Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

Behold, I doth void my bladder and expel feces hither and thither without constraint.

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I claim simple country guy with big city dreams.

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2. Toxic and harmful behaviour will not be tolerated. This includes, but is not limited to:
- flaming, insulting, or directing personal attacks at other players
- use of slurs or derogatory language
- spamming
- excessive AtE
- excessive discussion of real life issues (a mention is fine, but please don't derail the game or use this thread as a place to vent)
- otherwise being a jerk or making the game unenjoyable for others

I was planning on using slurs and derogatory language, but I will respect the rule henceforth.

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VOTE: Umlaut
Ty!
Entrance was awkward

This must be devastating on the part of Umlaut

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cjv isn't a cute name

Luka is a downright savage, if you ask me

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I think Luka forgetting that FancyPants should be green might be a direct consequence of knowing everyone who is also green! VOTE: Luka

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clodpoles your face

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It feels like people on mafiascum look for logical inconsistencies

what's your experience with people on mafiascum?

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ah, I was looking forward to messing with him

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Yeah Kay, do you scumread me or something?

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Well... do you?



Pic related. It's me.

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Do you have a take on me?

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Lame naked vote, what a perv. At least give it some clothes.

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Lame.

Your naked votes are useless. If you're gonna hide behind my wagon, at least pretend to have some thought with it. Lather it with words and make yourselves readable.

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I prefer to have clothes, and I spit on your pervy expectations on monkeys.

And no, if you're town, you should want to be working with me so I can identify that you're not scum taking advantage of the opportunity to lamely naked vote. Who do you think you are?

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Hi, my name is Eiralox and I think I'm so cool because I use words like 'onus'. That's right! Also, I like naked voting because I'm lame and one time in sixth grade I pooped myself in the school bus.

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He says, thinking he has the high ground despite naked voting.

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Ah I see. So your vote is pointless and you're not really looking for anything? Gotcha.

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So you don't scumread me, and you just hate my attitude?

I don't think I even fully understand this interaction. I'm asking you to explain why you voted me and you're playing stonewall citing that 1.) it's my responsibility to make you change your vote, 2.) my attitude and my lack of... game-orientedness. Meanwhile, you voted me and had an extended interaction with me. Where throughout, you haven't asked me a single question or tried to sort me in any reasonable way. What am I missing?

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So why open this interaction with such a ridiculous sentence:

I think you're the one being voted isn't the onus on you to daringly dazzle us with a display of downright towniness?

It implies that it's my responsibility. Additionally, it implies that you're looking for a standard of towniness from me. What confuses me is that you're admitting now that you're not even looking for anything from me? Even independent of how you feel about my attitude, shouldn't you be extracting more information from me? From our interaction, there's a distinct lack of initiative and clear disinterest in doing that.

More important question: Why are you choosing to vote at such a slim pool? Only FancyPants is confirmed, so I don't understand your position and why you're even included in that pool.

Help me understand.

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If you don't want to die sort of yeah it's how all this works

would you engage with all my other questions too? thanks

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I don’t think ‘onus’ is really that fancy a word

give me a fancy word

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Only actual read I have is cat town here

would you tell me why you voted?

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Wow, Umlaut. I didn't even know that word existed. You are a true fancy word connoisseur.

In other words, I wanna wagon Eiralox and force them to answer my questions. VOTE: Eiralox
Although I'm serious about my Luka read and I will monitor that slot carefully throughout the game.

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Hi Eiralox. Here I am, game-oriented and with great attitude. Please

do

engage me because I have a bad habit of tunnelling and I don't want to accidentally lead everyone else toward your elimination with my overflowing charisma. I had some questions for you that you must have skipped over. I'd like to hear from you.

So why open this interaction with such a ridiculous sentence:

I think you're the one being voted isn't the onus on you to daringly dazzle us with a display of downright towniness?

It implies that it's my responsibility. Additionally, it implies that you're looking for a standard of towniness from me. What confuses me is that you're admitting now that you're not even looking for anything from me? Even independent of how you feel about my attitude, shouldn't you be extracting more information from me? From our interaction, there's a distinct lack of initiative and clear disinterest in doing that.

More important question: Why are you choosing to vote at such a slim pool? Only FancyPants is confirmed, so I don't understand your position and why you're even included in that pool.

Help me understand.

I understand that you think I should be alarmed and take responsibility if I want to survive this day. You have answered that part. I am more curious about your response to the other parts, especially the questions that I labelled as more important.

Thanks again.

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To Luka or anyone else who might use this argument: I am less convinced about "too wolfy to be wolf" arguments because sometimes wolves can just be wolves and sometimes the instinct to call them wolfy is right. I feel like I need to be able to weigh it against all other instances where I can label their behavior as town if I want to really cross them out of my pool. Would you disagree?

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I believe you're voting Hu Tao right now, but maybe you can join me because I think we're seeing the same thing about Luka albeit having a different conclusion. If we can pressure his slot, maybe we can have a better read and maybe you can prove that you're right about him being town after all.

