For not confirming yet. He and his partner(s) are probably writing his scumclaim now!
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@Kill-kill: Your random vote seems very out of place there. Where do you fall on the DTM-hohum debate?
@DTM: Your post 11 is the definition of bitching. You're complaining about the Mastin bandwagon and defending him before he even has the chance to post. Which raises the question, why are you defending Mastin against an L-3 wagon, DTM?
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DTM: I don't care about what you said in parentheses. I care about this:
That's defending.DTM wrote:Mastin still hasn't confirmed. What are the chances that he is reading the game so far.
@hohum: Why isn't your vote on DTM yet? You seem to agree with my post 20, so why are you still voting for Mastin?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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@DTM:
1. You're bitching about the wagon by defending Mastin. I thought this should be fairly obvious.
2. I don't see the point of this point.
3. You said: 'He hasn't confirmed, what are the chances he is reading this game?' right after he was put at L-3 for the sake of a good bandwagonning. If you can't see how that is defending him, I can't help you.
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Don't blame me if you lack basic knowledge of English grammar.Wikipedia wrote:Parentheses (singular, parenthesis)—sometimes called round brackets, curved brackets, oval brackets, or just brackets, or, colloquially, parens — contain material that could be omitted without destroying or altering the meaning of a sentence.
@hohum:
Is this directed at me?I also care when other people tell ME what to do with MY vote. That's called leading.
@DTM (again): Why have you ignored my post 24?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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DTM wrote:I just said: He hasn't confirmed what are the chances he is reading this game?
So it's okay for you to paraphrase, but it is not okay for me to paraphrase the same thing. Double standards much?You are admitting to ignoring what I wrote in parenthesis, which is part of what I said. Explain yourself why you chose to ignore it when quoting me?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Well, I don't see where I TOLD you to place your vote anywhere. I simply asked a question, that question being why you thought your vote was better used on Mastin rather than DTM, even though you clearly agreed to my point against him. Please answer the question this time instead of avoiding it.Yes, that was directed at you.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I've played with DTM and hohum.
DTM makes long-winded posts, but I only played with him for about a week after he replaced into a game of mine before I got nk'd.
I'm playing a game with hohum. He is abrasive and seems to tunnel a lot. I find it strange that he has switched his vote to me so easily.
I've pseudo-played with Cain and saberwolf (that being the newbie game where day three both started and ended when I was V/LA. Both saberwolf and Cain replaced in close to the start of day three).
I've briefly played with ThAdmiral. (He posted once after replacing in and got Nk'd).I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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That was an attack? I think real reasons are much better for starting a BW over random reasons, thank you very much. Are you telling me you think the opposite?saberwolf wrote:you seem eager to derail a BW in progress and just as quickly start up a new one. Only difference is this one isn't RVS.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Did you agree with my post 20 when you said, 'Well said, Nikanor.' in post 21? If not, what was the point of that post? If so, why was your vote left on Mastin? If you choose to not answer this question again, why are you not answering my question?hohum wrote:Sorry dude, but I'm not going to follow YOUR script. You had no right to question my vote (or lack there of) when the original target of my aggression has yet to present himself in thread. You and DT both effectively mooted pressure on a potentially useful wagon.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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It's all about context. I can't explain your post any more than I already have.DTM wrote:2. The point is read my 27. I agree that you can interpret my post as a defense post, but I'm asking you to explicitly show how I did it
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So long as you respond to your own request as well.saber wrote:those so far in this tunneling: In ONE post, can you please target each player [including myself] and analyze everything they have done, and why you think each one is scummy/not scummy in their own right?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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What? I never attacked you. I'm just trying to get you to answer my bloody question! I have legitimate reasons for doing so. If you are town, your answer to my question will affect my opinion of you accordingly. If you have a reason to not answer my question, say so. 'Your question is dumb' is not an acceptable response. Even stupid questions have meaning.hohum wrote: I'm attacking nikanor for attacking me for not voting you.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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@hohum: So you're saying your random pressure vote on Mastin was more valuable than a vote with some (if little) basis on DT? That's the interpretation I'm pulling from your one answer that is anything close to acceptable.
hohum, some advice: Answer questions well, and your answers won't be questioned. You wonder why people keep asking you the same question? They're not stupid, you just haven't clearly laid out your answer to a degree they find acceptable. Instead of resorting to insult, perhaps you could clarify your original answer next time? It would save everyone quite a bit of trouble in the long run.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I assume my interpretation is correct, then.hohum wrote:Nikanor: If you don't like my answers that's your problem, not mine.
