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Black · Post Post #28 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:14 am

VOTE: Koba

Black · Post Post #53 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:22 am

I think it's pretty clear Ketchup's Koba vote is a joke

Black · Post Post #58 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:26 am

56 kinda feels like a townie post

Black · Post Post #60 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:28 am

In post 55, usesPython wrote: The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

?

Black · Post Post #65 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:38 am

In post 63, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 58, Black wrote: 56 kinda feels like a townie post
in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Why do you think disengagement is scummy?

Black · Post Post #70 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:07 am

In post 66, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 65, Black wrote:
In post 63, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 58, Black wrote: 56 kinda feels like a townie post
in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss
Why do you think disengagement is scummy?
mafia lack motivation to scumhunt if they know everyone’s alignment so will be more likely to get caught in their web of lies, no?

Sure but in this case where is the web of lies? Why would scum!PC lie about thinking you don't have an RVS vote when it can be easily proven that you did?

Black · Post Post #77 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:32 am

In post 72, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 70, Black wrote:
In post 66, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 65, Black wrote:
In post 63, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 58, Black wrote: 56 kinda feels like a townie post
in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss
Why do you think disengagement is scummy?
mafia lack motivation to scumhunt if they know everyone’s alignment so will be more likely to get caught in their web of lies, no?
Sure but in this case where is the web of lies? Why would scum!PC lie about thinking you don't have an RVS vote when it can be easily proven that you did?
I don’t think it was a lie, I believe it was an accident. I just think the accident is more likely to come from maf doing a half-hearted job of scumhunting than an awesomely excited very eager to catch all of the mafia townie (hi you’re going down mafalafs)

Ohh ok I see what you're saying now

Black · Post Post #80 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:32 am

I disagree but I understand your thought process now

Black · Post Post #81 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:33 am

In post 78, light_ganski wrote:
In post 58, Black wrote: 56 kinda feels like a townie post
is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

Black · Post Post #82 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:34 am

In post 79, usesPython wrote:
In post 60, Black wrote:
In post 55, usesPython wrote: The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC
?
Elaborate

I didn't understand what you were getting at but then you explained

Black · Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:34 am

In post 43, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 31, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 30, light_ganski wrote:
In post 29, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 27, light_ganski wrote: let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew
Nuh uh
any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?
Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill
Sus

Why do you think this statement is more likely to come from scum

Black · Post Post #87 (isolation #11) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:44 am

In post 84, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 81, Black wrote:
In post 78, light_ganski wrote:
In post 58, Black wrote: 56 kinda feels like a townie post
is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?
Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate
I mean he said he’s eager but I’m not seeing any eagerness to fix anything

In post 85, ketchup777 wrote: it has only been 72 mins but he could’ve stopped to go talk about it in the thread of buddies with guns

That's possible. I could be wrong. It's only a weak gut read

Black · Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:44 am

In post 86, ketchup777 wrote: I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

You're not!

Black · Post Post #94 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:14 am

In post 93, light_ganski wrote:
In post 81, Black wrote:
In post 78, light_ganski wrote:
In post 58, Black wrote: 56 kinda feels like a townie post
is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?
Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate
I'm not saying you're wrong, but this feels very premature

How? It's a gut read. I'm not locktowning him

Black · Post Post #106 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:49 am

VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

Black · Post Post #143 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:11 am

In post 138, ketchup777 wrote: I'm just not confident in reads yet.

This is believable. Titus has scumread me before for fencesitting early in a game and this was my reasoning

Black · Post Post #153 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:16 am

In post 144, Titus wrote:
In post 143, Black wrote:
In post 138, ketchup777 wrote: I'm just not confident in reads yet.
This is believable. Titus has scumread me before for fencesitting early in a game and this was my reasoning
Are you saying I am believable or ketchup is?

Also, @Ketchup, if you understand my logic, why are you claiming to be confused and voting me?

ketchup

Black · Post Post #155 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:17 am

In post 147, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 106, Black wrote: VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already
I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I've only briefly played with her when she was town. Can you go into this read a little further?

Black · Post Post #156 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:18 am

In post 154, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 147, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 106, Black wrote: VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already
I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?
I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons

Can you try to explain the townie vibes you're getting?

Black · Post Post #176 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:39 am

In post 172, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 155, Black wrote:
In post 147, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 106, Black wrote: VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already
I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?
I've only briefly played with her when she was town. Can you go into this read a little further?
She was more inactive. But I guess this is a smaller game. It's not that strong a read.

What game was this

Black · Post Post #186 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:10 pm

In post 185, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 183, JacksonVirgo wrote: you're my top acupressure at the moment
):

I’ll keep trying to help you see the light.
last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

Do you think JV is town?

Black · Post Post #200 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:20 pm

In post 189, JacksonVirgo wrote: Ok, Black is Town. We love that

Why am I town

Black · Post Post #203 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:21 pm

In post 193, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 191, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 187, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 185, ketchup777 wrote: last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical
You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?
am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did
Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?

In post 198, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 196, ketchup777 wrote: mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?
What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Mmhmm

Black · Post Post #205 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:22 pm

In post 202, JacksonVirgo wrote: I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

Black · Post Post #215 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:28 pm

In post 206, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 198, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 196, ketchup777 wrote: mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?
What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.
Oh ok i see.

Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

This kinda feels like reasoning made up after ketchup was called out for talking to JV like he's town

Black · Post Post #216 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:29 pm

VOTE: ketchup

Black · Post Post #218 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:30 pm

In post 208, Ranger wrote:
In post 200, Black wrote:Why am I town
You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,
obviously
.

In post 210, Ranger wrote:
In post 208, Ranger wrote:
In post 200, Black wrote:Why am I town
You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,
obviously
.
(This is meant to trigger Dannflor whenever he reads this game as a spectator/replacement.)

Black · Post Post #235 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:46 pm

In post 225, ketchup777 wrote: Ok it seems like I’m inadvertently digging myself into holes. Full disclosure, I may have kind of blindsided on not thinking about Jackson’s alignment, but I was scared to admit that after both of you were on me for it.