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Do you imagine anyone else joining you in Hu Tao's wagon in the meantime? And you have described Eiralox as "too wolfy"... but Hu Tao seems wolfier for you?

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Firebringer... Are we playing at the same poker table? Did Datisi make that for you?

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hell yeah

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I just woke up from a rough sleep.

Although I'm serious about my Luka read and I will monitor that slot carefully throughout the game.

Can you elaborate on this? If you already have and I forgot, forgive me as I will see it soon

Luka grilled you iirc about not voting FancyPants even though you think they're scum. I think it leans scum that they haven't internalized that FancyPants/Firebringer is town in their narrative BECAUSE they're pretending that they don't know everyone else who is town. I distinctly remember them putting FancyPants as strong town in a readslist so they must have already been informed.

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I would very much like to see GIF and HEM solve each other when i wake up.

GIF is best left alone for now. They seem to be verbalizing a method for solving the game. People have been confident for less and they're right about me anyway. Later, if they act inconsistent with their own self-narrative to do something in the game that pushes a scum agenda then it will be very easy for me to solve them!

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Oh you're right. Do you think this comes from a wolf more than it comes from a town just overlooking it?

How can you overlook something that you already have been informed by? If you're working on a solve, you should have internalized it at that point - and even before grilling someone else about it. It's still possible they did, but I think it leans scum.

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I'll need external feedback on this as I'm very aware I tend to tunnel.

full send

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Eiralox feels like they're just trying to position themselves to be able to vote low-hanging fruits based on consensus, less so trying to really sort people.

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What made you decide that this is the right playstyle to switch to in this game?

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I think I can finally put down the SvS fears on JV and KJQ.

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What about the time was right?

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JV, are you townreading Kay?

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I'm just not sure where this came from:

Are you wolf? This feels unnatural

I didn't think Kay being suspicious of you after (picking up from context) a scum game where you pocketed her was unnatural. So I'm surprised why you felt that it was, and why you immediately jumped to thinking it's wolf behavior.

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Okie dokie

I mean the only other option than you being scum is that you’re just being really arrogant and that just doesn’t seem like you. Especially with dismissive/passive-aggressive posts like this - I’m very confused by you this game.

Alrighty

This isn’t helping at all

I’m aware

Why sustain the belligerence, JV? It's clear to me that you're townreading Kay anyway, so why keep her alienated? If you're town who thinks Kay is town, then I've been expecting for you to seek a stronger game position and form a town duo. But what you're doing right now isn't making sense to me? The only thing that's making sense for me is that scum!you wanted to do a reverse psychology on Kay and everyone else that you wouldn't be acting like this if you are scum (because you'd know how to pocket Kay and this isn't how you do it). Or that both of you are scum wanting to distance so you organize this theater. This entire interaction is coming off as really awkward and forced because both of you have a good rapport outside of the game. And I'm not sure if it's just from your side or both of you.

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me spamming you in dms when you were sleeping lol. Unsure if that’s legal to say? Idfk

You're bringing some meta outside the game into the game, and I'm not against it. Frankly, I don't want to solicit more because I want to respect boundaries. But if there's more context that will explain some stuff and read your slots better, I'm okay with you bringing in more.

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This is a weak read at best and I don't know if it's a real one!

According to you, the subject of the read.

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Nah, you slipped. It must have been weak, but it's definitely true. You're scum VOTE: Luka

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Luka appraises my scum read of him as a "weak read at best". Not that it's wrong.

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I can't reliably townread anyone and the slot that I wanted to pressure is intentionally stonewalling me. I also don't think I'll get a lot from Luka because the interaction will just tilt me and make me tunnel if they're town. Umlaut's vote confuses me because at one point he tells me I'm playing badly, and now he just thinks I'm scum? This game isn't gelling well for me so I'll just wait for Eiralox's "own time" and follow anything Firebringer wants to do.

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Nah, you slipped. It must have been weak, but it's definitely true. You're scum VOTE: Luka

VOTE: HEM
U slipped

hey not to put a lot of pressure on you but i think this day 1 really relies on you leading the town into something good and if this is the best you can do then I'm really disappointed

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I can't reliably townread anyone and the slot that I wanted to pressure is intentionally stonewalling me. I also don't think I'll get a lot from Luka because the interaction will just tilt me and make me tunnel if they're town. Umlaut's vote confuses me because at one point he tells me I'm playing badly, and now he just thinks I'm scum? This game isn't gelling well for me so I'll just wait for Eiralox's "own time" and follow anything Firebringer wants to do.

Genuine question, what do you expect to gain from said pressure? I'm not a noob enough scum that I'll crumble with a single vote on me, so what will this "pressure" amount towards if you're town? And, why am I intentionally stone walling you? Your read is bad, that's that- nothing to really interact with, no?

it's not about you. I'm aware i won't get much from you, that's why i said so. i was talking about eiralox who has been completely ignoring me thus far.