I've never said you shouldn't. I asked if you thought one bandwagon was better than a potential bandwagon. But this conversation has gone on long enough. I have your answer, that's enough for me.hohum wrote:I'll throw my vote around as I see fit.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Defending others is not scummysaberwolf wrote:defending other players is not [always] scummy.if you have reason to think they are town.
DTM has no reason to think Mastin is town. Mastin hasn't even posted yet. Thus, DTM's defense of Mastin is scummy.
You're right, it wasn't intentional. I meant that his random vote felt very out of place in the middle of a hohum-DTM squabble. The fact he doesn't say anything about the debate going on around him, then disappears, made me ever so slightly suspicious of him.I tend to read it as: I don't like where your current vote is, why not vote for DTM or hohum?
I'm looking for potential links. I asked him if he thought DTM deserved a vote based upon the evidence I put forth, since he seemed to agree with me. In my opinion, random votes should be abandoned as quickly as possible in favour of legitimate votes. This is why I questioned hohum's vote choice.Why haven't you tried to make me switch my vote? Why just focus on hohum? He may have agreed with you at one point [but then again, i partially did too], but you shouldn't target like that.
Wow. Selective scumhunting already? Isn't it a bit too early for that?it is very unlikely that all three of them: DT, nik and hohum, are all mafia . I would put nik on opposite sides of DT and hohum if any of them are scum
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Pre-emptively apologizing is a sign of weakness and/or wanting to be on everyone's good side, which is a scummy trait. Personally, I think it's the former, but it's something I'll keep in mind for later.Kill-kill wrote:if I offended someone I apologize
I asked you to comment on the minor disagreement between DTM and hohum on page two. Does it matter now? No. You also acknowledge that in your post. So why do you continue to provide your interpretation? To me, this feels like a post for the sake of posting.Nikanor, I didn't comment on the L-3 situation because at this point I really don't think it matters.
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Well, I'd rather be picky and have something to talk about than not be picky and just sit around twiddling my thumbs.DTM wrote:it's the start of the game so you get extremely picky over the small things
Speaking of which, where is everyone? Surely they've had enough time to catch up and provide insight by now.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Scum aren't going to come and explicitly say, 'We're scum. Lynch us now, please.' A lot of scumhunting is implicit reading.DTM wrote:I know this game is about implicit reasoning, but if you have nothing to hide then you should be able to explicitly express yourself. Asking people to do their own interpretations of your arguments (which is the point I put against Nik) is the same thing as putting the words in their mouth for you. Yes it's good to think this out on your own, but it's also bad because you assume too much from them. (My bit of mafia theory)I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Nobody said you were scum. Guilty conscience?Toro wrote:I put a vote on a guy who hopped on a bandwagon on the first page, and all of a sudden I'm scum.
While I do like my DTM vote, I believe this one will serve me better:
Unvote. Vote: Toro.
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No, I went: I cannot make my case more obvious than I already have. You were implicitly defending Mastin from an L-3 RVS bandwagon. I cannot make it any clearer than that.DTM wrote:He goes: my case is obvious so I don't need to.