So were you just pretending like you didn't know why we were sus of you? In 196 you said you thought I was just probing. You shouldn't have thought I was "on you" for the way you talked to Jackson when you wrote 206

Black · Post Post #239 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:49 pm

In post 235, Black wrote:
In post 225, ketchup777 wrote: Ok it seems like I’m inadvertently digging myself into holes. Full disclosure, I may have kind of blindsided on not thinking about Jackson’s alignment, but I was scared to admit that after both of you were on me for it.
So were you just pretending like you didn't know why we were sus of you? In 196 you said you thought I was just probing. You shouldn't have thought I was "on you" for the way you talked to Jackson when you wrote 206

Eh, nvm on this. I got the order of events wrong

Black · Post Post #250 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:55 pm

LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad

Black · Post Post #256 (isolation #30) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:08 pm

VOTE: LG

Black · Post Post #262 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:16 pm

In post 257, light_ganski wrote:
In post 250, Black wrote: LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad
I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*

fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game

Is there any reason why you didn't say that when you read my reasoning? What do you think about the other votes on you?

Black · Post Post #269 (isolation #32) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:35 pm

In post 266, ketchup777 wrote: VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.
In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum

Black · Post Post #270 (isolation #33) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:37 pm

In post 268, light_ganski wrote:
In post 262, Black wrote:
In post 257, light_ganski wrote:
In post 250, Black wrote: LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad
I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*

fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game
Is there any reason why you didn't say that when you read my reasoning? What do you think about the other votes on you?
because I was still thinking about whether it meant anything beyond "I'm town, but we're barely out of rvs and this is the best reason I have to SR someone". if you'd made the same vote D2, or even 20 pages in, it would have been a much more immediate red flag rather than just a yellow one

the other two votes seemed very sheep-y which I don't think means *that* much in the first five pages. python, it's very early but the few posts they've made don't feel like scum!python from the one game I've been in with them. koba seems very neutral (like beyond the vote, I've no reason to disbelieve the miller claim, I don't like the traitor soft joke but it's not something I want to read into without more evidence).

Hmmm. Ok

Black · Post Post #273 (isolation #34) » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:51 pm

In post 271, light_ganski wrote:
In post 269, Black wrote:
In post 266, ketchup777 wrote: VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.
In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum
again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

I wouldn't classify ketchup as LHF at all. In the last game we played he was pretty obviously town. I'm not getting the same vibes here yet

Black · Post Post #397 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:30 am

In post 318, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 280, Laplacian wrote: also are we still RVS shitposting or is it tryhard time? want to check before I reread the thread
I think you're scum so far. You seem different even in the limited posts

In post 320, Laplacian wrote:
In post 318, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 280, Laplacian wrote: also are we still RVS shitposting or is it tryhard time? want to check before I reread the thread
I think you're scum so far. You seem different even in the limited posts
Yeah, its because I'm not socialist posting like last day 1. You seem townier than last few games tho

Not liking this response from Laplacian. It feels like he could be trying to get her off of him by saying she's townie

Black · Post Post #398 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:31 am

In post 335, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 324, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 310, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 306, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 174, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 171, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 154, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 147, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 106, Black wrote: VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already
I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?
I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons
What about me do you think is towny so far?
159 but basically you just feel like the same person as in Thomith‘s game. if you’re amazing at maintaining the same personality whenever, then darn you’ve got me!for now

I know you say that you try to aim for it Hu, but there is definitely something about your town game I don't see in your scum game.

I guess Mafia has a Cop is the best example of what I mean.
What do you think so far of me now then?
Definitely on the townie side of things, but as I have said in previous games......you are scary haha

Agreed

Black · Post Post #399 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:34 am

In post 338, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 328, light_ganski wrote:
In post 317, Doctor Drew wrote: I do have a slightly tinfoil scum team of Black and JV right now
could you elaborate?

In post 329, light_ganski wrote: specifically why both of them together?
Just their interactions they have had, seems 'off' to me, and not in a way two buddies would interact in game, at least early on.......but in a way that scum and a traitor would interact in game when they have 'found each other'.

Again, this is a bit tinfoily......but making me squint at both of them.

I do hope I can dance with both of them sometime soon to see if there is actually any juice to squeeze there.

What about our interactions makes you feel this way?

Also we can dance whenever you're ready. You know I'll never turn you down

Black · Post Post #400 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:36 am

In post 355, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 354, usesPython wrote:
In post 352, Doctor Drew wrote: But this python
wdym
Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy

I don't think Lap is scum here

I don't understand why this makes Lap town

Black · Post Post #401 (isolation #39) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:38 am

Fully agree with python on page 15. Not liking koba on this page

Black · Post Post #402 (isolation #40) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:40 am

In post 389, light_ganski wrote: Black and Jackson's conversation about Jackson's black TR is also pinging me from that ISO in a not good way

Why

Black · Post Post #403 (isolation #41) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:41 am

Ok you explain in the next post but I'm still not seeing it

Black · Post Post #404 (isolation #42) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:42 am

In post 396, JacksonVirgo wrote: Peace, gonna watch some Shameless and then come back later. Cya

SUCH a good show

Black · Post Post #405 (isolation #43) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:45 am

VOTE: Lap

Black · Post Post #456 (isolation #44) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:15 am

python town

Black · Post Post #457 (isolation #45) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:16 am

In post 454, DkKoba wrote: lol why are people afraid of directly interacting with anything ive said

I think you just need attention and don't like that you're not getting it

Black · Post Post #477 (isolation #46) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:36 am

In post 473, Titus wrote:
In post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.
Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Why would scum!JV be panicking here?

Black · Post Post #520 (isolation #47) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 6:37 am

Ok maybe ketchup is town

Black · Post Post #528 (isolation #48) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 6:56 am

In post 527, DkKoba wrote: Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

Why did you try to start wagons on Titus and Ranger instead of just joining the Lap wagon?

Black · Post Post #537 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:28 am

In post 534, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 520, Black wrote: Ok maybe ketchup is town
How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

Black · Post Post #538 (isolation #50) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:28 am

In post 535, DkKoba wrote:
In post 528, Black wrote:
In post 527, DkKoba wrote: Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve
Why did you try to start wagons on Titus and Ranger instead of just joining the Lap wagon?
Cuz I like competing wagons

That's fair

Black · Post Post #539 (isolation #51) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:29 am

In post 536, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 525, Alianna wrote:
1.12
Votecount 1.12

Laplacian (3): Hu Tao, light_ganski, Black
ketchup777 (2): Titus, JacksonVirgo
usesPython (2): Laplacian
light_ganski (1): Doctor Drew
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
DkKoba (1): usesPython
Ranger (1): DkKoba

Not Voting (3): Arko, Political Clout, ketchup777

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-09 00:53:57).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

No consensus

Seems normal considering we're 36 hours into the game

Black · Post Post #582 (isolation #52) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:47 pm

In post 543, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 537, Black wrote:
In post 534, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 520, Black wrote: Ok maybe ketchup is town
How so?
He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?
I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I think he could be good at faking his town self as scum. Like maybe ketchup realized what it took for him to get a bunch of townreads in the last game and started to emulate that once getting pushed here. I think it's probably more likely he's just town though

Black · Post Post #585 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:47 pm

In post 544, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 543, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 537, Black wrote:
In post 534, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 520, Black wrote: Ok maybe ketchup is town
How so?
He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?
I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.
I probably would have made 50 posts instead of 119

But guessing ofc

Do you think the best strategy as scum is to lurk and post less?