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VOTE: Eiralox

This is the best place for my vote. I really really want to sheep Firebringer instead but he's just not interested in the game as much as I want him to be. Eiralox has been delaying his big reveal and I'm not convinced that there's a big reveal anyway. Stop making yourself hard to read if you're town, please.

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FWIW, I don't want to townread them because I still get the vague feeling that they could still be scum, but I can definitely feel a unity forming between me, Hu Tao, Kay, and JV - not unity in the sense of reads but in the sense of where our heads are. Firebringer not being in that unity feel is a bit alarming.

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I guess more accurately, I can project myself to them more easily and I don't know how relevant it is for reading them as town. But it's there and I feel that.

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my reads are 10x better

see, this is how i feel like you're TMI'd as fuck and you keep slipping. because you say things like this like your reads are 10x better and how the fuck would you know if your reads are better if we're in day 1 with so little information on the board

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I think the top 3 are relatively spewed town at this point

> top 3 spewed town
> includes him

so it's just kay, right? are you really arguing that you are spewed town?

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Okay, yeah, Luka I recognize you are being townread by many and maybe I'm wrong about you, so would you tell me what I should be townreading about you? I keep spotting perspective slips from you that I feel so strongly about. And that everybody seems to be downplaying because you've been making a lot of effort to share your reads, which people townread (I don't townread effort, and maybe this is the issue). Have you done anything that you or anyone with the skill level that you're projecting to have wouldn't be doing? I see you mentioned that you having a TWTBAW stance on Eiralox is something you wouldn't take, but I don't understand it. And you're open to eliminating them anyway, which makes the read meaningless - not that I'm against you eliminating them.

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for HEM to really think it is meaningfully >rand scum.

I don't think the naked vote leans scum inherently, I just wanted to force them to verbalize why they naked voted so they can be readable.

HEM, is this a reaction test or what?

Eiralox was trying to be sassy, so I went sassy. When they started to stonewall me, I brought it back to a level but they kept stonewalling me.

Why didn't you get on my case the same way for naked-voting you? What's the difference?

Part of the day. The naked votes on me came as I replaced in, and with no context, and in a part of the day where there isn't much activity from the game. Meanwhile I had more context for yours, and I asked for your reason anyway, and we're in a much deeper part of the game

a surefire definite slip

Okay fine, I'm not sure they're surefire definite slip. I feel like they could be slips and I feel strongly about them, and I voted and faked confidence to see their reaction. When their reaction was taunt and make fun of my mafia skills, I knew it was going to be a fruitless route so I dropped it immediately.

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the answer is undoubtably the fact that I'm not burying Eiralox?

uhm, if this is something to town read you with, then it won't work with me as I can already see you winding up to vote with me on Eiralox. but I understand that I can replace it with me and I recognize that you're not really burying me - which works better for me. at this point, you'll have to bury me to score my elimination because the initiative won't come from GIF, Kay and JV (I think?) and Hu Tao only wanted to do E-1s. Fine I'll ignore your slot for now.

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I just think if both Eiralox and I are town then you really don't have to bury anyone of us because one of us is bound to be the elimination anyway. But that's maybe ELo stuff, I guess.

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If you want something to town read from me, the answer is undoubtably the fact that I'm not burying Eiralox? This is a team game as mafia, and I would have teamates. If I bury this one little goober than my teamate is basically safe for the day and I lose nearly no credit; that's the one thing I would truly town read from myself. Other than that, good question. I don't know what I would town read and I don't know why exactly I'm being town read either. My recommendation is just to hop on the TR Luka train and see if I die soon ^w^

Actually Luka, why does this paragraph assume Eiralox would flip town? What context am I missing there?

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i'm not gonna self-vote, and i'm still going to try and play the game the best way i can. put your theory to the test and vote someone else other than me.

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Still like my vote.

And why do you still like your vote?

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i'm not gonna self-vote, and i'm still going to try and play the game the best way i can. put your theory to the test and vote someone else other than me.

How do u think following me is the best way you can play when you theoritically are town and i am misreading yourself. What makes my reads sheapable or better than your own just because you know im town. In theory, nothing.

So u voting with me is def not 'playing ur best' unless you believe in my reads. Which for all intents and purposes from your standpoint, if your town, you shouldn't.

It's been hard to form reads for me in this game, and quite frankly Eiralox is just the best vote for me but I'm not even convinced that he's more likely to flip scum than say JV, or Hu Tao, or Umlaut, or Luka. GIF is useful to be around because they townread me and it's better to decide on them later. Same with Kay. Voting with you will make sure town has the guaranteed power to have at least 2 votes on any slot that isn't me. I hope that explains why I'd rather sheep you instead.

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weird question but ok

Umlaut sent out a lot of questions for me and the reasons for his vote, which I answered, so I'm curious how he progressed from there and why he still likes his vote. I don't think it should be weird for me to know why.

