I have no problem with being called MS. Despite my signature, people tend to make mistakes spelling my name anyway. Usually, they add an 'a' in Michel, but that's the first time I saw someone writing Sajin instead of MichelSableheart
yellowbunny wrote:Actually, when I said in my claim post that it would be dreadfully obvious that Cub/Looker/Bill was my mason partner was a refernce to that. I didn't really address it cuz I thought it was obvious that...
Ojanen wrote:...yellowbunny is always defending cubarey even when she acknowledges his suspicious behaviour ("blah blah but probably just overzealous townie" and the rest of that variety).The very obvious and consistent protectivity/coaching yellowbunny exercises on day 1 towards cub/looker strongly reeks of mason win condition, not scum win condition.
Very interesting response, and not at all the one I expected. Let's take a look at the posts I mentioned. I'll add links in adition to quotes for completeness.
post 94
yellowbunny wrote:@Cubarey: I agree with Idiot and Krer...calling Idiot scum for saying that his was a natural response is really weak.
The only other plausible explaination is that you are an innocent townie but are paranoid about anyone questioning your motives. Since I do not believe that you are paranoid I must assume that you are a Mafioso.
Um..you know this how? What evidence do you have AGAINST him being paranoid? If you have something, I'm missing it. While Idiot has said things which are noteworthy, I think you are grasping at straws on this one. Maybe I should call you a Mafioso for making such a strongly worded accusation on such flimsy evidence?
Even though this is not strictly an attack, it gives me a strong impression of the existence of doubt in yellowbounder on the alignement of Cubarey. I would not consider this post defending him.
post 131
yellowbunny wrote:[SNIP]Did Cubarey's comment strike me the wrong way? You bet - and I called him out on it. Do I want to hear more from Cubarey on this? Yeah, that would be helpful. But I am starting to get the vibe that Cubarey was just being overzealous. Still worthwhile to keep an eye on him, though.
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Again, expressing doubt on the alignement of a mason partner? If she had said "I can see why that looks suspicious but I don't think there's much in it", I would have agreed with Ojanen on this one. The way she worded it though, she would be putting pressure on a mason partner, and that seems an odd thing to do.
Post 250
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X wrote:
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YB says there that she sees a CUBAREY - Noob pairing likely. I can see CUBAREY, but Noob? I'm not so sure. Elaborate, please
My intention was to say that there COULD be a Cub-Noob paring which would explain Noob sticking up for Cub...not that there necessarily was. I think in subsequent posts I made it more clear that I wasn't so sure that's what was actually going on.
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Here, she corrects X when he states that she thought a Cuba - Noob pairing likely. However, she simultaneously explicitly leaves the possibility open for Cuba to be scum. Strange action if you're mason partners and know for certain that he's town.
Finally, post #281
yellowbunny wrote:Kreriov wrote:@All - I am going to beat the Cubarey drum again. He basically fabricated a case against X, contradicting himself in the post where he tries to get a case going against X as well as the other post Jase originally pinged. Now he has failed to post in over a week. I do not advocate lynching someone because they have not posted, but it is suspicious as well as very frustrating.
QFT. I wonder if he flaked under pressure?
Kreriov makes a rather elaborate case against Cubarey, which yellowbunny QFT's. Where's the defending of a mason partner there?
Based on those posts, I do not at all find it obvious that you were constantly defending him. On these occasions, you actively (seem to) express doubt about his alignement and put him under pressure.
yellowbounder wrote:Who was missing? Jase and Hero (correct me if I'm missing anyone). This makes me think that at least one of those two had a night choice to make...so I think at least one of them is either PR or scum.
If there are still players who haven't claimed, I find this discussion rather unhelpful. I'm willing to go into this after I am sure everyone has claimed, meaning not before I've fully read the thread. Also, if there are still players who haven't claimed: please DON'T take this as a request for you to claim. If everyone has claimed, please remind me to reply to this when I've read the thread.
yellowbunny wrote:[SNIP]Hero's first move upon entering the game was to attack and vote Cubarey. I mean...really???? No discussion from him...no questions...just vote cubarey.
