated to cooperate than mafia-sided players.

- Snow2697 is making a conscious attempt to Neutralise the represented perspectives of the opposing parties he responds to; including me.

- Naerys has provided no content worth commenting on whatsoever, other than nonsense accusations.

Gypyx, Klick and Naerys are, in actuality, the players who are not playing mafia whatsoever. They are simply attempting to engage in a shouting match in the hopes that everyone else will cave to their unreasonable selfishness. In actuality, because this is a 'game' that trends them as being town-sided... Because the sheer lack of self-awareness to genuinely believe that could EVER result in a good game of mafia, would be an act of pure bad faith if they were

actually

members of the mafia.

[Deus Deceptor]

Deus - you are probably better in philosophy than the others, but if you keep going this way, the others would continue to represent "outgoing selfishness" and would simply lim you hoping that you would Positively Absorb this uncooperative move.

I am aware of such, because I am an Evil Demon... And it appears that

some players

do not understand that I am explaining that their actions are effortlessly predictable, and they all happen to be the players who are incapable of reading what I am explaining to them.

Curious indeed

.

I would rather enjoy hearing from Robert2424 and SirCakez at this point!

[Gypyx]

To provide some more clarity on the state of the 'game', as according to the principles I have provided:

- Ausuka is representing predominantly selfless intrinsic motivations, from a set of predominantly personalised explanations: this has the underlying implications of the intention to pursue cooperation, which is necessary in order to uncover potential vectors of intentional deceit.

- Political Clout is representing awareness of the potential for selfish intrinsic motivations of Klick, and has called them in to question in #55.
- They have also represented awareness of the potential for selfless intrinsic motivations of Ausuka, and suggested that it trends towards being alignment indicative in #50.
- This representation appears to be informed by an understanding that town-sided players should be more motivated to cooperate than mafia-sided players.

- Snow2697 is making a conscious attempt to Neutralise the represented perspectives of the opposing parties he responds to; including me.

- Naerys has provided no content worth commenting on whatsoever, other than nonsense accusations.

Gypyx, Klick and Naerys are, in actuality, the players who are not playing mafia whatsoever. They are simply attempting to engage in a shouting match in the hopes that everyone else will cave to their unreasonable selfishness. In actuality, because this is a 'game' that trends them as being town-sided... Because the sheer lack of self-awareness to genuinely believe that could EVER result in a good game of mafia, would be an act of pure bad faith if they were

actually

members of the mafia.

Where do you say we should be looking for scum then? I'm kinda struggling to see where this is all going

[Deus Deceptor]

Does this make me, like, the main character?

Correct. Unless you are able to peer in to the minds of others, then your conception of reality is necessarily informed by a Solipsist framework of understanding.

There could be no main character other than you, from your perspective.

Sorry, I think you misunderstood. I'm more curious about your perspective. If you're a demon from another world, and this is my dream, does this make everyone else just fragments of my imagination or something? Why even bother engaging with them in that case?

Not that I want you to talk about philosophy for the whole game, I just really want the answer to this one question

I make no attempt to impose any truths about your own perspective on to you, because it is indeed, unique to you.

I provide only a simple explanation: the mind and the brain aren't quite the same. Even the sciences of your world know this to be true.

Perhaps, to provide a simple thought experiment for you:
- The 'human' eyes view the illusory world of its surroundings with two

2-Dimensional Cartesian Planes

. That is to say, your eyes cannot actually see in 3 Dimensions, and must simply approximate a 3D Space (using two sets of Data) in an attempt to understand the concept of

Distance

that they cannot inherently perceive.
- The brain also must reverse the polarity of what the eyes perceive: when they view the illusory world, they view it upside down, and then there is an internal process that attempts to flip that perception back to its actual state. This introduces the potential for more inaccuracies in the approximation of 3D Space.
- The illusory world is, in actuality,

4-Dimensional Spacetime

. If the brain does not have an internally perfect understanding of the flow of time in 3-Dimensional space, there is the introduction of additional inaccuracies in perception of the illusory world.

As for how i am infesting your mind? Once you are curious enough to elect to consider such things for long enough to understand what I am saying to be the irrefutable truth... You will have no choice but to accept that you are, in fact, simply seeing an illusion,

and not seeing the real World for what it is

.