Black · Post Post #587 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:49 pm

In post 554, JacksonVirgo wrote: Okay I think ketchup actually is Town, not because of 552

Why then?

Black · Post Post #588 (isolation #55) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:49 pm

In post 556, ketchup777 wrote: pedit: hell yeahhh

Are you not curious at all why JV suddenly reversed course on you?

Black · Post Post #597 (isolation #56) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:02 pm

In post 593, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 590, ketchup777 wrote: I hadn’t worked out if I was going to look back at what I did or just go into it as me if I rolled scum, but was glad when my green PM simplified things.
It's posts like these that give me the heebie jeebies

I agree but they made posts like that all the time in the last game

Black · Post Post #598 (isolation #57) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:03 pm

In post 596, JacksonVirgo wrote: Yo Black, why do you have Twilight Princess as a title anyway

Because I'm cool like that

Black · Post Post #599 (isolation #58) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:04 pm

(Serious answer, people suggested it for me and I accepted it in this thread)

Black · Post Post #612 (isolation #59) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:51 pm

In post 602, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 579, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 576, Doctor Drew wrote: Umm, you have made a big to do, and still are, that you are not tunneled even though you are..... that's what I mean.
Am I high? A big to do?
Is that an American only phrase?

Like making a big stink about something, or making a spectacle over something.

Whoa I didn't know Jackson was Australian

Black · Post Post #640 (isolation #60) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:26 pm

In post 631, Laplacian wrote: Skimmed everything, ketchup feels more towny with every post. Can't tell if JV is tunneled or scum. Either way, yelling about how they're not tunneled just makes them look more tunneled and scummy. Willing to vote there

I don't understand this read. If yelling about not being tunneled makes him seem more tunneled then why does that make him seem scummier?

Black · Post Post #746 (isolation #61) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:09 am

In post 709, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 626, Titus wrote: I lost my trial.
Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

Black · Post Post #767 (isolation #62) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:08 am

In post 762, JacksonVirgo wrote: Top two wagons have 4 votes, the rest have one or none. This doesn't feel right

What do you mean

Black · Post Post #768 (isolation #63) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:10 am

My top two scumreads are the leading wagons. Seems right to me

Black · Post Post #776 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:03 am

In post 770, DkKoba wrote:
In post 768, Black wrote: My top two scumreads are the leading wagons. Seems right to me
what makes light ganski scum?

It's mostly gut based on the way she called my townread premature. Her responses to me after that didn't really move the needle that much

Black · Post Post #793 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:14 am

Ranger can you link a scum game of yours that's not the one that just ended

Black · Post Post #799 (isolation #66) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:29 am

In post 473, Titus wrote:
In post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.
Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Can you answer 477

Black · Post Post #802 (isolation #67) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:36 am

In post 800, usesPython wrote:
In post 789, Doctor Drew wrote: I am do try to be respectful of real life stuff, but do find Pythons lack of engagement odd here

Maybe I just miss them
We spent the past three days handling a lot more rl stuff than usual, we should be free for a few days until more rl hits

Just in time for me to disappear for the weekend

Black · Post Post #834 (isolation #68) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:38 am

In post 826, ketchup777 wrote: UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone

I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote

Black · Post Post #850 (isolation #69) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:57 am

In post 837, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 834, Black wrote:
In post 826, ketchup777 wrote: UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone
I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote
I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

In post 842, ketchup777 wrote: If you actually are town I don’t want to force you into claiming

In post 843, ketchup777 wrote: Part of my vote on you is also a VCA social experiment

In post 845, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 809, Ranger wrote: {JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}
{usesPython, Black}
{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Doctor Drew}
{Titus}
{DKKoba}
{light_ganski}
{Laplacian}

P26
Ok now I’m liking the list more, although I still think Koba is time after getting high

It feels like there is a disconnect here. You like Ranger's list which I'm assuming means Lap is your #1 suspect too, but you were afraid of him being at e-1 because you don't want him to claim, and you don't want him to claim because he might be town? Am I understanding that correctly

Also I'm not sure why you're mentioning the social experiment here? It feels like you're trying to justify unvoting for Lap. What is the experiment and how big of a factor was it in your vote?

Black · Post Post #869 (isolation #70) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:20 pm

In post 853, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 850, Black wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 837, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 834, Black wrote:
In post 826, ketchup777 wrote: UNVOTE:

Because I have no idea what’s happened while I’ve been gone
I'm curious about the thought process behind this unvote
I noticed people voting people at the end when I logged on and didn’t want to accidentally be E-1ing Laplacian. I think it’s good so might hop back on in a min but yeah caution first

In post 842, ketchup777 wrote: If you actually are town I don’t want to force you into claiming

In post 843, ketchup777 wrote: Part of my vote on you is also a VCA social experiment

In post 845, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 809, Ranger wrote: {JacksonVirgo, ketchup777}
{usesPython, Black}
{Political Clout, Hu Tao}
{Doctor Drew}
{Titus}
{DKKoba}
{light_ganski}
{Laplacian}

P26
Ok now I’m liking the list more, although I still think Koba is time after getting high

It feels like there is a disconnect here. You like Ranger's list which I'm assuming means Lap is your #1 suspect too, but you were afraid of him being at e-1 because you don't want him to claim, and you don't want him to claim because he might be town? Am I understanding that correctly

Also I'm not sure why you're mentioning the social experiment here? It feels like you're trying to justify unvoting for Lap. What is the experiment and how big of a factor was it in your vote?
Nope, my top suspect is probably still Ranger. I never claimed that Lap was my top scumvote, but I can understand why someone would put him up there. Basically I’ll let people differ in reads unless it seems wayyy out.

I probably made it sound overly fancy, just like 'what happens? who jumps on?' instincts tell me that the people who jump fourth, fifth, sixth onto wagons are a bit sus (why do i keep jumping on at sus points frick)

Why Ranger? And why would you rather go back to the Lap wagon instead of vote for her?

