Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[RationalMadman]

Everyone should want to end the DP ASAP. Mafia have too many reads already on who is PR and who scumreads who, you're making their life much easier by blabbing.

If we vote anyone it should be someone key to extending the DP and who is voting without a good reason.

[KayJayQueue]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

[tris]

VC 1.03

Thomith (2):

camelCasedSnivy 61, DrNickRiviera 114

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

SaltiestCactus23 23

RationalMadman (1):

Elements 46

DrNickRiviera (1):

Dannflor 66

Hu Tao (1):

KayJayQueue 13

No Elimination (1):

RationalMadman 42

Dannflor (1):

Grovyle in a Fedora 124

Not Voting:

Hu Tao, awesomeming327, Gibdo, Thomith 110, DrippingGoofball 131

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

Note:

I took this picture

[Elements]

You are voting Town but if I vote you back it looks like scum reacting defensive.

not if you give a reason

I am very sure you're just trying to derail a good chance scum goes to night period knowing nothing beyond their roles by voting me and making a lot of people reveal reads and react in ways you can decide better who to kill and frame next DP as well as read for PRs vs vanillas.

stop with your obsession with PRs
unless you're fishing in which case keep it up

[Elements]

Scum try hard to appear like Town in ways Town only do if they are particularly tryhards.

Stop making blanket statements that are just untrue

[RationalMadman]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

I think that way both as Town and Scum but I also have such a weird thinking pattern that trying to appear stereotypical Town is futile for me. Idk if you're replying to me or Dann there though.

[RationalMadman]

Scum try hard to appear like Town in ways Town only do if they are particularly tryhards.

Stop making blanket statements that are just untrue

For tryhards like myself that is untrue, for most players that's true.

[RationalMadman]

You are voting Town but if I vote you back it looks like scum reacting defensive.

not if you give a reason

I am very sure you're just trying to derail a good chance scum goes to night period knowing nothing beyond their roles by voting me and making a lot of people reveal reads and react in ways you can decide better who to kill and frame next DP as well as read for PRs vs vanillas.

stop with your obsession with PRs
unless you're fishing in which case keep it up

The way to fish for PRs is to say nothing and read for them.

[RationalMadman]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.

[RationalMadman]

No Elim is optimal here, I am certain of it.

[Thomith]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.

Why would a PR CC in this scenario in a closed setup?

[Thomith]

We also can't be sure that any PR's we might have will be able to outright get any information, because of this being a closed setup.

[RationalMadman]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.

Why would a PR CC in this scenario in a closed setup?

If someone claims either your role or a very similar PR, this is a normal setup meaning neither bastard modding nor realistic similar roles should be considered valid by you and not CCing early is gamethrowing as later you'll not be believed unless you were somehow revealed or killed.

[Thomith]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.

Why would a PR CC in this scenario in a closed setup?

If someone claims either your role or a very similar PR, this is a normal setup meaning neither bastard modding nor realistic similar roles should be considered valid by you and not CCing early is gamethrowing as later you'll not be believed unless you were somehow revealed or killed.

I would like to direct you to Mini 2321, where there was both a Town Neapolitan and Town Role Cop in the game, both very similar roles that we doubted would exist together and threw off all of our setup spec that wound up costing up the game.

[Elements]

Setup spec loses games

[RationalMadman]

It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.

Why would a PR CC in this scenario in a closed setup?

If someone claims either your role or a very similar PR, this is a normal setup meaning neither bastard modding nor realistic similar roles should be considered valid by you and not CCing early is gamethrowing as later you'll not be believed unless you were somehow revealed or killed.

I would like to direct you to Mini 2321, where there was both a Town Neapolitan and Town Role Cop in the game, both very similar roles that we doubted would exist together and threw off all of our setup spec that wound up costing up the game.

You may think you proved me wrong but you proved my original theory even more correct.

[RationalMadman]

Assuming the vibe is I should stop this and confirm, my 2 Townreads are Dann and the one voting him (Grovyle).

These 2 strike me as consistently Towny. The secret isn't in what they're doing alone but in them lacking anything scummy while actively contributing in quirky ways even that shows they care more about scum hunting than Towntelling.

[RationalMadman]

Idk who is scum but the ones most actively pushing to extend the DP all default scum to me, I am fully aware they may be Town and just see things very differently to me.

[RationalMadman]

Conform, not confirm.

[RationalMadman]

I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann. If we're going to bandwagon, others lack Towntelling in my eyes.

[Elements]

I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann.

Self vote

[Elements]

I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann. If we're going to bandwagon, others lack Towntelling in my eyes.

I've changed my mind
Come VOTE: Thomith
Will help end the day

[Thomith]

I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann. If we're going to bandwagon, others lack Towntelling in my eyes.

I've changed my mind
Come VOTE: Thomith
Will help end the day

Why do you think it's a good idea to end the day quickly?

[RationalMadman]

I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann. If we're going to bandwagon, others lack Towntelling in my eyes.

I've changed my mind
Come VOTE: Thomith
Will help end the day

Why do you think it's a good idea to end the day quickly?

Did you reply to the right person?

I already explained why if you mean me.

[RationalMadman]

I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann.

Self vote