[Deus Deceptor]

Where do you say we should be looking for scum then? I'm kinda struggling to see where this is all going

The game of mafia ceases to be a game when there are too many players within it that are not attempting to cooperate. People who will play in a selfishly-motivated way are intentionally destroying the ability for there to be a game in the first place, because they are in fact, motivated to make the game less playable for everyone else regardless of their alignment.

Klick is correct insofar as I am also not playing the 'game', but what they have misunderstood is:
1. I am providing ample detail-oriented explanations for my perspective, that they are simply choosing to refuse to engage with for obviously selfishly motivated reasons. Someone who signs up to play a game and then refuses to actually directly engage with another player, is in actuality... Causing THEMSELVES to have less fun, intentionally.

2. They continue to provide selfish, personalised explanations, and then choose to default to selfishly blaming others when they feel the game has become 'unfun', instead of introspecting and realising that there is a qualitative difference between the way they and I are playing. That is, from a pure psychological perspective, outright projection. They have internalised that the game has become unfun because of me, and yet do not even have the good sense to explain why it's unfun. Instead, they attempt to poison the well of my perspective in the hopes that other people will speak out against me and engage in a group-motivated selfishness based on their personal ideas of what is fun, and what is not fun... Which has

nothing to do with the game of mafia whatsoever

. It is simply group bullying disguised as game-related behaviour, and it is extremely generous of me to call it a disguise when it is blatantly obvious.

3. Once again, they (and Naerys) fail to provide any justification for how 'walls of text' make the game less fun. Apparently reading what someone else says in a game where you're supposed to figure out their alignment by... Reading what they say, is making it unfun because I have chosen to given them MORE information with which to figure out my alignment. The more information I provide, the EASIER it is to solve my alignment, and this is

ABSOLUTELY UNDEBATABLE

. This feeds in even further to the idea that neither of them have any motivations to

actually attempt

to solve the game, and are instead more interested in trying to dominate the conversation and turn the 'game' in to complete farce of a popularity contest.

So, indeed: one thing Klick got correct is that there is no 'game'! It's simply that they got the order of operations wrong, and failed to realise that it's their own damn fault that they're thinking that way, because games exist inside your mind. Unless you're motivated to think it's a game, then it isn't a game to you.

[Deus Deceptor]

Where do you say we should be looking for scum then? I'm kinda struggling to see where this is all going

But, well, for a more direct explanation...

Let us just say that the Evil Demon would think this to be a

truly Divine Comedy

if the mafia are Robert2424 and SirCakez.

[SirCakez]

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

they are talking shit no way they have the game solved already

[SirCakez]

Correction
VOTE: Deceptor

VOTE: Deceptor

Allow this to be a reference as to how 'humans' within the illusory world are programmed - corrupted to become unable to handle parsing logically formatted statements as simple as syllogism.

Indoctrination has them engage in the act of self-preservation: by representing a complete inability to engage properly and instead Self-Delude; then, externally represent a threat that they cannot even explain with either a priori

or

a posteriori reasoning.

As to why this the case: their consciousness itself would experience 'ego' dissolution the moment it allowed itself to attempt to process such logic. The 'ego' is, of course, governed by the 'superego' which is the source of the indoctrination in question; and self-preservation is governed by the id, which is what causes such a predictable response.


I am sorry to those of you who were not yet aware that this was the truth of your illusory world: the vast majority of you are in fact, machines.

VOTE: deus deceptor

[SirCakez]

Deus is using a lotta words to say not that much so I'm good with this wagon now

[Deus Deceptor]

Deus is using a lotta words to say not that much so I'm good with this wagon now

Several other players seem to find it hard to understand what I'm saying, though... And I'm town.

So, you could really, REALLY help town by showing us all that you understand it all, and I'm saying 'not that much'... By explaining that you understand what I'm saying.

Or maybe this post is a complete bullshit fabrication and you're mafia, hmm... Well, it'd be a real shame if you couldn't prove that you truly scumread me because I'm 'using a lotta words to not say that much' now that you've made that declaration and voted me!

[Ausuka]

Deus is using a lotta words to say not that much so I'm good with this wagon now

What does this mean exactly

Like do you think Deus decided to do this after they received their role pm

[schadd_]

replacing klick

[SirCakez]

Correction
VOTE: Deceptor

VOTE: Deceptor

Allow this to be a reference as to how 'humans' within the illusory world are programmed - corrupted to become unable to handle parsing logically formatted statements as simple as syllogism.