Black · Post Post #878 (isolation #71) » Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:28 pm

The lists are NAI for Ranger. If you're voting her because of the lists then it's a waste of time

Black · Post Post #1125 (isolation #72) » Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:51 pm

I was feeling good about my LG inno until I read the thread

Black · Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:02 pm

In post 1119, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 1065, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1062, Hu Tao wrote: Man. I was about to come into today upset at koba. Because Lap's claim sounded like it was there to find miller's. But I was also going to say koba was probably town for it because of Lap's role. But now I'm shook. Also why would scum even kill the Miller claim.
I'm upset Lap went out but it is what it is. I think Drew is town from that, so at least there's that.
I’ve made thoughts on other stuff I’ll share after school later, but just for now why does drew look good? Wouldn’t it have been normal to wait a day and let lap either claim some results or be killed overnight? Why rush to the hammer?

I like that ketchup is picking up on this because I also thought the way Drew handled Lap's claim was kinda scummy

Black · Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:03 pm

In post 1133, usesPython wrote:
In post 1118, Enchant wrote:
In post 1077, JacksonVirgo wrote: Mhm, wolves probably have Godfathers to any degree and their announcement is probably the thing one thing that isn't normal.
Godfathers are normal now.
Godfathers are normal
if announced beforehand

Wait so it has to be announced that Godfathers are in the game? Does that mean the innos are real?

Black · Post Post #1196 (isolation #75) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:05 am

VOTE: LG

Black · Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 am

In post 1334, Hu Tao wrote: I was so excited for this game since I was finally cop and now I got tricked I feel deflated today ngl

Hu might be town for this because same

Black · Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 am

I tried reading some of the spec talk and Ranger vs. Titus but my eyes started to glaze over

Black · Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:38 am

In post 1344, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 1343, Black wrote: I tried reading some of the spec talk and Ranger vs. Titus but my eyes started to glaze over
you can read it after light spawns

You can't make me

Black · Post Post #1406 (isolation #79) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:56 am

In post 1355, Titus wrote: Why is light a wagon?

Do you have any thoughts on Light or the wagon itself? This feels shallow

Black · Post Post #1407 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:58 am

In post 1387, light_ganski wrote: oh wait she thinks I'm a godfather nvm (I'm not ftr)

Oh light says she's not a godfather. Damn guess we were wrong bois let's pack it up

Black · Post Post #1408 (isolation #81) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:59 am

VOTE: Titus

Black · Post Post #1412 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:10 am

In post 1410, Titus wrote: Calling light and Black partners. There is a reason to vote light (counterwagon from yesterday) but I wanted to hear someone say it to compare if they usually do that. Black jumping off at the first motion elsewhere is suspicious rather than giving a reason. She wants to be on the light wagon if it takes but would rather vote town.

VOTE: Light

I unvoted as a joke. I guess that wasn't clear

I'm still down to fade LG

Black · Post Post #1415 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:15 am

It would have ruined the joke but I guess it wasn't that funny to begin with

VOTE: LG

Black · Post Post #1416 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:16 am

Titus can you answer 1406

Black · Post Post #1418 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:23 am

Oh I thought that was someone else that voted Light. I just confused myself

Black · Post Post #1427 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:10 am

In post 1419, Titus wrote: Strongly leaning pc scum as well.

Why?

Black · Post Post #1456 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:37 am

In post 1407, Black wrote:
In post 1387, light_ganski wrote: oh wait she thinks I'm a godfather nvm (I'm not ftr)
Oh light says she's not a godfather. Damn guess we were wrong bois let's pack it up

In post 1408, Black wrote:VOTE: Titus

In post 1410, Titus wrote: Calling light and Black partners. There is a reason to vote light (counterwagon from yesterday) but I wanted to hear someone say it to compare if they usually do that. Black jumping off at the first motion elsewhere is suspicious rather than giving a reason. She wants to be on the light wagon if it takes but would rather vote town.

VOTE: Light

This feels overly defensive and a little panicky

Black · Post Post #1469 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:45 am

I wish I was high

Black · Post Post #1478 (isolation #89) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:52 am

In post 1473, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1469, Black wrote: I wish I was high
Same, come join me after I finish work

Ok! Buy my plane ticket?

Black · Post Post #1482 (isolation #90) » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:55 am

Wow that was fast. Says it'll take 20 hours to get to Australia so I'll see you tomorrow

Black · Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:56 pm

In post 1498, Titus wrote: Enchant might be scum. It's unlikely and tabling.

Light Drew Ranger Black is my scumpool with Ranger being the least likely.

What happened to your PC scumread?

Black · Post Post #1541 (isolation #92) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:57 am

Reading over the EoD stuff again I think Drew's reaction to Lap's claim makes a lot of sense in a scum!Drew world. If scum has one or multiple godfathers then Lap's role probably scared the shit out of them to the point where they really wanted that fade to go through

I think this probably implicates PC too but I've gotten townie vibes from PC otherwise. I haven't gotten those vibes from Drew

Black · Post Post #1542 (isolation #93) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:17 am

In post 1502, Titus wrote:
In post 1500, Black wrote:
In post 1498, Titus wrote: Enchant might be scum. It's unlikely and tabling.

Light Drew Ranger Black is my scumpool with Ranger being the least likely.
What happened to your PC scumread?
I waffle on it. One thing that isn't how I would react isn't a slip and I don't know PC enough to determine if it is or not. The behavior I see around light and myself is a bit more disturbing. PC's not a townread but not a biggest scumread.

Did you not consider that when you wrote 1419?

Black · Post Post #1546 (isolation #94) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:18 am

In post 1544, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1541, Black wrote: Reading over the EoD stuff again I think Drew's reaction to Lap's claim makes a lot of sense in a scum!Drew world. If scum has one or multiple godfathers then Lap's role probably scared the shit out of them to the point where they really wanted that fade to go through

I think this probably implicates PC too but I've gotten townie vibes from PC otherwise. I haven't gotten those vibes from Drew
It also makes sense in a town!drew world

Yeah perhaps

Black · Post Post #1548 (isolation #95) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:20 am

In post 1545, JacksonVirgo wrote: Interesting, I got a wave of scummy vibe from Black just now. Not sure if that's because I feel that was a silly argument to make, or if they're scum but worth noting

Do you think I make silly arguments as scum?

Black · Post Post #1551 (isolation #96) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:26 am

In post 1550, JacksonVirgo wrote: It feels like you're picking and choosing what to believe in to focus onto Drew from that post

I haven't made a decision on whether or not I think Drew is scum, I just wanted to be open with my thought process

What is your read on Drew?