@Paragraph I apparently did not understand: Sorry, guess I misunderstood it myself. I thought you were talking about yourself not being able to express yourself explicitly, not me.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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The argument was that you were uncomfortable about the bandwagon because you and Mastin are both scum and you are trying to protect a scumbuddy by trying to tear down his wagon. That was the original argument. It has nothing to do with you thinking the wagon was scummy. So stop bringing that up.DTM wrote:One of the interpretations was I was uncomfortable about the wagon and I tore it down. How does my point not apply to this statement?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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This game is turning into newb central. -_-;
FoS: Everyone who is lurking
Lurking is more of a scumtell in this game. Mafia-tell, specifically. If the mafia can lay low enough to not get lynched or nk'd by the werewolves, they win automatically after three days of continual lynched/nk'd townies. I tell this to the werewolves as well. It's in both the town's and werewolves' best interest for nk's to be directed at mafia. Aim for the lurkers, and you will be more likely to hit mafia, werewolves.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Are you kidding me? You really believe anyone with a differing opinion to be scummy?Scott wrote:It's null either way, and I think anyone perpetuating the issue to be scummy (has,nik)
DTM himself has acknowledged that his post can be interpreted as defending.
I don't like your vote, either. You call two people scummy, then vote for a completely different person. Why is that?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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You said it was useless. Not that it was anti-town. That is why I disagreed with it.Scott wrote:Did you see Cain's gem of a post? Easily the most anti-town post in this game so far.
The argument should continue for as long as it has to in order for it to reach a conclusion.I just think that continuing that argument is counterproductive and people continuing it 5 pages later might be trying to distract the town from finding scum.
In any case, I think the words you were looking for are, 'anti-town,' not 'scummy'. I do not agree with you, but it is reasonable to think of it as anti-town. It is not reasonable to think continuing a discussion that could lead us to scum is scummy, however.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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*Facepalm*.
Zazie is doing a good job of scumhunting. Asking questions IS scumhunting, so long as the questions are followed up on, etc. which I believe Zazie has done. You are calling his scumhunting crap because it is directed at you. This post of yours is so scummy it's ridiculous.
Unvote. Vote: saberwolf.
Also, I'm curious about why you think Zazie is werewolf and not mafia. Any specific reason for thinking that?
I like how you simultaneously agree with my post and say I'm scummy for it.saberwolf wrote:while this post does make sense, it gives me the slightest feeling of mafia redirecting the gun onto someone else.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I thought I had? To which answer are you referring? I see multiple posts that can be interpreted as an answer.Zazie wrote:Post 101 – Nik comments for the second time about Post 86. The first time, it seemed rather passive, just a question. But in this post, it seems an attack, while he didn’t comment to Toro’s answer. So can you, Nik, post your thoughts about Toro’s answer?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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You have answered all of Zazie's questions. I do not see what is impeding you from asking questions now.saberwolf wrote:theres a difference between asking questions to get answers, and then overloading the game with questions so that we're too busy answering questions to ask any of our own.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Your appeal to emotion will get you nowhere with me. If you were town, you should be able to satisfactorily defend yourself. I think you are scum because you are not defending yourself well.saberwolf wrote:Btw, hope you guys realise that because I'm losing the battle, it makes me more likely to be town. Mafia at least know who they are, same with werewolves, therefore they can gang up on an issue and make the other guy look bad. If a non mafia starts a case on me, the mafia arent gonna step in, and same if it were werewolves. All I can hope for are town support, which isn't gonna happen much.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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You can squelch discussion against a partner without defending him outright. That seems pretty advantageous to scum, if you ask me. The two-way defending between DTM and saber is noted.saberwolf wrote:As scum, what do I gain from stopping a conversation between three other people? [anyone can answer this]
@Zazie's question: I was waiting for Cow to answer Toro's post, but then I forgot about it. I'll address it now, though.
Toro was making something that is not scummy into something that is scummy, which is in itself quite scummy.
Did I forget anything? I had a couple more things in my original post, but I forgot them. :/
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Why is it unlikely for there to be four or five scum voting you?peace wrote:I think it's pretty likely that there is 1, 2 or 3 anti-town on the Cain wagon right now so I will be concentrating on those 5 players that voted for me (Cain.)
He was too busy with his OMGUS on Zazie to hop onto the Cainwagon.Seeing the vote count I can't see Saber not wagon voting for me (Cain) if he isn't anti-town.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Triple-negatives confuse me.peace wrote:Seeing the vote count I can't see Saber not wagon voting for me (Cain) if he isn't anti-town.