Indoctrination has them engage in the act of self-preservation: by representing a complete inability to engage properly and instead Self-Delude; then, externally represent a threat that they cannot even explain with either a priori

or

a posteriori reasoning.

As to why this the case: their consciousness itself would experience 'ego' dissolution the moment it allowed itself to attempt to process such logic. The 'ego' is, of course, governed by the 'superego' which is the source of the indoctrination in question; and self-preservation is governed by the id, which is what causes such a predictable response.


I am sorry to those of you who were not yet aware that this was the truth of your illusory world: the vast majority of you are in fact, machines.

Like this post is a long and convoluted way of basically calling Naerys and Klick's votes on them bad. This long ass argument boils down to "they don't understand my big brain posts so they voted me"

Deus is using a lotta words to say not that much so I'm good with this wagon now

What does this mean exactly

Like do you think Deus decided to do this after they received their role pm

I'm thinking about that now. It's definitely an account gimmick which isn't AI but I'm looking at what might be motivating Deus' posts and I think there is more motivation to attack the votes on you as scum.

[schadd_]

Psyche replaces Klick

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Sircakez

I do not like the pivot in answering my question from "using a lot of words to say not much" to "the motivation for attacking votes on them"

I just struggle to believe this push in general, i find Naerys and Klick's approach of just saying "yeah we do not want to play a game with this person" to be more natural and real

[Ausuka]

Whenever i load this game i think of them

[schadd_]

vote count 1.1 !

Deus Deceptor (3):

Naerys, Psyche, SirCakez

Robert2424 (2):

Snow2697, Deus Deceptor

Gypyx (1):

Political Clout

Snow2697 (1):

Robert2424

Psyche (1):

Gypyx

SirCakez (1):

Ausuka

not voting (0):

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to pickle someone's peppers. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-24 16:08:11).

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[Deus Deceptor]

Like this post is a long and convoluted way of basically calling Naerys and Klick's votes on them bad. This long ass argument boils down to "they don't understand my big brain posts so they voted me"

I'm thinking about that now. It's definitely an account gimmick which isn't AI but I'm looking at what might be motivating Deus' posts and I think there is more motivation to attack the votes on you as scum.

Are you implying that this is a comprehensive understanding of all of the posts I've made in this game? Or maybe, you're implying you only needed this single post to declare I'm saying 'not that much' in ALL of my posts, and that was enough for you to hop on a bandwagon?

1. You're completely neglecting to mention that the post you quoted HAS to be combined with post #67, since it's the only possible reason they both voted for me in the first place. So, you've already completely failed to prove that you understand my posts unless you start from post #67... Or otherwise, that you're not even TRYING to understand them, and you're just cherry-picking a single post of mine and giving a dishonest, fabricated interpretation.

But sure: let's imagine for a moment that the post you quoted is the only post I've made so far in the entire game. And then, instead of me making that post, I responded to their votes with 'your votes are bad', since you're claiming that it's an equivalent argument.


2. In your interpretation, I didn't make any effort to explain WHY their votes are bad, so what exactly are they supposed to say in response? "No they aren't"? And then maybe I'd respond with "Yes they are?" Is that perhaps how you believe a good game of mafia should play out?

Have you ever considered that if I provide more words to EXPLAIN why their votes are bad, that gives them MORE ways to argue that they aren't bad in response...? And that's the PROOF that I'm trying to solve the game, by giving them MORE INFORMATION to attempt to prove me wrong? And then they didn't even attempt to argue back, just wordlessly voted and started calling the game unfun because of 'walls of text'... And that's the PROOF that THEY aren't trying to solve the game?


3. Where did I ever state my posts are 'big brain'? Where did I ever state that they didn't understand my posts? At NO POINT did I suggest that my posts were smart in any way, NOR did I claim that they couldn't understand them. Try fucking reading the post again, and maybe you'll realise that what I'm implying is that they clearly DIDN'T EVEN READ THE POST IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Naerys was completely honest about it. She complained about a 'wall of text' and voted with no other explanation. Does that sound like someone who read the post to you? Is that seriously your 'understanding' of what I was saying? Meanwhile, Klick didn't even provide a reason. Why would I think that they didn't understand something when every piece of evidence points to the fact that they didn't read it? Can you stop strawmanning me and actually explain yourself without outright lying, please?