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VOTE: GuyInFreezer

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If Eiralox is scum, then scum would have pushed for my elimination harder - unless they're very comfortable with their position and believe not one of them would be eliminated day 1. But if Umlaut turned out to be scum, then that might just be the case and town resisted my wagon, and Eiralox would be the last scum.

If Eiralox is town, then scum is very comfortable and they're not within GIF and Jackson. This is because I gave Firebringer a lot of power today by declaring to give him a +1 on any of his vote, and they would have been resistant to that change in gamestate.

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I will still sheep you Firebringer, but those are my reads and I want you to consider it. It feels strongly relevant that the game was static for a very long time in these past 3 days (?) or so.

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I’ll sheep if there’s no other info coming in. I’ve had a long ass weekend and I’m getting over being extremely sick. I’ll do better on day 2 if I’m here.

I don't think KJQ and GIF are SvS, otherwise Kay would not have trapped herself with this declaration.

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Could be, but I bet scum in particular would feel more interested if there's something to be concerned about.

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I don't want to eliminate GIF too, and I think he's probably town if Eiralox is town, but I'm Firebringer's plus one and I'll vote where he does.

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VOTE: GuyInFreezer

HEM just jumps on anything

VOTE: HEM

also quite ironic since your stance today is you'll jump on anything

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Which one is the reaction test? That you'll vote anyone on E-1, or your vote on me?

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==Eats Mafia for breakfast, maybe==
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==Mid but Town==
Luka

HEM's only read amounts towards me being a wolf here, so why do you have me mid but town and them higher, presuming the mid is refering to reads?
(Also, presuming the scum team is Mel / Eir I don't think that I've played that poorly joycat)

Being town != Being right

GIF should have been prodded 18 hours ago.

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@Mod: limited access until Sunday

My family has 3 birthdays this week :^)

Oh damn.

Hey GIF isn't probably showing up until deadline, Firebringer. Do you want to keep your vote there?

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I read and there's really nothing that happened that I want to respond to. I sympathize with KayJay saying she can't get reads out of anything that's happening, this is a hard game to form strong opinions in.

HEM did ask me why I still like my vote for him, which I agree is a weird question because, like, I like it for the same reasons I did when I made it.

Oh damn.

Hey GIF isn't probably showing up until deadline, Firebringer. Do you want to keep your vote there?

This is kind of a funny question since your vote is also there.

This is only funny if you haven't been reading the thread. I'm voting with Firebringer, and I've made my reasons clear on why.

weird question but ok

Umlaut sent out a lot of questions for me and the reasons for his vote, which I answered, so I'm curious how he progressed from there and why he still likes his vote. I don't think it should be weird for me to know why.

Respond to this so you're not so weirded out.

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Umlaut made a big show about trying to convince/unconvince himself voting for me, but I now doubt its sincerity. His reasons for voting for me is that 1.) I joked too many times in my entrance. 2.) asking people about their naked votes. 3.) I'm forcing a push on Luka - and I've answered all of them. Are these really reasons to think I'm scum? Where's the attempt at evaluating my alignment? If he's still saying that it's the same reasons then the effort was just all for show and to possibly remove scum-cred for my eventual town flip.

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VOTE: Umlaut I get that this is probably going to get me eliminated but it's less than 24 hours but I can see where this is going and I'm super annoyed at the current gamestate. I'm vanilla town. This slot is the scummiest among my votes. I want all of you to focus all your attention to sorting this fella and possibly investigating them if any of you are PR.

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which sounds a lot like you are leaning scum on Eiralox because of the naked vote. Why would you worry about tunneling on and leading everyone else toward the elimination of someone you aren't scumreading?

It's a pressure technique. It didn't work anyway.

Your standard has just become "this guy is scum" to "that doesn't prove your innocence". Just anything to keep your vote on me, I guess. Whatever.

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Maybe I just go to my original read idk

VOTE: Eira

Just go for Umlaut right now. If he's town, what has he really done? He spent the last few days tunnelling me on basically what amounts to null reads? Where are his other reads? Oh yeah, a Kay scumread because she's hypersensitive or something? Yeah, he doesn't look good.

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Luka's probably gonna do JV, and if it goes to E-1, I'm fine to hammer it. But I do actually think Umlaut will flip scum here.

I wanna talk to the Umlaut townreaders. What's so town about Umlaut? If it's effort, then may I remind you that Umlaut hasn't really done anything other than tunnel my slot without developing it despite the read being down to "I can't prove you're town" - which is basically null. And that's after going after my slot (including CJ) for the entire day. The other push is Kay for being hypersensitive, which he has backed away from. Where's his curiosity for the other slots? Even Hu Tao did more gamesolving than this guy.

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This is exactly the happy contented guy that we should be looking at in a game where I feel it has been a struggle to grasp a read on everyone else.

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This is exactly the happy contented guy that we should be looking at in a game where I feel it has been a struggle to grasp a read on everyone else.

Okay well i read his iso, and i think ur def mischaracterizing him doing nothing or having no progression or w/e,

how so?

