Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Marisa Kirisame]

The idea was that if we somehow killed 2 mafia (for example with a well aimed vig on and a a good lim) I could have a clear or guilty on dai, a slot which I had a not very good read on.

[Marisa Kirisame]

VOTE: Reisen

[Marisa Kirisame]

Daiyousei, what made you unvote Kaguya?

Her response to my return and vote for her read as a reasonable approach to take.

btw I saw this, I will have a look at that interaction and also your post saying you thought we're both town.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The idea was that if we somehow killed 2 mafia (for example with a well aimed vig on and a a good lim) I could have a clear or guilty on dai, a slot which I had a not very good read on.

If we have 2 maf kills by N2 the game is already won, the more realistic scenario is that there's 0-1 maf kills and the block is anti-town

Like even Tenshi had the good sense to not be using Spring Haze which does almost exactly what you thought your active did

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm also not a fan of the subtle narrative reframing going on here where your play only makes sense if two maf flip while glossing over how unlikely it'd be for two maf to flip

[Marisa Kirisame]

I, on the other hand, am not a fan of reframing my explanation for targeting dai as a "narrative reframing".

Are you claiming that a town jailkeeper should not jailkeep a null read night 2 because it might hit a town PR? Because that's basically the same as saying "you shouldn't delayed roleblock a null read n1 because it might hit a town PR".
Also, during night 1 I was still thinking Sanae would flip mafia on day 2, I still had several slots I was pretty sure were town, and I knew of a vig shot. Framing the use of a roleblock on a PoE slot as anything but what any reasonable town player would do is sketchy.
Did I believe we 100% of the time hit 2 scum? No. Did I think we 100% flip Sanae scum and that maybe vig hit scum and I couldn't retroactively chhose to delayed roleblock based on whether the vig hit scum? Yes.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Are you claiming that a town jailkeeper should not jailkeep a null read night 2 because it might hit a town PR?

There's no "might" about it, it's role madness. You're either hitting a town PR that can clear themselves or you're hitting a scum PR that gives info on the scumteam and reduces the claim space or you're hitting the jackpot and stopping the nightkill except you still don't know if you stopped the nightkill or if it was some other protective

[Koishi Komeiji]

Deadline: 0 days, 19 hours, 42 minutes

Stalling for no lim is a thing that may be happening. Town has no reason not to have claimed yesterday given where stuff is headed.


This is gonna be a strong pr claim with an attempt to get us to flash wagon elsewhere.

Don't bite. Don't miss a lim.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Deadline: 0 days, 19 hours, 42 minutes

Stalling for no lim is a thing that may be happening. Town has no reason not to have claimed yesterday given where stuff is headed.

We're on Evens, a no lim isn't the end of the world

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Worst comes to worst if Reisen claims something strong and there's not enough time to evaluate we can still no lim without losing a mislim then evaluate tomorrow

[Koishi Komeiji]

That just ends with me dead so no thanks.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Wait Kaguya I forgot to ask: did you use your doc shot?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Wait Kaguya I forgot to ask: did you use your doc shot?

Yes, that's literally why I called Yuuka a PGO cause I docced both Aya and Koishi

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Koishi's spellcard confirmed neither were shot though

[Kaguya Houraisan]

It's also why I got confused about your "who has the inno" comment until it clicked cause both were already conftown

[Marisa Kirisame]

Wait Kaguya I forgot to ask: did you use your doc shot?

Yes, that's literally why I called Yuuka a PGO cause I docced both Aya and Koishi

Oh. That makes a lot more sense but also unfortunate because I'd hoped we could double heal them tonight and guarantee they live to next day.

HEAL: Kaguya

I'm going to have to rethink my reads for a bit.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It's also why I got confused about your "who has the inno" comment until it clicked cause both were already conftown

Yeah makes sense

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Wait Kaguya I forgot to ask: did you use your doc shot?

Yes, that's literally why I called Yuuka a PGO cause I docced both Aya and Koishi

Oh. That makes a lot more sense but also unfortunate because I'd hoped we could double heal them tonight and guarantee they live to next day.

HEAL: Kaguya

I'm going to have to rethink my reads for a bit.

Are you claiming a Protective as Flandre?

[Marisa Kirisame]

No

Heal tag is my way of expressing an unvote on a person I wasn't voting.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

No

Heal tag is my way of expressing an unvote on a person I wasn't voting.

I'd hoped

we

could double heal them tonight and guarantee they live to next day.

Meant this

[Marisa Kirisame]

No

Heal tag is my way of expressing an unvote on a person I wasn't voting.

I'd hoped

we

could double heal them tonight and guarantee they live to next day.

Meant this

We = town

since if you had that doc you would be able to double heal them.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Actually

VOTE: Ichirin

two wagons at E-2, you’re welcome

I'm annoyed that this was just self-satisfied scum knowing that they just put two towns at E-2.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Not why are you scumreading Kagerou, but why are you voting someone that's not one of Kaguya/Reisen (or me, if you agree with Kaguya)

Aya said not to and I don't have the context Kaguya has.
I'm fine just interpreting what you results are tomorrow and then trying my best to see if it's bullshit or not.

Not to do what? Which context?

Vote you.

[Yuuka Kazami]

All I got from the last two pages from Marisa is that they feel vulnerable now and are taking steps to correct that.

But none of it is AI.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Kaguya’s context where they’re town and know that the clown piece kill didn’t come from them and probably didn’t come from Dai.

I don’t know if they’re town so it’s much less clear to me that you’re scum.