Black · Post Post #1555 (isolation #97) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:35 am

In post 1552, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1551, Black wrote:
In post 1550, JacksonVirgo wrote: It feels like you're picking and choosing what to believe in to focus onto Drew from that post
I haven't made a decision on whether or not I think Drew is scum, I just wanted to be open with my thought process

What is your read on Drew?
Sure, I never said that the agenda was 100% committing to push Drew. I feel you're testing the waters more than anything as well as giving yourself a backdoor to get out with the PC statement but wanting to push Drew and seeing if that shit lands. You asking my read on Drew too is lol, but that's confbias and a half so I won't go further with that I town-read him

I'm sorry if you've said your Drew read recently. I've just been skimming over the recent pages because a lot of it involves stuff that makes my brain hurt. Why do you townread him?

Black · Post Post #1572 (isolation #98) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:25 am

In post 1557, JacksonVirgo wrote: his behaviour at the end of the day felt like it was unlikely to come from wolf

Why?

In post 1557, JacksonVirgo wrote: About your post on him though, if you think the logic implicates Drew and PC. You say you think PC is townie (or townier than base) would that not mean that by extension the logic is not effective to use. It shouldn't apply to one and not the other

If the behavior is NAI then it's up to us to determine what alignment we think it's coming from. I agree that the logic probably isn't super effective but that's not going to stop me from sharing my thought process. I like calling things out for post game cred in case I'm right

Black · Post Post #1577 (isolation #99) » Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:04 am

In post 1559, ketchup777 wrote: asking again did anyone crumb cop day 1?

I never crumb. I should probably get in the habit but I always forget

Black · Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:38 am

In post 1602, light_ganski wrote:
In post 1585, Titus wrote:
In post 249, Titus wrote:
In post 208, Ranger wrote:
In post 200, Black wrote:Why am I town
You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,
obviously
.
But we're masons #jealous. Don't go break my heart tonight.
Here's a subtle crumb. Ranger's town unless she breaks my heart (by being a scum check).
e
hasn't every player except enchant claimed investigative? which means at least two have gotta be scum checks?

I don't understand what you are trying to say here

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:07 am

In post 1643, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1640, JacksonVirgo wrote: I want Black but if hammer is being risked gotta step this badboy up, talk tomorrow byee
It has been bothering me how she is twisting my eod actions into just one narrative instead of looking at all angles(which I believe townBlack would do), so I could flash wagon her.

I was looking at all angles though. That's why I didn't vote you

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:14 am

In post 1673, usesPython wrote:
In post 1541, Black wrote: Reading over the EoD stuff again I think Drew's reaction to Lap's claim makes a lot of sense in a scum!Drew world. If scum has one or multiple godfathers then Lap's role probably scared the shit out of them to the point where they really wanted that fade to go through
This would require scum Drew to not only expect Disloyal Cop to be the designated cop type but also expect that everyone's some type of Cop (Since otherwise if not he'd be claiming the second ungated cop in a mini which would be an incredibly tough sell compared to just shooting Lap at night)

If Drew is a godfather wouldn't he see the disloyal cop as the biggest threat to him and try to convince others to push the wagon through like he did?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:16 am

JV could be a light partner if she flips scum. This counter wagon on me doesn't feel good

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:19 am

In post 1667, ketchup777 wrote: It could be drew+light, as this would further explain Drew’s rushing to the hammer. It could also be Black though.

VOTE: Black

This vote feels worse than Jackson's though. Thinking Drew+light is partnered and then voting for me is ???

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:21 am

Drew's vote gives me pause because he's always talking about dancing with me and stuff but this game he hasn't shown much interest in interacting with me at all. My thoughts about his EoD behavior are pretty typical of me to have so I'm not sure why that is pushing the needle for him

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:25 am

In post 1685, usesPython wrote:
In post 1682, Black wrote:
In post 1673, usesPython wrote:
In post 1541, Black wrote: Reading over the EoD stuff again I think Drew's reaction to Lap's claim makes a lot of sense in a scum!Drew world. If scum has one or multiple godfathers then Lap's role probably scared the shit out of them to the point where they really wanted that fade to go through
This would require scum Drew to not only expect Disloyal Cop to be the designated cop type but also expect that everyone's some type of Cop (Since otherwise if not he'd be claiming the second ungated cop in a mini which would be an incredibly tough sell compared to just shooting Lap at night)
If Drew is a godfather wouldn't he see the disloyal cop as the biggest threat to him and try to convince others to push the wagon through like he did?
Pretend the setup is

Setup

Mafia Godfather

Mafia Godfather

Mafia Godfather

Town Disloyal Cop

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

What does scum Drew believably claim that lets him get away with immediately believing that Lap is fake claiming while also being a balanced questionable setup

I'm sorry I don't understand. Why would scum!Drew think this is the setup?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:25 am

In post 1687, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1683, Black wrote: JV could be a light partner if she flips scum. This counter wagon on me doesn't feel good
You don’t think I’d commit to a bus given my position?

What position?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:27 am

In post 1688, usesPython wrote:
In post 1682, Black wrote:
In post 1673, usesPython wrote:
In post 1541, Black wrote: Reading over the EoD stuff again I think Drew's reaction to Lap's claim makes a lot of sense in a scum!Drew world. If scum has one or multiple godfathers then Lap's role probably scared the shit out of them to the point where they really wanted that fade to go through
This would require scum Drew to not only expect Disloyal Cop to be the designated cop type but also expect that everyone's some type of Cop (Since otherwise if not he'd be claiming the second ungated cop in a mini which would be an incredibly tough sell compared to just shooting Lap at night)
If Drew is a godfather wouldn't he see the disloyal cop as the biggest threat to him and try to convince others to push the wagon through like he did?
Also same question we asked Ketchup, why not just shoot Lap at night?

The fade was right there in scum's grasp. It's much more optimal to push that through and then aim for another PR N1

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:28 am

In post 1692, usesPython wrote:
In post 1686, Black wrote: Drew's vote gives me pause because he's always talking about dancing with me and stuff but this game he hasn't shown much interest in interacting with me at all. My thoughts about his EoD behavior are pretty typical of me to have so I'm not sure why that is pushing the needle for him
You're too hung up on dayplay here. Drew also doesn't pass our mountainous vibecheck, it's just that his play around the setup strongly suggests he's town

I have a hard time reading play when it involves setup and balance so I'm just trying to read what I can here

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:30 am

In post 1694, usesPython wrote:
In post 1689, Black wrote: I'm sorry I don't understand. Why would scum!Drew think this is the setup?
The exact setup doesn't as long as scum don't know it's an all cop game, do you think the gamestate supports this or not?