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Okay, but what did he really had on me to justify tunneling and parking his vote on me for 5 days and content on letting it linger until deadline? i don't call that development when he has had nothing on me but hasn't looked at anyone else even though his reads on me are just basically null? would you call that development?

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man, i want to talk to you about my reads because (a) I'm sure you're town and won't manipulate me and (b) you disagree with me. you do realize that I'll have to convince the most influential guy in the room to convince other people to vote with me. if I'm not having this conversation with you, i don't think anyone would listen enough that I'll get him at E-1. i just want to be listened. you don't want to argue with me, fine, i can respect that. but it's very helpful that you listen to me and argue back, so at least i can also develop my read on Umlaut.

and to your concern: it's 5 days, man. and he has checked in here during those times to confirm that he's still okay with his position in the game, even calling it weird that i find it notable that he's still okay to vote me. i don't think it's a matter of him being active or not, but that he's just comfortable in the spot he found himself in. just saying that if I'm looking for scum in my wagon, i think umlaut is the best candidate for how he played around it.

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The question is: Why are we really stagnated? I don't think it's a coincidence that we have stagnated where we are - but I'm a bit biased because I know I'm town. I think there's a lot of scum-motivation for us to be stuck in the gamestate that we were especially if Eiralox is town as well.

Luka has been as active as they could in the time that they're here. So did I. So do you.
GIF is on V/LA, and so it's NAI.
I can understand why town!Eiralox would have parked their vote here - if they switched up, they're probably going to be the top wagon. And they scumread me anyway.
I can understand why town!Kay would have had a hard time having reads in this game - because that's also been me.
I can understand why town!Hu Tao would have chose to E-1 on all except on a townread.
I can understand why town!JV would be comfortable on Eiralox/HEM wagons because we are scum leans/reads.

It's really just Umlaut that I do not understand why they're playing the way they would if they were town. Town!Umlaut in this case have parked his vote on a read that could be summed up to null without taking a look at Eiralox despite them being in their pool. Why would that make sense?

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i can do eiralox too, if enough people says "same"

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VOTE: Eiralox

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Pivoting at 3 hours? I hope this ends well

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VOTE: Eiralox

So I'll humor you, once in this game. Let's say you're town. I know you're sharp. Naturally, scum have to be Umlaut and GuyInFreezer, yes?

how so? what about gif do you find scummy? theyve been absent for the past days, and I'm not sure what about their dayplay did you find scummy

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not serious in an effort sense but in a consistently-not-relaxed sense. briefly explaining my current headspace, Luka caught Overcat in TMI'ng too early, Overcat doubled down by hard scum reading Luka to counter, which was in itself a TMI stance in this instance.

i don't understand this, because even Luka feels like his early game read on Overcat was weaker than the subsequent Hu Tao scum read - also based on TMI. If you're supporting his reads, why are you choosing to support an outdated read they don't believe in anymore?

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my mind is absolutely breaking and at this point i don't know how to eliminate

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Umlaut, claim?

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Bye bye Firebringer <3

Saying this after claiming PR.

O.o

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no, it's bad. eiralox is behaving badly. i can see it too.

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like, right now, in my head, i'm weighing against Eiralox scum vs Umlaut-JV scumteam.

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But what if we let it sort out in some other days? Like, give him tomorrow max? I think it's unoptimal play to elim claimed pr. But there's that thing where the circumstance of his claim and his play is shoddy. But if he's PR, it's consistent with how he played today in that he avoided dayplay like the plague. Although it would be the same if he's scum.

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VOTE: Umlaut

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it's probable that firebringer was the kill and eiralox protected him
i don't know how that makes me scum luka, so let me hear your theory

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Any wolf targeting the IC when Eiralox claimed protective is pretty bad at mech so I don't know how you're all so confident on this.

No, you're probably right

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Hu Tao is ocrams razor town given they would likely kill me during the night were they to be a wolf

Why do you think this, instead of scum eliminating one of Eiralox/Firebringer?

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JV, haven't you always scumread my slot?

