Mini Normal 2334: trees (Night 3)

[Hu Tao]

I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me

This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them up

I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy

Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?

Cause I think they are scum

Is that not extremely hypocritical?

No cause I'm town

[Thomith]

I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me

This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them up

I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy

Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?

ok to be fair I did try to run them up earlier, its more klick's incredulous defense with little reasoning had me change tact.

Sure, but Klick is complaining about this, then refusing to acknowledge my responses to their case on me, then Hu Tao also complains about this but shuts you down immediately when you try to do the complete opposite.

I'm trying to figure out of this is real frustrated town or not.

[Klick]

None of this actually says 'this makes Klick scum' and I don't think Gibdo believes in this as much as he wants to present something that looks competent

I'm pretty sure you've accused me of doing this when I was town before. I think this is a go-to read of yours when you don't really like the case but it's not a very good way to catch scum imo

I don't necessarily think it means Gibdo is scum
But I do think it trends more towards scum behaviour than town
It also just generally annoys me

[Klick]

I think most people in this lobby are expecting 'case' and then being disappointed with 'vague lump of thoughts'

[Hu Tao]

Thom can you link a scum game of yours

[Thomith]

Thom can you link a scum game of yours

I can but it'll be super old since I don't have a completed one since I came back to the site

[Thomith]

If you still think it will be useful I will

[Enchant]

Intent to hammer in:
(expired on 2024-04-15 20:15:00)

Hold off on that please

Now real has to CC and the game is going to be so scumsided

i don't believe the claim

+ it's a pretty low power role anyway so I'm fine with a hammer here

I still have things to say before this phase is over.

For the claim itself were this higher power I would advocate for a stay. This close but below the cusp so no need to factor in claim. Clearly no one's needs to cc

[Enchant]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

[Elements]

I find elements curious.

Lots of people do
I'm an enigma

[DrNickRiviera]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

Are you referring to both Elements and Dan here?

[Gibdo]

I contrast it with this, which is a big wall of things that just serve to justify a vote that Gibdo clearly already wants to make

None of this actually says 'this makes Klick scum' and I don't think Gibdo believes in this as much as he wants to present something that looks competent

I feel like I laid out pretty clear-cut reasons why your posts would point to scum behavior. I was also reading your predecessor as mafia anyway, for reasons described pretty well in 1493. Besides, if I were scum here, it would make far more sense for me to lurk more than I am at the present moment since I am already being townread by most of the players. I certainly wouldn't feel any particular need to prove myself now.
You are correct about the first part though. This is definitely a vote I want to make.

[Hu Tao]

If you still think it will be useful I will

Nevermind

[Hu Tao]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

I agree. Elements could be scum

[Elements]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

I agree. Elements could be scum

:eyeroll:

[Klick]

First, putting Hu Tao in the "Town" category would be a very scary and hasty conclusion for a town-aligned player to reach, especially when you consider the following:
- Dannflor, as the only confirmed town, hard tunneling her in D1 and getting NK'd right after
- She was one of the five players to NOT vote awesomeming after a clear ball drop
- 1774 wouldn't give a decent player enough information at all to read Hu Tao as town, if there's more to your read here Klick then I need to see it.

All of this, extrapolated from 'Klick townreads Hu Tao and hasn't thoroughly explained it'

It's a nothingness and only serves to keep the status quo of myself and Hu Tao being under suspicion

None of the things you bring up here actually give reasons to... not townread Hu Tao. They're all surface reasons one might consider looking in her direction.

Second, after Klick replacing camelCasedSnivy (who was heavily scumread by most of us) and reading up on the game, I don't think a good enough case was presented for Thomith to match such a strong scumread on him. I'd have expected something far stronger than "this doesn't feel genuine" in 1777.

I didn't post a case attempting to persuade people that Thomith is scum

Thirdly, the reads on ActionDan are inconsistent between 1786 and 1793, especially for only being a couple hours apart. It gives the impression that town's favor is trying to be gained by agreeing with him while not actually acknowledging that ActionDan has been consistently making incredibly town-aligned posts.

I posted something that looked towny to me from ActionDan but didn't burn that into my overarching view of the game

Like the reason I'm saying I don't believe you really believe this is because it feels like you're getting to 'I don't understand this' and then stopping all thought and concluding I must be scum. There are absolutely questions you could ask to attempt to understand the things you instead choose to make assumptions about here.

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

[DrNickRiviera]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

[DrNickRiviera]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

Hmm, good point, it is just you. In my mind there were others when thinking about it.

Also, that sounds like a fake scum read you have there.......you gotta give an example.

[tris]

VC 2.08

Klick (4):

ActionDan 1300, Grovyle in a Fedora 1795, Elements 1818, Gibdo 1827

Black (1):

Enchant 1587

Enchant (1):

DrippingGoofball 1731

Thomith (1):

Klick 1793

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

Hu Tao 1799

Hu Tao (1):

Black 1811

Not Voting:

Thomith, DrNickRiviera 1739

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-27 14:08:00)

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: Hu

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

I can help with Grovyle!

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

Hmm, good point, it is just you. In my mind there were others when thinking about it.

Also, that sounds like a fake scum read you have there.......you gotta give an example.

VOTE: Hu

This progression is terrible. The two ways I read people are giving town on one side and scum on the other. Idk which to listen to

[ActionDan]

I finished my reread of Thomith. I still think he's town. Most of his iso reads town to me.

I am that much more confident Klick is selectively trying to find weaknesses to be exploited. For example I know as town and I have a feeling as scum also Thomith will ask a billion questions. I don't really know what he gets out of every single one of them, but probability dictates some will look pointless and empty like the one to elements about ending the day faster.

The other relevant point is the vote switch from Hu to awesomeming. To add to it Thomith had previously townread awesomeming earlier (not mentioned by klick). I'm OK with it. Thomith had claimed he was lost and following your townreads onto a wagon like that is typical. Especially since Dann's progression was one where he had first voted Hu and then voted awesomeming.

I reject any other arguments. Thomith was not bullying Nick's read e.g. or Thomith was staying out of elemnts/RM slapfight