I have no clue what the gamestate supports

What does that even mean

I think if the scumteam has godfathers and they see a Disloyal Cop claim then they would probably expect there to be other ways to catch them, right?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:30 am

In post 1571, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I think I'm unironically warming up to Ganski

Jackson what caused this?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:39 am

In post 1699, usesPython wrote:
In post 1696, Black wrote:
In post 1694, usesPython wrote:
In post 1689, Black wrote: I'm sorry I don't understand. Why would scum!Drew think this is the setup?
The exact setup doesn't as long as scum don't know it's an all cop game, do you think the gamestate supports this or not?
I have no clue what the gamestate supports

What does that even mean

I think if the scumteam has godfathers and they see a Disloyal Cop claim then they would probably expect there to be other ways to catch them, right?
Our point isn't if town has other ways of catching Godfathers but that Drew explicitly played d1 EOD as a Cop would and that the gamestate doesn't support the belief that scum Drew would know to aggressively take heat and fake cop here over just letting the opportunity pass and blasting Lap at night

Scum Drew would specifically need to know everyone's a cop in order for his EOD play to make sense as scum, which is the only mechanical question that's necessary to sort Drew

I'm confused why Drew's reaction couldn't have come from someone that doesn't know we're all cops. I'm not trying to play dumb I legitimately don't get it. Please explain

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:57 am

In post 1703, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1691, Black wrote:
In post 1687, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1683, Black wrote: JV could be a light partner if she flips scum. This counter wagon on me doesn't feel good
You don’t think I’d commit to a bus given my position?
What position?
I’ve been sitting comfy all game, and I’ve been scumreading them nearly all game. That’d be one hell of a choice to make to pivot away now

Why would you need to bus if you've been sitting pretty? The fact that you have been pushing them all game doesn't make you town in a scum!Drew world

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 2:58 am

python I'll respond to you later I have to leave for work

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:55 am

In post 1704, usesPython wrote:
In post 1701, Black wrote: I'm confused why Drew's reaction couldn't have come from someone that doesn't know we're all cops. I'm not trying to play dumb I legitimately don't get it. Please explain
Imagine if Koba flipped VT (or any other role that wouldn't make everyone think everyone is a cop), how does Drew survive d2?

Answer: Either not at all or with great difficulty

Imagine if Drew didn't hammer and we wagoned someone d1 who flips VT (or any other role that wouldn't make everyone think everyone is a cop) and then Lap gets shot at night (with no clears since they die n1), how does Drew survive d2?

Answer: Easily

In order for Drew aggressively pushing Lap after the claim to make sense he'd specifically need to know it's safe to pretend to be a Cop pushing a fakeclaim and that there'd be enough Cop flips by the start of day 2 that people would assume something's up and predict the Godfathers. Without the two cop flips happening his play doesn't make any sense from a survival perspective and the only way he'd know that people would see two cop flips and predict the setup as scum is if he knew everyone was a cop

Ok, I think I understand what you're saying. I feel like trading one scum in order to kill the Disloyal Cop would probably be a good move, but even then there's no guarantee that everyone just pushes Drew D2. There's a real possibility he could push a Lap fade through and still survive D2

I guess I'm just not as willing to believe his behavior is enough to clear him but that might be due to how hard it is for me to mentally clear people

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:56 am

In post 1710, usesPython wrote:
In post 1708, usesPython wrote: Like you're coming at it from the perspective of knowing you're cop and seeing the two cop flips, scum would only have the knowledge that Lap is probably trueclaiming Disloyal Cop
This is a townslip from Black

How

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:01 am

In post 1720, Ranger wrote:
In post 1637, JacksonVirgo wrote:Where’s the consolidation wagon? I’m not doing Titus
I'm not budging from Titus when she is spewed scum.

I think Titus is scummy but I would prefer it if you explained why instead of just repeating that she's spewed scum

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:11 am

In post 1723, usesPython wrote:
In post 1717, Black wrote:
In post 1704, usesPython wrote:
In post 1701, Black wrote: I'm confused why Drew's reaction couldn't have come from someone that doesn't know we're all cops. I'm not trying to play dumb I legitimately don't get it. Please explain
Imagine if Koba flipped VT (or any other role that wouldn't make everyone think everyone is a cop), how does Drew survive d2?

Answer: Either not at all or with great difficulty

Imagine if Drew didn't hammer and we wagoned someone d1 who flips VT (or any other role that wouldn't make everyone think everyone is a cop) and then Lap gets shot at night (with no clears since they die n1), how does Drew survive d2?

Answer: Easily

In order for Drew aggressively pushing Lap after the claim to make sense he'd specifically need to know it's safe to pretend to be a Cop pushing a fakeclaim and that there'd be enough Cop flips by the start of day 2 that people would assume something's up and predict the Godfathers. Without the two cop flips happening his play doesn't make any sense from a survival perspective and the only way he'd know that people would see two cop flips and predict the setup as scum is if he knew everyone was a cop
Ok, I think I understand what you're saying. I feel like trading one scum in order to kill the Disloyal Cop would probably be a good move, but even then there's no guarantee that everyone just pushes Drew D2. There's a real possibility he could push a Lap fade through and still survive D2
Sure but it's a lot riskier than just shooting Lap at night for the benefit of maybe hitting an extra PR instead of being forced to shoot Lap, the cost/benefit doesn't add up

Idk maybe this is just a disagreement on game theory but I think the benefit of fading Lap and not being forced to NK him far outweighs the risk of losing Drew

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:14 am

In post 1726, Ranger wrote: Notably, while none of their posting is objectively scummy, vibecheck wise I hard scumread usesPython for page 67.

Mmhmm. I'm getting somewhat of an informed vibe from their reads on Drew and I. If python is scum I think Drew is probably spewed town

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:18 am

In post 1756, usesPython wrote: "We don't like Blacks posting"

"Sounds like a consolidation wagon"

??? Why are people townreading ketchup again?

Reading ketchup has been pretty difficult for me because in the one game I played with him he posted scummy stuff as town pretty consistently. Then he would randomly have an obvtown post. That's the same behavior I'm seeing here so I don't think I'm interested in voting there currently

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:19 am

VOTE: Titus

I wouldn't mind this though

@python care to join me?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:27 am

It's mainly a vibe read for me. I didn't like her posting between pages 57-61. Felt kinda like she was panicking a little after getting wagoned. Then her "strong scumlean" on PC vanished and her justification for it didn't feel good. She has yet to respond to my post questioning her about this which makes me think she doesn't have a good answer and is just avoiding it hoping I won't notice

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:45 am

In post 1791, ketchup777 wrote: @Python you can make as many arguments as you want but I just belive it’s optimal for scum!Drew to take the easy Lap fade. Especially 1051 felt like a very forced search for the smallest excuse to take Lap out

Yep. The fade was literally at their fingertips. If they don't fade Lap there then they literally have to NK him at some point which is a whole NK wasted when they could have just faded him. Not to mention the possibility of Lap being protected/jailed

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:47 am

I don't think python/Drew can both be scum though. I feel like python is more likely to bus their teammate instead of hard defend them

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:48 am

I guess I could be wrong about that so it's probably just unlikely as opposed to impossible

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:09 am

python what is your read on Titus

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:06 am

In post 1944, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1918, ketchup777 wrote: But where is Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew
Some people do work ya know

And are you just pushing people you perceive as not active right now?