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My read on the game right now is I've been top wagon for the entire day 1 only for the day to end with the two of my scumreads being the end-of-day candidates for elimination. I even claimed VT thinking that would be the end of it and I'd be the day 1 elimination. Then the day ended with three claims instead of my just one. Scum buddied me up and voted with me no doubt.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to hear from GIF now. Although I don't think GIF would fit the description of one of these scum who buddied me up, as he's entirely absent to influence the game. Earlier, I noted feeling united with Hu Tao, JV, KJQ and perhaps there's one scum in here trying to blend in with town by echoing emergent ideas. The emergent idea being that it's difficult to parse the game. I don't know why I'm bringing JV into this unity because he made a hard stance in the game, but I guess he acted so similar to us that it felt like he had similar ideas. This is more feeling-based than logic, but sometimes that's more real than not.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm also asserting that there's real scum motivation in moving away from my wagon once I claimed VT. It would help scum by continuing to dayhunt PRs and would leave my slot unresolved. Although I'm not saying that whoever initiated that (Hu Tao, I believe) is inherently scum for it. Hu Tao isn't the only player in the game and someone else could have enabled it by encouraging it. Still, I'm not eliminating the possibility it was also Hu Tao.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Especially since I pushed Umlaut as I claimed VT. A door opened for scum to push Umlaut - where there wasn't before. (I believe Umlaut was townread by a majority before that, sorry about that)
I don't want to advocate for people to scumread me but if the people I'm townreading now (Firebringer and Luka) did scumread me then maybe the town perspective is to scumread me. Perhaps there's one scum in Hu Tao/KJQ, perhaps both of them.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, since I claimed VT, I will understand if people can solve the game easier if they can resolve my slot. I understand that there's a lot of issues with my slot. So if the day ends with my elimination, I don't mind as long as people assure me that it's going to result in a mech-solve or something like that. I just want to participate in that discussion.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's because a mech solve usually involve a claimed investigative, and if they come with a clear and the mechsolve requires to clear me first, then I'm going to concede.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: KJQ This isn't the Kay I played with. Kay I played with is much more skeptical and tries to be more independent with her reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think Kay thinks I have a good point if she can't understand me, and won't immediately call GIF as helpful without asking more questions.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not convinced it's her as a wolf though

Where do you think it's coming from?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Someone is scum between JV and KJQ, I can feel it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, I don't buy that they could be unpaired. I want to talk to Luka about that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your dynamic is off. Mostly from your end. You're overly snappy at KJQ instead of the usual sweet. Cheeky at most, if you're against each other. I don't buy that this is how you would behave toward her even if you think she's scum. It feels like an overcorrective way to distance yourself or a reverse psychology.

[humaneatingmonkey]

>Asking
>I tell
>ATE immediately

Town reaction, definitely.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Syke! It doesn't feel genuine.

[humaneatingmonkey]

JV, step out of the PC. We're playing a social game about trying to discern human behavior to figure out who's lying. Snap out of your trip. You volunteered to be with us here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Again, you asked. I can have thoughts, thank you very much. And I will verbalize my thoughts when asked.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your VCA might be wrong because while you eliminated the possibility that Umlaut wasn't all-town (I agree), you didn't eliminate the possibility that Eiralox E-2 was all-town. And if you think it's not possible, I want to hear why.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mostly confirmed town voting doesn't really give me info, other than Hu Tao is +town a tiny bit from this.

And also this, because I don't think scum voting to put a town on E-2 is unheard of, so I'm not sure why Hu Tao is +town on this.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If I assume that Eiralox E-2 was all-town, then that means all of GIF, Firebringer, HEM, Hu Tao, and KJQ are all town.

I am a very slow person, so you'll have to spell this one out to me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If scum is KJQ and Luka (kinda ridiculous but let's humor it because they're not cleared), and Eiralox is all town, then they wouldn't be able to join in either because they'd be putting a town on E-1 before deadline was really relevant. afaik, KJQ was floating with reservations and Luka was all-in on Hu Tao in reads but has . It would be really off for them to just be "let's go Eiralox!".

and if you're scum, then you're scum-reading Eiralox on reads there so you're kinda on the wagon in spirit too.

but i think you're right that scum is probably there. i can vote between Hu Tao and JV. VOTE: JV

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think HEM can't be scum here because there was no reason to heavy push for Eiralox wagon yesterday if he was scum. He could just let the game stagnate and we likely would have elimmed a townie. Unless he was directly doing it to avoid a specific low hanging fruit scum from being end of day elim (which im not seeing).

i will take the townread, and i don't want to jinx myself, but do you mean Umlaut? because i think despite the pressure i gave eiralox yesterday, i didn't feel as if i really pushed that hard (as much as i could have) and volunteered to sheep you instead. or do you mean on end of day?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I just want to hear from Hu Tao now

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: KJQ This isn't the Kay I played with. Kay I played with is much more skeptical and tries to be more independent with her reads.

May you link a game or two? I lack expierience w/ nearly every player here.

Just the one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Again, you asked. I can have thoughts, thank you very much. And I will verbalize my thoughts when asked.

Bestie I think that Jackson is actually a bit annoyed no matter their alignment, you can treat them a bit more fairly.

I had a feeling, they asked why I felt that way, I answered them, and they reacted the way they did. Can you tell me where I have treated them unfairly?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I responded to you about how I felt about yours directly, I don't understand the AtE nonsense you were saying I was referring to you. I feel you're throwing wrong assumptions down my throat, I will call that out.

