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[Gypyx]

1.8

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Brian Skies (4) :

Political Clout / BlackStar / SmileyDude1 / KayJayQueue

Political Clout (3) :

Davesaz / Brian Skies / yessiree

Random Nurse (2) :

Greeting / PenguinPower

StraightFlush (1) :

Hu Tao

greeting (1) :

Titus

Not Voting (2) :

Random Nurse / StraightFlush

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-25 13:02:46)

vote history

PenguinPower :

yessiree (8) -> Brian Skies (29) -> Random Nurse (118) -> Political Clout (284) -> KayJayQueue (405) -> Random Nurse (415)

yessiree :

PenguinPower (9) -> Political Clout (82) -> Hu Tao (121) -> Political Clout (316)

Davesaz :

greeting (13) -> Political Clout (76)

BlackStar :

Political Clout (18) -> Unvote(52) -> Random Nurse (90) -> Brian Skies (250)

KayJayQueue :

Brian Skies (22) -> Titus (95) -> Brian Skies (271)

Political Clout :

Politicial Clout (26) -> Brian Skies (151)

SmileyDude1 :

Brian Skies (27) -> Unvote (91) -> Davesaz (92) -> Unvote (256) -> Brian Skies (269)

Greeting :

BlackStar (70) -> Unvote (332) -> Random Nurse (335)

Brian Skies :

Political Clout (83)

TItus :

Random Nurse (94) -> Political Clout (285) -> Greeting (422)

StraightFlush :

yessiree (124) -> Brian Skies (216) -> Unvote (400)

Hu Tao :

yessiree (128) -> Brian Skies (419) -> Unvote (420) -> StraightFlush (421)

mod notes

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[StraightFlush]

Considering a vote on either Greeting or KayJayQueue. Perhaps Random Nurse too if he continues to get nowhere in terms of thread presence

[KayJayQueue]

Considering a vote on either Greeting or KayJayQueue. Perhaps Random Nurse too if he continues to get nowhere in terms of thread presence

What would be your reasoning for a vote on me?

[Political Clout]

@mod I am vla

[StraightFlush]

Considering a vote on either Greeting or KayJayQueue. Perhaps Random Nurse too if he continues to get nowhere in terms of thread presence

What would be your reasoning for a vote on me?

While I disagree with his methods/attittude to some extent, I think Penguin's desire to start a third wagon is towny atp. Targeting a null slot is often preferable to picking between wagons that you feel are TvT with some confidence.

[Gypyx]

@mod I am vla

got it

[KayJayQueue]

Considering a vote on either Greeting or KayJayQueue. Perhaps Random Nurse too if he continues to get nowhere in terms of thread presence

What would be your reasoning for a vote on me?

While I disagree with his methods/attittude to some extent, I think Penguin's desire to start a third wagon is towny atp. Targeting a null slot is often preferable to picking between wagons that you feel are TvT with some confidence.

Okay well I’m not sure if you’re saying I’m null because you believe I’m null or because penguin has a bad memory but either way I don’t think there’s anything I can say at the moment to de-nullify myself. If you vote me and it turns into a viable wagon, I will start kicking & screaming though lol

[SmileyDude1]

Tbh, Brian's recent postings relating to his wagon kind of don't feel like what I'd expect to come from scum there. Like their observation about players they know not joining their wagon feels like something I wouldn't expect scum in their position to focus on. I think I'm at a point where how I feel about the slot from a pure logical standpoint isn't matching up with how i'm currently perceiving their behavior and it's kind of annoying. Like I don't think Brian Skies progression really tracks at all, but the way their approaching their wagon feels somewhat passive towards those pushing them which is throwing me off.

My scum game is actually not that bad. I just never roll it.

quoting for ping

Brian, can I have you go deeper into your thoughts on PC. Was wondering what you were seeing there besides the rolefishing?

[SmileyDude1]

Going to go against the grain here a bit though, and say that I think this gamestate feels better than rand that PC/Brian isn't TvT. I just came out of a game where town didn't manage to wagon scum day 1, and the vibes i'm getting here feel different to the gamestate of that game.

viewtopic.php?t=92315

This is the game for reference, the day 1 there, a higher amount of flippancy was present (like there was a decent amount of "i'm fine with either"), there was a higher amount of hesitation in terms of pushing, and it kind of just felt like people didn't have a vested interest in who got limmed there (to the point where one of the players called this out shortly before that day ended).