Excuse me?! The first post contentful post made by hero, in which he voted Cubarey, was
post 307. I'll quote it at the bottom of this post. Are you serious when you say it contained no discussion, just a vote for Cubarey? You do know that was the post where he gave his opinion on all players in the game, don't you?
Also, eight players left. If there are three mafia, a lynch and a nightkill would make it impossible for us to lynch, so we could be in Lylo. The mafia would still need two pro-town players to vote before they can quicklynch, but it's still a good reason to be careful with your vote. Did you take that in account when voting me, yellowbunny?
Continuing my reread.
As promised, hero's post:
Hero764 wrote:Alright, really sorry. I got to page 8 yesterday and was just like "screw it". Laziness took over. Here's my summary now:
qwints - Well, first I'll have to unvote my RV on him, its been long enough since the RVS lol. Anyways, he hasn't really posted much, but I like what I've seen of him from what he has posted. I couldn't find any flaws in his reasoning.
Ojanen - Good player. Nothing really too scummy about him. Not ruling out the possibility though, its just that there's other targets on this D1.
Wall-E (rp. Kieraen) - Alright, I really don't like how he's been playing. He asserts that he's definetly town. But his posting style is very arrogant at times, and he's got this "are you fucking retarded? of course I'm not mafia" tone to his posts. It's like he's trying to act as scummy as possible so that everyone will assume there's no way he's scum because he would be acting too obvious(even though his plan doesn't look to be working so well.) I also don't like how he thinks he can just ignore posts and get away with it because "I'm obviously not scum, stop wasting your time discussing me".
Another side points I'd like to make: He's been very confusing, hell he even changed his vote twice in one post. I just can't imagine why a town player would act like this. He isn't obvscum, but he certainly isn't obvtown, and he's not making any attempts to convince otherwise.
CUBAREY - My no. 1 suspect. I don't buy the noob defense at all(unlike my counterpart ). He even said at one point that he wasn't a noob because he could play mafia on other sites. This, coupled with the scumminess of his posts(which others have already pointed out, and I'm not going to restate unless requested) makes me the most obvious scum target atm. So Vote: CUBAREY
X - He's been getting some flak from people, but I generally agree with the majority of the posts he's made. I honestly don't have much to say on him right now. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have for me about his behavior though.
yellowbunny - As surprising as this may seem, I'm actually finding yellow here a possible scum target. It's just the vibe that I get from his posts, and I thought Wall E did a good job(despite my thoughts on him) in showing his argumental flaws. I don't have many examples to point to, and I'm certainly not near voting for him, but I don't like the vibes I get from him.
burfy - I'm not sure how I feel about burfy here. He's 100% neutral as far as I'm concerned. X did point out his flaws, and burfy did respond to them. His explanations were satisfactory I suppose, but not great by any means.
Kreriov - Not much to say. Probably not scum. Moving along.
Jase - His inactivity makes him look a bit bad, but he's not my prime suspect by any means. I haven't seen anything terribly wrong with his posts as of yet.
Idiotking - Ok, I was fine with him until a few pages back(I forget which), where he defends himself against Wall E. I'm not gonna go look for the exact quote unless requested, but he said something about Wall E voting for him because CUBAREY did, and I'm sitting there going WTF? CUBAREY had been inactive by the time Wall E started doing all his vote jumps between him and X. The defense just made absolutely no sense. He's my no. 3 suspect right now. His inactivity doesn't make him look much better.
Sajin (rp. Lleu) - Not much to say about him. I barely remember what Lleu, and Sajin hasn't done anything wrong yet. Ok for now.
Hero764 (rp. The World No.1 Noob) - Obvious scum.
There is no 'a' in Michel.