I'm not throwing/shoving anything down your throat so you can stop visualizing that naughty business. Your dynamic feels off, and I said why it feels off for me. Whether or not you take that and shove it anywhere in your body is your choice. <3

[humaneatingmonkey]

you labelling that as AtE

not what I'm labelling AtE. the AtE was the immediate burst of emotion telling me that i don't know you enough to assume anything. you're right, but i can try!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Pro-tip: You could have always said that, and it would have been a better discussion all-in-all. Note how this time, it's absent of heated language? Now you're appealing to my logic.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Someone else should read JV because I tend to misread this guy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

is Luka a really good player from MU? if so, has he really done anything outside of his scumrange? asking @jv and @fire

[humaneatingmonkey]

i ask because if luka is scum, then he's winning by PoE. and i don't really see anything from him that would want to make me remove him from my PoE, because Hu Tao hasn't flipped scum. if he survives to ELO, and Hu Tao is town, and I'm not here anymore somehow, save for a redcheck, maybe eliminate the guy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I might be distracting the town. I'm just gonna trust Firebringer and GIF on Luka. Maybe the right elim is Hu Tao mechanically, just so we can find out if Luka is town. I don't think Luka pushes a teammate in the middle of a humaneatingmonkey/Eiralox dual-wagon that they're going to townread, unless they underestimate how swingy the game can get. VOTE: Hu Tao At least if Hu Tao flips scum, we can stop worrying about Luka.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: unvote

[humaneatingmonkey]

sorry, i wasn't paying attention to the VC

[humaneatingmonkey]

if there's someone else who has a pretty important role in this game, counterclaim in your next post

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think we might as well massclaim, tbh

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hu Tao, why target JV if your FOS is Luka?

[humaneatingmonkey]

This setup is designed so that the bodyguard is probably dead by night 1 (protecting the only town) and the IC probably dead by night 2 (after the bodyguard dies). So we're robbed of night kill analysis as a starting point if we don't eliminate scum in day 1 and day 2, but since we have an IC - we are looking at a slimmer pool. My take is, I'm not sure there's a balance to giving town another way to get conftowns through a gated tracker if we eliminate 1 scum. Unless it's a very specific gate (that I have in mind).

I wanna ask what the gate is, but this is more Firebringer's call.

[humaneatingmonkey]

JV will be prodded in 5 hours.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If Kay and JV are scum together, do people think that they're more likely to:

1.) replicate their town meta where they would townread each other and form a block - and if one flips, the other claims pocketed?
2.) try to distance themselves against each other and try not to vote together on day 1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

If Luka is scum, do people think that they're more likely to:

1.) On day 1, avoid the top two town wagons who can turn into elims without their help - townread both slots, and tunnel another town slot. (Their partner can push either, if it's really needed.)
2.) On day 1, position themselves as a potential vote to top two town wagons so they can maintain focus and secure an easy town elimination.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't know what to make of GIF. I think I'm very much pocketed if they're scum. One thing I'll say is if they're scum, doing a VCA upon entrance when you're not really a participant yourself in the last 5 days of day 1 is an excellent strategy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

1. I think the best for today is to not eliminate Hu Tao and wait for her to full claim tomorrow or die by nightkill.
2. I also think it's best if we choose an elimination that makes sense whether or not Hu Tao is a partner or not.
3. I'll be choosing between Kay and JV because if Hu Tao is lying about his claim, the partner is unlikely to be Luka. As I've said, I don't think Luka tunnels a partner where there's risk of the game swinging towards that partner - and especially if there are two viable town wagons.
4. Is the partner likely to be GIF? I think, only if the primary strategy for scum is to fakeclaim PR. That's because GIF's VCA entrance focused discussion on Hu Tao being a possible wolf - and so that's a big risk consideration when trying to make a distance play like that. I'm not sure if scum would specifically strategize day 2 around claiming PR, as they're probably uninformed if there are remaining town prs left and claiming as a primary strategy would be suicide. Unless: They are informed that there are no more PRs in the first place. So I think if Hu Tao is fakeclaiming, it's probably a last-minute play.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Reminder that we're in a simple game. The only gates for Hu Tao are X-Shot, Odd/Even, and Novice. He's claiming X-Shot or Odd-Night. I don't buy either.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think your claim is incompatible to the game's balance unless it's exactly the gate i'm thinking about right now, and yes that makes you scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

These shots are so cheap, Hu Tao. I have paragraphs worth of reasons for what I think about game balance. If I'm scum who knows what the scum roles are, and you're telling the truth about your claim, wouldn't I just believe you?

If you're town, just admit you're fake claiming.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So I’m still hung up on the fact Jack implied he would claim something at E-1. It makes me feel like either Jack or Hu is scum and is either fake claiming or claiming their scum role as a town roke. So one or the other is bad. Or they could both still be bad in this scenario but I feel strongly that at least one has to be.

That's why I'm waiting for the new JV single to drop.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You have a good result? Didn't you target JV and still believe he's scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I still think HEMs 180° is sus. Probably realized he needs tracker gone ASAP.

it's not a 180 if i want you to eliminate you even way before your claim. i also really don't buy that you would think that i'd need the tracker gone asap if you think I'm scum and my partner is still alive. regardless i already said we should avoid eliminating you today and eliminate one of jv/kay, but i think you're probably fakeclaiming scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

also if i'm scum, i can just play along everyone else and believe your claim and kill you tonight. firebringer townreads me, and i'd never kill him here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[humaneatingmonkey]

I expect her to check me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think I wanna be daring and let Hu Tao stay on for tomorrow so she can either get cleared by kill or we get a 1v1 ELo tomorrow where she claims an inno/guilty and she's forced to act on it. It will be an easier game that way.