Comparatively it just generally feels like people give more of a **** (innocent censor ) about who's getting flipped here that feels like there is something at stake there.

Like it could just be a different flavor of the same vibe, or the difference could be due to the playerlist, so I wouldn't say i'm sure on Brian/PC having scum there. I do think it feels better than rand though given the above.

[SmileyDude1]

Quick Readlist time
(Feel better about)
(Feel neutral/eh about)
(Feel worse about)

yellow

= stale read, should be adapted at some point. Though depending on pertinence and inner motivation (warding off my inner lazeball), I may not get around to all of these immediately.

(Blackstar,

greeting

,

Straightflush

, Political Clout)
(

PenguinPower

,Titus, Yessirree, Hu Tao, KayJayQueue)
(Random Nurse, Davesaz, Brian Skies)

greeting and straight were more mind meld reads (found myself agreeing with a lot of what they were saying), that part of my brain became paranoid of (though another part of my brain thinks it may be getting influenced by recent thread events). probs my top priorities in terms of a relook.

Penguin is a case where I feel like they've done a lot to the point they probs shouldn't be in neutral but I haven't gotten around to sorting it yet. Like my gut says it feels good, but I my brain says take another look to be sure. Don't find that one to be a particularly pertinent read to sort atm though.

Nurse and Dave also could be put into stale read given both of those suspicions date back to stuff that happened a while ago now, though I don't think either has really done much since then that warrants raising them. A case of need to see more in that seense

[SmileyDude1]

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

To be clear, HT you are implying that you took issue with Straight's 369 response to your 346 right?

[SmileyDude1]

htinking Brian is town here; gives off the energy from our last game where he was town and how confrontational he was. I also think he would know to have better optics as scum whereas town he would care less

liking my vote still, think I got something there. I find it a little odd how so many people seemed ready to defend Hu Tao. Could either be Hu's partner, or TMIing she's town. Think there's a good chance at hitting scum in that group

VOTE: PC

Also was wondering what changed for you on PC since you took this stance from earlier

Meh, i feel pc and bs are both town based on this page but i am still on vacay and need to read.

My pc read is stale and go vca.

Lean town on Brian.

Would still like an answer to the below btw, when you have time. Anyone else feel free to answer if you have input, pinging you two cause both of you explicitly stated a town lean on Brian

Those who town lean Brian can I have you respond to my case in 269 (presented below for convenience).

Looked through Brian's ISO starting from their original Political Clout vote and came away with a negative outlook

Spoiler: Quote Wall

VOTE: Political Clout

They originally vote PC here

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

This implies they voted there in order to create competing wagons for the benefit of scum hunting. I don't think their reasoning in 185 tracks with these initial postings. Like i get not pointing out the exact reasoning immediately if you think it should be apparent, but I feel like town in that position would've at least alluded to the fact that they were voting due to seeing scum-indicative behavior if that was the reasoning. The progression from this point doesn't feel natural to me.

Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

This is in response to PC's 179 and I don't think this makes sense either when looked at from the perspective of scumreading PC from before. This response assumes a level of good faith that I don't think matches with the stance they took in 185. I would expect Brian to be more immediately dubious of PC here given the stance they took if that was there natural thought process.

I'm not really convinced your vote on me is anything other than OMGUS.

This is the last post they made before their 185 and I think it has the same issue as the above post. I feel like calling PC's vote an OMGUS there also kind of assumes a level of good faith that doesn't match here. Like OMGUS does have negative connotation, but it leaves room for "misguided townie making a bad vote" in such a way that it feels dissonant given the stated thought process indicates that Brian would've believed that PC is more likely scum than town at this point. I could see this post being an attempt at giving themselves an off-ramp with 185 coming afterwards when PC doesn't back down.

It kind of gets into heated back and forth between the two slots afterwards that I don't think I have enough expertise with emotions to accurately sort (not to mention I don't think i'd get much out of it anyways)

Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.