Are you keeping up with the thread while at work or what?

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:08 pm

Ranger feels townie

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:49 pm

In post 1979, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 1978, Ranger wrote:
In post 1936, ketchup777 wrote:aaaaaaaaaaaaah I dont knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww who it isssssssssss
Try Titus.
Maybe a few irl days down the line, I don’t want this day to end too soon tho

What's your read on Titus? I tried looking but I'm on mobile and you have 400 posts somehow

Black · Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:19 pm

In post 1981, Ranger wrote:
In post 1952, Black wrote:Are you keeping up with the thread while at work or what?
Most of my posts come from work.

Posting from work is fine. I was more concerned about Drew only posting from work right after someone voted for him for not being here and the excuse being that he's at work. It seemed like Drew was reading the game and was actively choosing to not post but his reasoning of just skimming is believable

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:08 am

In post 1984, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1983, Black wrote:
In post 1981, Ranger wrote:
In post 1952, Black wrote:Are you keeping up with the thread while at work or what?
Most of my posts come from work.
Posting from work is fine. I was more concerned about Drew only posting from work right after someone voted for him for not being here and the excuse being that he's at work. It seemed like Drew was reading the game and was actively choosing to not post but his reasoning of just skimming is believable
In all the games we have played in, all but one I was town, I don't think this is something that you ever voiced thinking was sketch. Especially since a day like this is par for the course when I am at work(and tbf, is completely not AI).

I don't remember these exact circumstances happening before but if they did then I was absolutely suspicious of it

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:13 am

In post 1991, Titus wrote: I'll catch up tomorrow. Was ill.

Not too shocked by Black tbh. Like she knows I know she's scum. She knows my pool is accurate. She knows I can't get her eliminated today probably.

It's worth a shot still though.

VOTE: Black

I'm sorry you rolled scum

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:16 am

I think Titus feels like she has to scumread me here because she scumreads me in every game we play together. She probably feels like she needs to believably mimic this behavior in order to seem like her usual self, except it's not coming across as genuine here. Her scumread feels more fake and forced than any game we've played recently

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:31 am

I'm down to go Titus or light today. Would be willing to compromise on Drew or maybe ketchup if I had to

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:07 am

In post 1998, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 1996, Black wrote: I think Titus feels like she has to scumread me here because she scumreads me in every game we play together. She probably feels like she needs to believably mimic this behavior in order to seem like her usual self, except it's not coming across as genuine here. Her scumread feels more fake and forced than any game we've played recently
for like the millionth time I agree with you

titus‘ black vote doesn’t feel very genuine. feels like she’s given up on light wagon only because it crumbled and now is ready to move elsewhere

If Titus flips scum I think light does too. Pretty convenient for her to find a way off her wagon

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:09 am

In post 2000, ketchup777 wrote: except the bit where you said you could vote me. that no cool

I would feel a lot worse about voting you over my preferences

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:18 am

In post 2009, light_ganski wrote:
In post 1993, Enchant wrote: @light_ganski how about rewarding my refusal of falling on bloodlust and sheeping my decision hm?
i'm not saying no right now because titus is up there as a potential partner to them, but why not ranger or black?

Why do you even scumread me?

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:16 am

In post 2043, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm honestly okay with voting interchangeably between ketchup and black

So we're equally scummy to you?

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:26 am

In post 2045, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2044, Black wrote:
In post 2043, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm honestly okay with voting interchangeably between ketchup and black
So we're equally scummy to you?
Strange question to ask. You're in the same bracket, my ketchup read keeps oscillating between town/scum because when he's townie, it's townie townie but when he's scummy he's like scummy scummy. I have a brilliant way with words, I know.

Why even ask this?

I'm trying to get a feel for your reads. Why are you so defensive over this question?

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:29 am

I feel like you only think it's useless because you think I'm scum

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:45 am

In post 2050, Titus wrote: Jackson, can you and ketchup work together?

This is a strange request. Like do you think Jackson is the ketchup whisperer? Do you think he can convince ketchup to scumread me and townread you? I don't get it

Black · Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:24 pm

In post 2127, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2118, Titus wrote:
In post 2115, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2112, Titus wrote: It makes your posts harder to read
it’s just simplest to split up a post with them tbh sry unless you have other ideas
I use dashes

‐-----

Like this
Ok noted but I do really love colours ): and I’ve seen other people using colours before me so I assumed it was no problem

you should see my geography projects and stuff from a few years ago, they were so pretty and colourful

It's not a problem. I like the colors. I've never seen anyone complain about them before

Black · Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:05 am

I kinda just want to unapologetically sheep Ranger here

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:25 am

I don't believe LG's claim

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:27 am

I targeted Jackson as per the plan

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:19 am

In post 2364, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2363, Enchant wrote:
In post 2362, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2361, Enchant wrote:
In post 2360, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2358, Enchant wrote: ... There was competing claims?
between ranger and light some type of different flavored cop.
And what competing?
one of them just called the other scum.
Today.

You said yesterday.
They didn't reveal but they were the only modified town cop.

I don't understand what you're getting at here. If LG is true claiming then she's only doing it because she got a guilty on Ranger. Why would you expect them to clash before the guilty result?

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:21 am

In post 2368, Political Clout wrote: also kinda weird that python and drew just voted immediately.