GIF is cleared by slimming down PoE on JV where he didn't need to.
Kay is cleared, barring planned hardbus.

VOTE: Luka

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't want to toot my own horn but I will never risk town!HuTao tracking me (she scumreads me) by killing the IC that begged everyone to never vote me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

And the play I'm making now? I will never risk town!HuTao to walk away from this day and trap me in a 1v1 on ELo tomorrow.

It should be

CRYSTAL

to anyone that I'm town. I'm the new IC. Deal with it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm super open minded so you can you be assed to argue with me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

"you're bad, this is bad" is super cringy to hear when i want to engage in dialogue and will make me deeply want your elimination in an emotional level.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i dont go "this person has a very large scum range! :3" p2 as s/s be real

why not? distancing exists, and no one in this playerlist has really buddied up on JV so the idea that scum will only try to save their teammate or be buddy with them doesn't fit in this universe?

[humaneatingmonkey]

alright, i just want to set the tone of how i want your conversation to go. i don't want to throw the game eliminating town!you just because we don't have a solid rapport.

on the main topic, even though you noted that JV has a large scum range, it wasn't much of a push and you've played around the slot putting them in your bottom half but barely trying to get anyone to eliminate them. your focus has been hu tao, GIF, and me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

One in Hu Tao / HEM
One in Jackson / Gif

One in Hu Tao / HEM
One in Jackson / Gif

Hu Tao / GIF
Jackson / HEM
Ocrams razor those are the two teams. Jackson very unpaired w/ KJQ, I want to see them try to solve today.

after saying these, you spent the rest of the day phase being as far away from engaging jackson as possible iirc. you dropped this much later:

I'm operating under the assumption that KJQ is town, if I'm getting snowed well I've gotten snowed before.
Hu Tao is self resolving and we should ignore the slot for now, frankly the claim is NAI but I still want the slot to resolve.
Myself / the IC are well, the IC.
The IC is calling HEM their top town and I want to sheep that under the assumption that the read is solid.
^ A bunch of words
[GIF, Jackson] becomes the poe :3
Which, is probably not a good POE!
But, fuck it!

but felt like you procrastinated pushing and voting JV/GIF

i can't help but think this doesn't quite fit with your unpaired argument

[humaneatingmonkey]

but i feel like mechanically, having Hu Tao stay for ELo is better...

[humaneatingmonkey]

but i feel like mechanically, having Hu Tao stay for ELo is better...

It’s really about playing greedy vs playing safe

Alright, if Hu Tao doesn't solve the game today, I'm going to elim him

[humaneatingmonkey]

her

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hu Tao doesn't even want to try, so let not even. VOTE: Hu Tao

[humaneatingmonkey]

No one has buddied JV. The remaining scum distanced. That's a given.

[humaneatingmonkey]

well you tell me. you scumread me, right? make a case or something

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hu Tao's got a lot of time to crack this game open

[humaneatingmonkey]

I really don't need to, bud

[humaneatingmonkey]

I still want a Hu Tao elimination

[humaneatingmonkey]

Still do

[humaneatingmonkey]

i still do

[humaneatingmonkey]

Enchant, are you town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

vote hu tao

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you ban me without even looking at my iso and you're town, this is going to be our last game forever

[humaneatingmonkey]

*vote

sorry, another game is bleeding in

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh that was a rule

if you vote me without even looking at my iso and you're town, i will remember

[humaneatingmonkey]

you don't even have to interact with me, the day's ending in a bit. Luka and Kay will be voting Hu Tao. Luka is choosing between your slot and Hu Tao, leaning your slot but I don't think I would be supporting that. Kay is choosing between your slot, Luka, and Hu Tao - but I think they're already leaning Hu Tao. If scum isn't Hu Tao, game is stalled because they're waiting on Hu Tao's elimination. Only Hu Tao really wants me here, ask him why.

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's it, why i see mention of tracker.

Exactly

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hu Tao lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

I keep saying he/him on Hu Tao. Sorry buddy. That's on me. I don't feel good making those mistakes as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

she retracted and has now claimed 1-shot if that's more believable to you

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you ban me without even looking at my iso and you're town, this is going to be our last game forever

this is more melodramatic than anything, but it's now obvious to me how it's OGI and bad in general. will never say this ever again.

[humaneatingmonkey]

FWIW, I don't want to townread them because I still get the vague feeling that they could still be scum, but I can definitely feel a unity forming between me, Hu Tao, Kay, and JV - not unity in the sense of reads but in the sense of where our heads are. Firebringer not being in that unity feel is a bit alarming.

because it's the scumteam + we the pockets

[humaneatingmonkey]

the reverse psychology was too obvious, even i spotted it

[humaneatingmonkey]

trust fall is super fun