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Could you point out where CCS lurking was mentioned as the reason why CCS was getting voted?In post 1823, Klick wrote: I think the expressed CCS vote reasoning is quite lazy as well and boils down to 'lurking is scummy for CCS', and 'interactions with awesomeming are bad', both of which are flawed
I feel like this was mentioned as a bad reason by someone else before, but I don't remember this being a reason for the votes.-
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VOTE: Klick
1793 raises a few big red flags for me.
First, putting Hu Tao in the "Town" category would be a very scary and hasty conclusion for a town-aligned player to reach, especially when you consider the following:
- Dannflor, as the only confirmed town, hard tunneling her in D1 and getting NK'd right after
- She was one of the five players to NOT vote awesomeming after a clear ball drop
- 1774 wouldn't give a decent player enough information at all to read Hu Tao as town, if there's more to your read here Klick then I need to see it.
Second, after Klick replacing camelCasedSnivy (who was heavily scumread by most of us) and reading up on the game, I don't think a good enough case was presented for Thomith to match such a strong scumread on him. I'd have expected something far stronger than "this doesn't feel genuine" in 1777.
Thirdly, the reads on ActionDan are inconsistent between 1786 and 1793, especially for only being a couple hours apart. It gives the impression that town's favor is trying to be gained by agreeing with him while not actually acknowledging that ActionDan has been consistently making incredibly town-aligned posts.-
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This feels like a desperate Klick trying to save the slot by trying to fabricate a case against one of the less-strongly townread players (Thomith) and also try to take suspicion off of Hu Tao as much as possible.
Hu Tao's OMGUS-esque vote against Grovyle supports my theory.-
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I think the play is limming Klick first since both they and cCS look very scummy, and then move to Hu Tao for a D3 lim, assuming no drastic changes in behavior.
Thomith should have a close eye kept on him as well.-
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He may have been cookin'
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That's because my intention wasn't to demonstrate to you that Hu Tao is town, my intention was to briefly express my own thoughts on the things I cared about most while readingIn post 1827, Gibdo wrote: - 1774 wouldn't give a decent player enough information at all to read Hu Tao as town, if there's more to your read here Klick then I need to see it.
I'm happy to town-case Hu Tao but I don't think this particular audience will be that receptive to my actual thoughts on the slot-
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I'll have to do that this evening, I've not really got time or energy for that on my lunch break
The very tl;dr is that I believe in Hu Tao's perspective of the game - I believe town would behave the way she's behaving, I think there are aspects of it that scum wouldn't intuitively fabricate, as an overall vibe she feels like she's genuinely pushing what she believes.
But people always hate the details of that sort of qualitative analysis-
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I contrast it with this, which is a big wall of things that just serve to justify a vote that Gibdo clearly already wants to makeIn post 1827, Gibdo wrote: VOTE: Klick
1793 raises a few big red flags for me.
First, putting Hu Tao in the "Town" category would be a very scary and hasty conclusion for a town-aligned player to reach, especially when you consider the following:
- Dannflor, as the only confirmed town, hard tunneling her in D1 and getting NK'd right after
- She was one of the five players to NOT vote awesomeming after a clear ball drop
- 1774 wouldn't give a decent player enough information at all to read Hu Tao as town, if there's more to your read here Klick then I need to see it.
Second, after Klick replacing camelCasedSnivy (who was heavily scumread by most of us) and reading up on the game, I don't think a good enough case was presented for Thomith to match such a strong scumread on him. I'd have expected something far stronger than "this doesn't feel genuine" in 1777.
Thirdly, the reads on ActionDan are inconsistent between 1786 and 1793, especially for only being a couple hours apart. It gives the impression that town's favor is trying to be gained by agreeing with him while not actually acknowledging that ActionDan has been consistently making incredibly town-aligned posts.
None of this actually says 'this makes Klick scum' and I don't think Gibdo believes in this as much as he wants to present something that looks competent-
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What is this Really Clear Town PerspectiveTM you are seeing from herIn post 1774, Klick wrote: I'm pretty sure this is Hu Tao's town game
I have a pretty good track record of reading Hu Tao
I have a fairly limited experience with her as scum, but I also think she has a really clear town perspective when she is town-
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I'm pretty sure you've accused me of doing this when I was town before. I think this is a go-to read of yours when you don't really like the case but it's not a very good way to catch scum imoIn post 1833, Klick wrote: None of this actually says 'this makes Klick scum' and I don't think Gibdo believes in this as much as he wants to present something that looks competent-
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Cause I think the others are more townyIn post 1819, Thomith wrote:
Why do you think it's between us?In post 1815, Hu Tao wrote: Last 2 scum feels like it's in groyvle, elements, Thom.-
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This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them upIn post 1824, Klick wrote: I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me-
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It's so sad that you're likely townIn post 1828, Gibdo wrote: This feels like a desperate Klick trying to save the slot by trying to fabricate a case against one of the less-strongly townread players (Thomith) and also try to take suspicion off of Hu Tao as much as possible.
Hu Tao's OMGUS-esque vote against Grovyle supports my theory.-
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Ftr I believe klick would take that stance on me as town-
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and what about scum?In post 1839, Hu Tao wrote: Ftr I believe klick would take that stance on me as town-
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He wouldn't come up with it-
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that's not explaining what you think he WOULD do.In post 1841, Hu Tao wrote: He wouldn't come up with it
this is a lazy throwaway response to avoid answering a harder question-
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Hu Tao she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy-
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Thomith He/TheyMafia ScumHe/They
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In post 1837, Hu Tao wrote:
This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them upIn post 1824, Klick wrote: I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me
Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?In post 1843, Hu Tao wrote: I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy-
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Cause I think they are scumIn post 1844, Thomith wrote:In post 1837, Hu Tao wrote:
This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them upIn post 1824, Klick wrote: I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me
Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?In post 1843, Hu Tao wrote: I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy-
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I presented a possibility that klick is whiteknighting you, actually. I'm trying to determine that so we don't just chain klick into you in case that's what he wants.In post 1843, Hu Tao wrote: I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy-
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Is that not extremely hypocritical?In post 1845, Hu Tao wrote:
Cause I think they are scumIn post 1844, Thomith wrote:In post 1837, Hu Tao wrote:
This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them upIn post 1824, Klick wrote: I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me
Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?In post 1843, Hu Tao wrote: I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy-
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Klick doesn't give me the scum vibe.-
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ok to be fair I did try to run them up earlier, its more klick's incredulous defense with little reasoning had me change tact.In post 1844, Thomith wrote:In post 1837, Hu Tao wrote:
This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them upIn post 1824, Klick wrote: I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me
Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?In post 1843, Hu Tao wrote: I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy
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