Yep. If LG is lying I think one or both may be scum. This was probably their plan going into the day

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:33 am

In post 2378, Hu Tao wrote: Black auto not believing light seems tmi to me. Instead of just waiting it out to see what Ranger says

I've scumread LG all game and I've had a pretty solid TR on Ranger. I don't like how you're framing my doubt as TMI

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:34 am

light/Hu/Drew or light/Hu/python is my solve

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:37 am

In post 2387, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2384, Black wrote:
In post 2378, Hu Tao wrote: Black auto not believing light seems tmi to me. Instead of just waiting it out to see what Ranger says
I've scumread LG all game and I've had a pretty solid TR on Ranger. I don't like how you're framing my doubt as TMI

In post 2385, Black wrote: light/Hu/Drew or light/Hu/python is my solve
This feels

Yeah that's exactly how I feel about you posturing to misfade me

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:38 am

I'll be happy to 1v1 you tomorrow if LG flips red

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:51 am

I don't do mediocre distancing attempts as scum. That's an insult to my scum game

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:54 am

Hu what are your reads on python and Drew

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:39 am

In post 2439, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2437, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2433, ketchup777 wrote: obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done
and who is my partner black you said? or hu tao since they voted? or ranger and enchant?
probably you/black/light

Why do you think Hu is town

Black · Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:47 am

In post 2443, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2442, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2439, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2437, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2433, ketchup777 wrote: obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done
and who is my partner black you said? or hu tao since they voted? or ranger and enchant?
probably you/black/light
secret leaked files of the scum PT today:

Light: gambit go brrrrrrr
Black: distancing time
PC: wahoooooooooooooo
PC: aah ketchup got me
PC: help me black I can't take it anymore
the layers of logic the depths of your mind on how you found me wow I'm in complete awe. You have me floored dead to rights.

how you ignore python and drew voting with light and then assume I'm scum for voting light that's just flawless inductive thinking.

I agree this is really strange. My mind immediately went to Drew/python as possible light partners

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:27 am

I still think it's probably Drew and python. Ketchup is obvtown

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:28 am

I haven't had the time to really dig through things. I'll try to do so after work

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:11 am

In post 2510, Hu Tao wrote: I still think we go light -> black -> figure out last scum

Once I flip town they're going to fade you so good luck with this plan

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:48 pm

VOTE: Light

e-1

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:29 pm

In post 2533, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2532, Black wrote: VOTE: Light

e-1
What happened to me and Python?

I think there are two light partners in {Drew, python, Hu}

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:32 pm

In post 2533, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2532, Black wrote: VOTE: Light

e-1
What happened to me and Python?

In post 2534, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2533, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2532, Black wrote: VOTE: Light

e-1
What happened to me and Python?
Why are you trying to reason with scum?

In post 2535, Hu Tao wrote: She needs to make sure she's on the wagon for later game cred

Out of these two reactions to my vote I think Drew's leans more towards clueless townie that hasn't been reading my posts and Hu's comes across as scummy shading. I think town!Hu probably corrects Drew there while scum!Hu just tries to make me look worse

Black · Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:34 pm

I'm down to 1v1 Hu tomorrow. I'll even go first. I don't have time for this game anyway

Black · Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:02 am

VOTE: Hu Tao

Black · Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:03 am

We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today

Black · Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:17 am

In post 2581, Political Clout wrote:
In post 2580, Black wrote: We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today
I'm fine with that maybe sorta not really. if you also can accept that it might be python and drew. I probably need to reread this game again funnily enough. I do think it is python especially that they posted without voting light I think that was theatre.

python/drew is possible. I'll admit there's a possibility I'm tunneled and/or influenced by the fact that there's a small part of me that always thinks Hu is scum

I need to look over the game too but I doubt I'll have time this weekend. I remember feeling better about Drew but I need to revisit that

Black · Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:03 am

Guys Hu Tao is scum. I've read her correctly in like 3 straight games and she was scum in two of them

Please vote scum

Black · Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:22 pm

Please fade Hu after me. She's trying to rush the elimination through over the weekend while I'm barely around. She knows if I get an in depth look at the game then it's over for her and her scumbuddy

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:49 am

I'm 8-1, but I'm town this game

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:52 am

In post 2748, usesPython wrote: Black -> PC probably just ends the game here

VOTE: Black

Found Hu's partner

python and Hu both know I'm busy over the weekends and they're trying to push this through before I get time to solve the game. I guess they just solved it for us

Hu --> python --> Drew wins the game

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:54 am

In post 2753, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2751, Black wrote: I'm 8-1, but I'm town this game
ah nooo which game was your downfall

Open 894. I tried a super risky move with my scum buddy T3 and it didn't work out

Our third Jupiter almost won the game in ELO but fell just short

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:43 pm

In post 2756, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2754, Black wrote:
In post 2748, usesPython wrote: Black -> PC probably just ends the game here

VOTE: Black
Found Hu's partner

python and Hu both know I'm busy over the weekends and they're trying to push this through before I get time to solve the game. I guess they just solved it for us

Hu --> python --> Drew wins the game
what’s your thoughts on me? and why are you not worried about Enchant who was voting you for a bit recently?

You're probably my biggest TR

And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Enchant conftown with the whole VT bastard rule thing?

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:00 pm

In post 2790, ketchup777 wrote: in English: Ranger flipped VT. Enchant has since claimed cop. Ranger was probs our only VT.

Oh wait I knew that

My brain has been foggy

I guess scum!Enchant could have originally claimed VT to get the actual VT to claim

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:07 pm

Can we please flip me or Hu Tao. Preferably not me

Black · Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:28 pm

I don't make deals with scum

Black · Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:35 pm

KETCHUP YOU ARE SO GOOD WHAT THE HECK!!!

Black · Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:36 pm

Well played town and thank you Alianna for modding! <3

Black · Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:45 pm

In post 3182, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 3178, Black wrote: KETCHUP YOU ARE SO GOOD WHAT THE HECK!!!
This is why I can't trust him lol

AND TO THINK YOU SENT A CAR TO TAKE HIM OUT!!

In post 3183, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 3182, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 3178, Black wrote: KETCHUP YOU ARE SO GOOD WHAT THE HECK!!!
This is why I can't trust him lol

AND TO THINK YOU SENT A CAR TO TAKE HIM OUT!!
OMG THAT WAS BLACK??

I HAVE AN ALIBI YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING

Black · Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:46 pm

In post 3193, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 3192, Cabd wrote: Congrats to ketchup on what I am sure is gonna be a memory you will have for ages, getting it right in 3P. Always such a scary propitiation.
thanks random person (:

This made me lol

Idk Cadb but they seem very cool and they have good taste in Genshin characters

Black · Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:26 pm

In post 3205, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 3176, ketchup777 wrote: LETS GOOOOO : ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Good job ketchup

Props to you too. Great performance. Sometimes it feels like you have such good instincts that you don't have to try, you just nonchalantly pin most if not all of the scum team

Black · Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:53 am

In post 3210, ketchup777 wrote: funny all 5 of us from my first game rolled the same alignment (:

Maybe you can roll scum with me next time? When we kill people we will cover their bodies in ketchup to make it seem way more gruesome than it actually is

Black · Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:48 am

Impeccable reads Ranger. Kudos