VOTE: Brian

It's post midnight where I am right now, will probs be back tomorrow

And I think that's it for now. Sorry for spamming the thread a bit, will let it cool off

[StraightFlush]

Quick Readlist time
(Feel better about)
(Feel neutral/eh about)
(Feel worse about)

yellow

= stale read, should be adapted at some point. Though depending on pertinence and inner motivation (warding off my inner lazeball), I may not get around to all of these immediately.

(Blackstar,

greeting

,

Straightflush

, Political Clout)
(

PenguinPower

,Titus, Yessirree, Hu Tao, KayJayQueue)
(Random Nurse, Davesaz, Brian Skies)

greeting and straight were more mind meld reads (found myself agreeing with a lot of what they were saying), that part of my brain became paranoid of (though another part of my brain thinks it may be getting influenced by recent thread events). probs my top priorities in terms of a relook.

Penguin is a case where I feel like they've done a lot to the point they probs shouldn't be in neutral but I haven't gotten around to sorting it yet. Like my gut says it feels good, but I my brain says take another look to be sure. Don't find that one to be a particularly pertinent read to sort atm though.

Nurse and Dave also could be put into stale read given both of those suspicions date back to stuff that happened a while ago now, though I don't think either has really done much since then that warrants raising them. A case of need to see more in that seense

Decent list, but I find it hard to believe that Titus and yessiree could be anything resembling null at present. Perhaps a better explanation is in order.

[Hu Tao]

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

To be clear, HT you are implying that you took issue with Straight's 369 response to your 346 right?

Yes

[SmileyDude1]

Quick Readlist time
(Feel better about)
(Feel neutral/eh about)
(Feel worse about)

yellow

= stale read, should be adapted at some point. Though depending on pertinence and inner motivation (warding off my inner lazeball), I may not get around to all of these immediately.

(Blackstar,

greeting

,

Straightflush

, Political Clout)
(

PenguinPower

,Titus, Yessirree, Hu Tao, KayJayQueue)
(Random Nurse, Davesaz, Brian Skies)

greeting and straight were more mind meld reads (found myself agreeing with a lot of what they were saying), that part of my brain became paranoid of (though another part of my brain thinks it may be getting influenced by recent thread events). probs my top priorities in terms of a relook.

Penguin is a case where I feel like they've done a lot to the point they probs shouldn't be in neutral but I haven't gotten around to sorting it yet. Like my gut says it feels good, but I my brain says take another look to be sure. Don't find that one to be a particularly pertinent read to sort atm though.

Nurse and Dave also could be put into stale read given both of those suspicions date back to stuff that happened a while ago now, though I don't think either has really done much since then that warrants raising them. A case of need to see more in that seense

Decent list, but I find it hard to believe that Titus and yessiree could be anything resembling null at present. Perhaps a better explanation is in order.

In this case. I think both of these are just cases of slots that I felt had reads on a smaller bandwidth of players then the tier above for me to judge off of. Titus feels like they're generally making decisions that benefit the gamestate, but she just hasn't really outted much in terms of reads on other players (main instances to the contrary being Brian and greeting). Yes feels closer to a read i'd consider stale, I think their response to your inquiry earlier to feel fine. Kind of has the same reasoning as Titus where their stance and contribution in regards to wagons feel good, but it seems to come at a cost of individual reads feeling vague. Came to the conclusion on Yes a while ago though (like to the point I kind of forgot why I'd originally put them there), so that probs is another slot I need to reread again at some point.

Will say that I feel strongest on Brian right now, and that is also causing a slight penalty to be incurred for the above two (like if I were to preflip Brian!Scum, my brain's immediate gut reaction is to look there), though I don't really like doing team solving like that until scum has actually flipped (tbh even then I wouldn't say it's my go to, feel like i'm more of a 1 step at a time type when it comes to these things) so the effect there is minor.