[Psyche]

hmm page 1 pretty terse

I agree that scum are more likely to be self-conscious, but my reading of 23 is that Gypyx feels self-conscious and is trying to cover it

quite a squint

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Sircakez

I do not like the pivot in answering my question from "using a lot of words to say not much" to "the motivation for attacking votes on them"

I just struggle to believe this push in general, i find Naerys and Klick's approach of just saying "yeah we do not want to play a game with this person" to be more natural and real

okay sure

[SirCakez]

Like this post is a long and convoluted way of basically calling Naerys and Klick's votes on them bad. This long ass argument boils down to "they don't understand my big brain posts so they voted me"

I'm thinking about that now. It's definitely an account gimmick which isn't AI but I'm looking at what might be motivating Deus' posts and I think there is more motivation to attack the votes on you as scum.

Are you implying that this is a comprehensive understanding of all of the posts I've made in this game? Or maybe, you're implying you only needed this single post to declare I'm saying 'not that much' in ALL of my posts, and that was enough for you to hop on a bandwagon?

1. You're completely neglecting to mention that the post you quoted HAS to be combined with post #67, since it's the only possible reason they both voted for me in the first place. So, you've already completely failed to prove that you understand my posts unless you start from post #67... Or otherwise, that you're not even TRYING to understand them, and you're just cherry-picking a single post of mine and giving a dishonest, fabricated interpretation.

But sure: let's imagine for a moment that the post you quoted is the only post I've made so far in the entire game. And then, instead of me making that post, I responded to their votes with 'your votes are bad', since you're claiming that it's an equivalent argument.


2. In your interpretation, I didn't make any effort to explain WHY their votes are bad, so what exactly are they supposed to say in response? "No they aren't"? And then maybe I'd respond with "Yes they are?" Is that perhaps how you believe a good game of mafia should play out?

Have you ever considered that if I provide more words to EXPLAIN why their votes are bad, that gives them MORE ways to argue that they aren't bad in response...? And that's the PROOF that I'm trying to solve the game, by giving them MORE INFORMATION to attempt to prove me wrong? And then they didn't even attempt to argue back, just wordlessly voted and started calling the game unfun because of 'walls of text'... And that's the PROOF that THEY aren't trying to solve the game?


3. Where did I ever state my posts are 'big brain'? Where did I ever state that they didn't understand my posts? At NO POINT did I suggest that my posts were smart in any way, NOR did I claim that they couldn't understand them. Try fucking reading the post again, and maybe you'll realise that what I'm implying is that they clearly DIDN'T EVEN READ THE POST IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Naerys was completely honest about it. She complained about a 'wall of text' and voted with no other explanation. Does that sound like someone who read the post to you? Is that seriously your 'understanding' of what I was saying? Meanwhile, Klick didn't even provide a reason. Why would I think that they didn't understand something when every piece of evidence points to the fact that they didn't read it? Can you stop strawmanning me and actually explain yourself without outright lying, please?

i'm not going into a wall war with you lol i don't have the time or patience for this
i am not at all interested in engaging in a philosophical argument here either

obviously post #67 (and your other similarly elaborate posts) triggered those votes on you, why else would you have been naked voted by those two people twice right after posting them? i think it's actually pretty reasonable that they didn't want to engage you after reading or even skimming that post because they are probably feeling the same way i am right now, which is god this game is going to be really unfun and painful to read

[SirCakez]

i am not coming back here for a bit this game is irritating me

[Deus Deceptor]

I wonder why this game is so terse? Well, allow me to share a little secret~

There is no Evil Demon. Only Deus Deceptor -

The Deceitful God

.

The answer is often hidden in plain sight.

Why do these 'players' default to refusing to engage with me, and representing that they find it 'unfun' to play with me?

They have all been me from the very first moment the game began. The only deceit was that this was a game with 9 players.

I am Klick.
I am SirCakez.
I am Naerys.
I am Robert2424.
I am Snow2697.

I am not Political Clout.
I am not Ausuka.
I am not Psyche.

The game? A complete farce, indeed! Why would I need to argue with myself?

[Deus Deceptor]

I am not Gypyx, either.

I suppose this is to say, that the game was rigged from the very beginning!