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Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 9:39 am

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With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.


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(expired on 2024-05-16 16:20:00)

note: Grovyle in a Fedora is v/la
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Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 11:39 am

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In post 2347, DrNickRiviera wrote:
In post 2345, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2336, Gypyx wrote: In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight
Definitely something that Nick's buddy would say.
This is some quality open wolfing now, I applaud you DGB
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Black, stop listening to the scum :P

It's a Simple, it's supposed to be straightforward, not make you go 'hmmmm would they really give town two very similar roles, darn wifom'

And voting in Smiley/Grovyle does nothing in the bizarro world where Smiley is town who was shot at.
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 11:53 am

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Meh. I just don't understand why scum would shoot there. It's possible they got a PR read I guess
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Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 11:59 am

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In post 160, Thomith wrote:
In post 158, RationalMadman wrote:
In post 151, KayJayQueue wrote: It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.
Oh you mean why I won't vote Elements. It's not only that. I genuinely believe NoElim is best. elements as Scum will claim a PR when eventually voted. As real PR she will do the same. As Vanilla that's still a Townie. It's lose-lose, since it will force a PR to CC her if she is scum or have revealed a significant thing to scum if not.

There is very likely a roleblocker of sorts in a setup this big ('mini' is semantics this isn't a small game). There is huge reason to just NoElim and let's PRs do their thing with Mafia having toe guess so much.
Why would a PR CC in this scenario in a closed setup?
In post 161, Thomith wrote: We also can't be sure that any PR's we might have will be able to outright get any information, because of this being a closed setup.
In post 495, Thomith wrote: Acknowledging the wagon on me.

Just got home from work, let me eat, then ill set down and respond to everything.

I don't know why me claiming is being brought up, as I don't think I'm in range for a claim to be requested of me yet, but let me know if I'm wrong.
They could have gotten something from these maybe but idk. I'm bad at PR hunting
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Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 12:35 pm

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Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.
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Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 12:52 pm

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In post 2354, Aureal wrote: Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.
If it's almost certain that Smiley is scum then why should we fade DGB today?
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Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 12:57 pm

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In post 2351, Aureal wrote: And voting in Smiley/Grovyle does nothing in the bizarro world where Smiley is town who was shot at.
You answered here but I'm not sure why this small possibility is causing you to vote elsewhere

I'm open to hear an actual argument. Maybe I'm missing something
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Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:07 pm

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I do think they are a likely team, even moreso now after skimming over Thomith's iso. Thomith pokes a little at DGB but never really seems all that concerned with solving her. Like he mentions a couple of times how she's not doing anything but it goes nowhere
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Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:19 pm

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In post 2355, Black wrote:
In post 2354, Aureal wrote: Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.
If it's almost certain that Smiley is scum then why should we fade DGB today?
think of it this way: i think dgb is almost certainly scum here, and we have 2 PRs right now otherwise alive. since drnick is odd night, this means that if we remove scum's ability to roleblock, it will force scum to kill there and give me an extra result.

also thomith's actions are less scummy than dgb's here, and it very well could have been a PR read shot since scum have only shot 1 PR so far and probably are desperate to find another this close to endgame.

we remove scum's counterplay to the remaining PRs we have a good shot at getting good info the next day. does that make sense? id really prefer if you voted dgb first here for that reason
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Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:19 pm

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unless its you that's scum with dgb and want to kill a town thomith?
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Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:21 pm

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In post 2336, Gypyx wrote: In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight
we should vote dgb today, not smiley/thomith, who has provided good enough content to give him credibility, the case against dgb is fairly rock solid right now, and you/black/drnick should vote there today.
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Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:21 pm

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anyways about to start my chem final, decided to pop in to let off some nerves, wish me luck!
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Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:23 pm

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In post 2360, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:
In post 2336, Gypyx wrote: In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight
we should vote dgb today, not smiley/thomith, who has provided good enough content to give him credibility, the case against dgb is fairly rock solid right now, and you/black/drnick should vote there today.
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Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:26 pm

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Ok...killing the scum PR is actually a good reason
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Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 1:31 pm

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Grovyle who do you think DGB's likeliest partners are
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Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 2:10 pm

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In post 2358, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: since drnick is odd night
??????
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 2:28 pm

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In post 2365, Aureal wrote:
In post 2358, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: since drnick is odd night
??????
Insert more ??? here

I mean I am odd, but during the day as well!
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Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 2:54 pm

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In post 2365, Aureal wrote:
In post 2358, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: since drnick is odd night
??????
he only claimed odd night targets iirc?
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Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 2:54 pm

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my computer crashed during my exam btw just mobile posting while i totally am not freaking out over this :)
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Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 2:56 pm

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In post 2364, Black wrote: Grovyle who do you think DGB's likeliest partners are
honestly probably gibdo if i had to gth. only person i would say it definitely isn't is aureal though, but tbh thats a tomorrow if im alive issue lol
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Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 3:01 pm

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oh i think i understand where the confusion is, tonight is an even night, so dgb scum flip means that tonight is the only safe night to kill them because after that drnick generates clears, but if dgb alive they just roleblock drnick

but also just remembered that theres no multitasking so im actually trolling so excuse me :) my computer has started back up while typing this up so see y'all
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Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 3:09 pm

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In post 2345, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2336, Gypyx wrote: In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight
Definitely something that Nick's buddy would say.
DGB, how likely do you think it is that scum would have no killed last night. Because I don't think Nick can be scum unless that happened here
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Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 3:14 pm

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In post 2367, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:
In post 2365, Aureal wrote:
In post 2358, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: since drnick is odd night
??????
he only claimed odd night targets iirc?
In post 2213, DrNickRiviera wrote: I will get ahead of all the claiming and say I jailed Thomith/smileydude, so take that when considering the NK

I also Jailed Rational N1(hence me asking him what he did, tried to catch him in a lie), and AD N2
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Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 3:25 pm

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In post 2354, Aureal wrote: Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.
Noticed this and i'm not sure where the idea that I'm working in lockstep with DGB is coming from. I mentioned in my that they were a main suspect for me based on dayplay reads (note how I said DGB+ 1 of Grov/Nick, DGB was the read I felt strongest about atm as well as how I pressed for their claim during massclaim). After the massclaim finished, I spent my work shift the next day considering the mech and found it in contrast with what my dayplay read was.

Now the thing is, and you can check my recent town games to confirm this (mini 2316, Mini 2327, Mini 2333), I tend to have poor accuracy on my initial reads (not to say I don't stand by them, I try to base my reads on things that seem sound to me and I wholeheartedly believe that doubting your ability to make proper reads doesn't really lead to anywhere good anyways). So when i'm put into a position where my mech reads conflict with my dayplay reads, I do think I have a higher chance of success following the former than the latter. More so given that I do feel more confidence in the mech read than the dayplay read in this case.
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Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2024 3:40 pm

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I am going to flip town, what's your big plan gonna be then, galaxy brains?
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