Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[Dannflor]

Anyway I'm not saying I want to eliminate Rational I'm just saying I empathize with the emotions that lead to Elements' vote

[Dannflor]

hu tao do you have a read on awesomeming

[Hu Tao]

Dann and Elements (possibly can throw in Grovyle) are thinking almost exactly as I am, seem town enough for me for now

I've played a few games with only Dannflor, and maybe I'm misremembering, but criticizing others' reads of him doesn't seem like his scum playstyle.

I haven't talked about gibdo yet but I think they lean town after these posts

For context, Gibdo is an IRL friend I invited specifically to play this game. As far as I know he has no experience in forum mafia, his experience with me is relegated to a few face-to-face mafia games we played years ago.

- I think his attempting to pull some meta (no matter how outdated it might be) from those face-to-face games is probably indicative he's genuinely trying to solve me
- I think his statement that he's thinking almost exactly how 3 other players are thinking is somewhat unlikely to come from scum. I think that framing looks kind of blatantly sheepy and pockety and I think scum, especially scum that might feel a bit awkward about this format would be hesitant to avoid that
- above all I think Gibdo not really playing or even mentioning the newbie card at all and just throwing himself into figuring things out as he goes is indicative he's just interested in solving the game rather than looking town

Good to know. I take back the slight scumread om gibdo then.

[Hu Tao]

hu tao do you have a read on awesomeming

I looked into them not too long ago and their posting seemed genuine. So I don't want them right now

[Dannflor]

DrNick is maybe town

[Dannflor]

idk I think my Grovyle town read is getting weaker on the basis of other town reads getting stronger


and also the fact that i think his solve in 399 is somewhat likely to be 0/3

they also keep talking about how elements is scum but don't really seem engaged in pushing that convincingly

[Dannflor]

hu tao is maybe trending upwards but im stubborn and dont want to admit it

[Thomith]

Anyone not voting salty can they tell me why salty could be town?

Haven't seen enough yet.
Seems like he is making an effort to solve in 409 and 410

Thoughts on gibdo?

Again, I feel like I need to see more before solidifying a read, but again, they seem to be attempting to solve and giving reasons for their reads.

I am more confident to say a tentative townread for now, while I'd say Salty is still Null.

[Thomith]

DrNick is maybe town

Why?

[Dannflor]

idk I kinda liked how they reacted to me criticizing their town read on me by doubling down

[Thomith]

VOTE: cCS
I think I dislike this vote on me the most.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: camelCasedsnivy

[Thomith]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

[Dannflor]

I think that's a fair read

[Elements]

VOTE: ccs

[tris]

VC 1.08

RationalMadman (3):

Gibdo 292, awesomeming327 412, Grovyle in a Fedora 417

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Thomith 585, Dannflor 586, Elements 589

Thomith (2):

DrNickRiviera 114, camelCasedSnivy 475

SaltiestCactus23 (1):

Hu Tao 241

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

SaltiestCactus23 23

awesomeming327 (1):

RationalMadman 266

KayJayQueue (1):

DrippingGoofball 287

DrNickRiviera (1):

KayJayQueue 415

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

[DrNickRiviera]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: camel

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm concerned that there is a world where RationalMadman is actually scum, and if he does flip scum, his aggressive defense of me after I defended him earlier is an attempt to frame me later.

What bizarre phrasing.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: awesoming

Sheeping RM.

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

idk I think my Grovyle town read is getting weaker on the basis of other town reads getting stronger

and also the fact that i think his solve in 399 is somewhat likely to be 0/3

they also keep talking about how elements is scum but don't really seem engaged in pushing that convincingly

"I disagree so ur scum" type vibe

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

I don't try to pull the thread into 4 different directions and my solve has evolved past that point anyways to include rational.

your elements townread feels extremely bizarre here as I really see little to townread elements off of and it makes no sense for a town elements to make up such poor reasons for their push to eliminate Rational. in retrospect it looks more likely to be a distancing push to have a good 'excuse' to not vote there if actual pressure forms. (which indeed is going on in element's most recent vote to bring CCS to a tie with rational)

If you want to call me scum for being wrong, flip one of these 2 and then you can see if my thought process stays the same if i am wrong. if im right, then you are then burdened with changing your mind. at this point I don't think I can avoid resolving this dynamic.

you also throw out a bunch of assumptions about gibido that i find entirely unconvincing and I will trust myself on that player rather than someone who they know how to manipulate personally, no offense. Have had a few games in recent times where X player was vouched for by Y player who knew them and I felt they were wrong but allowed myself a sheep for the day phase and ended up losing due to it, so while I can avoid pushing them day 1, I will not take them out of my PoE for you.

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

why are CCS votes good to you?

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

I did a quick read and I still want to eliminate salty. I'm getting vibes there of scum. I'm also getting small pings from gibdo

I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town

Why

Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at best

Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.

i hate this thought flow it doesn't feel genuine to me and I probably should re-iso hu tao at some point and that point will be thursday goodbye chat

side note: i dont like the ccs wagon esp with elements on it, and I don't trust dann's logic for his reads so far (maybe he gets better with a flip though)

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

i lied about leaving because i was thinking about thomith and i got dragged back and i reskimmed his iso and he has a few points that are almost blatantly towny despite my disagreement with a lot of his takes. i would veto that slot for day 1 @CCS @drnick