[SmileyDude1]

1.8

Flavor coming a bit later

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Brian Skies (4) :

Political Clout / BlackStar / SmileyDude1 / KayJayQueue

Political Clout (3) :

Davesaz / Brian Skies / yessiree

Random Nurse (2) :

Greeting / PenguinPower

StraightFlush (1) :

Hu Tao

greeting (1) :

Titus

Not Voting (2) :

Random Nurse / StraightFlush

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-25 13:02:46)

vote history

PenguinPower :

yessiree (8) -> Brian Skies (29) -> Random Nurse (118) -> Political Clout (284) -> KayJayQueue (405) -> Random Nurse (415)

yessiree :

PenguinPower (9) -> Political Clout (82) -> Hu Tao (121) -> Political Clout (316)

Davesaz :

greeting (13) -> Political Clout (76)

BlackStar :

Political Clout (18) -> Unvote(52) -> Random Nurse (90) -> Brian Skies (250)

KayJayQueue :

Brian Skies (22) -> Titus (95) -> Brian Skies (271)

Political Clout :

Politicial Clout (26) -> Brian Skies (151)

SmileyDude1 :

Brian Skies (27) -> Unvote (91) -> Davesaz (92) -> Unvote (256) -> SmileyDude1 (269)

Greeting :

BlackStar (70) -> Unvote (332) -> Random Nurse (335)

Brian Skies :

Political Clout (83)

TItus :

Random Nurse (94) -> Political Clout (285) -> Greeting (422)

StraightFlush :

yessiree (124) -> Brian Skies (216) -> Unvote (400)

Hu Tao :

yessiree (128) -> Brian Skies (419) -> Unvote (420) -> StraightFlush (421)

mod notes

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@Gypyx

, there's an error in my vote history btw. I voted Brian Skies in my 269 not myself.

[yessiree]

beat the prod

will be catching up today at work

[Greeting]

Then again, I feel icky about jumping on the

Brian Skies

wagon, because I could very well see their posts coming from a townie perspective and also I feel icky about most people who already are voting them.

What do you think a better vote is?

I think

Random Nurse

contributed very little and I'm happy with that wagon building up. The posts I read while running his ISO seemed like he really had nothing to say even in the few times when he did post.

VOTE: Random Nurse

I disagree with the premise of this vote. Nurse has been inactive for a while for unknown reasons to the point of a modprod, and we've had zero chance to see them catch up to important thread activities like the Brian wagon, the whole PC v. Brian thing, Titus actually doing stuff, etc. Not really reasonable to go here until he's engaged again

How do you feel about his most recent posts?

[Greeting]

Greeting you are a double voter. Vote one of the 2 and I'll quickly hammer.

I'd say Random too but he probably won't do it

There’s no rush.

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting

Somebody ought to cop Brian and PC but I feel Greeting's scum that didn't want to decide.

There’s no rush to decide. And I will not be pressured into building up either wagon until I read into them myself.

[StraightFlush]

How do you feel about his most recent posts?

NAI in a vacuum but when you combine it with just how long it’s been since he was really substantive it starts to get concerning. Definitely more amenable to voting him than I would’ve been three days ago

[yessiree]

what

both but to your question titus

what a weird thing to double down on...you ok?

hardly his fault when you're mysterious like the dark side of the moon

[yessiree]

ITT everyone is gaslighting me.

What do you think that term means, and how does it apply to "everyone"?

Where are you going with this?

Finding out what, or who, you think is gaslighting.

I wanna talk about brian but I will go back and look at it. from the the three that talked about it iirc it was yessirree. Their vote on me needs explanation too. they have hardly commented on my slot. they hard town read brian not from meta but from what I perceive as a rule of thumb on what scum might do I don't buy it.

Spoiler:

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

this is your premise for scumreading brian, i found it pretty disingenuous, but it was whatever, chalked it off to early game shenanigans

but you've pretty much tunnelled on this read throughout the entire game, like everything hinges on this brian scumread of yours, and that doesn't feel like a genuine townie mindset. it feels more like scum pressured to "lock in" his scumread for appearances sake

[yessiree]

UNVOTE:

I have reached the conclusion that if Brian is scum, then he is an inconceivably bad player. I am not ready to make that assumption.

you haven't seen my scum game then

[yessiree]

Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scum

Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian

VOTE: brian

UNVOTE:

Actually nvm for now

this makes sense