It does seem to imply knowledge of alignment, but the triple-negative is just as likely a town mistake as it is a scum slip.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Way to say something without saying anything at all.DTM wrote:As Scott points out in your 398 sabre is voting for you. Scum slip? Reading slip? Up for debate.
I think that when the Cain bandwagon started, saberwolf's vote was on Zazie. That's what I meant when I said what I said.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Bolded is mine. Note the irony.peacesells wrote:Kill Kill: I'm a bit confused about Kill Kill. He voted for Cain but subsequently put forth reasons how Cain would be town...not sure what to make of this.Fence ridingwith a hidden vote? Trying to make it seem like he was defending someone while still voting for them? Like I said, confused.
In fact, most of his post is fencesitting. He claims a neutral read on everyone but Scott. Saying that it is pretty likely that at least one scum was on your bandwagon is pretty scummy as well. It allows you to say, 'Oh, that person wasn't scum? Well, there has to be at least one. On to the next one!' Aside from that, I don't know why you said 1-3 instead of 1-5. Seems like a slip to me.
Can you list your top three scumspects please?To be clear on this list. This is only ranking those that had votes on Cain (me) per my thoughts that there must be scum in there somewhere.
Contrary to what I've said above, I get the feeling peacesells is town. First, he mistakes scum for being able to talk during the day, which I think is a minor townslip. On this subject, where else have you played mafia, peacesells?
Also, instead of immediately pushing your wagon, saber, he goes and votes someone completely different. His votehop in his first two posts is borderline scummy (change this to 'extremely scummy' if saber flips scum), but refusing to push an opposing bandwagon is a towntell, imo (unless that opposing bandwagon flips scum, in which case it's a scumtell).
All in all, I think that if saberwolf flips scum, either DTM or peacesells is scum. DTM for the two-way buddying; peacesells for the votehop in his first two posts.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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peacesells wrote:Kill Kill: I'm a bit confused about Kill Kill. He voted for Cain but subsequently put forth reasons how Cain would be town...not sure what to make of this.Fence riding with a hidden vote? Trying to make it seem like he was defending someone while still voting for them? Like I said, confused.Lumi: Seems a bit paranoid that people continue to "singel" him/her out.Not sure what to make of thisbut seems really worried about players directing attention his/her way without any actual votes.
Bolded is the part that makes it fencesitting.DT: If there is a player type in this game I can relate to the most it's DT. His early discuss about Mastin is probably one I would have agreed with. Why jump on someone who hasn't even showed up yet? FWIW I've played with Mastin and his Wall of text was tiresome...along with his insistance that we must META-game him. I have a hard enough time reading everything in one game let alone reading someone elses 5 other games. Sheesh! Anyway, back on topic.I don't see anything particularly good or bad about DT so far.
Your Toro analysis is only slightly fencesitting because you seem to say you agree with him. I assumed from that you were saying you find him pro-town.
Also, you have gone from 'not sure what to make of this' to 'second on my scumlist' on lumi. Care to point out what about her you find scummy?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I didn't realise he was posting in other games. In another game I was in with him, he just got mislynched today for doing almost the same as he's done here. Can you provide game names (since our mod doesn't allow links, although honestly I don't see the problem when we're just using the links to cite easily verifiable fact)?Cow wrote:he is flat-out active lurking. He posted a smiley for reasons either to avoid a forced replacement or avoid a prod. He has said nothing of value for over a week when he's had plenty of chances to and is posting in other games. This is straight-up scummy.
Why Toro in particular? Why not peacesells or Cow?Kill-kill wrote:
Not liking how saber got his own wagon. If he flips scum, Toro in particular is scummy as hellI am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I was providing only hard facts that could be discerned by reading the thread. Is that still not allowed? I mean, how else does one provide evidence for claims like, 'He has been posting elsewhere, therefore he's lurking.' I agree with not actually discussing ongoing games, but if the link is used only as a citation, it should be okay to use, in my opinion.Cow wrote:First off, talking about ongoing games is the same thing as giving links to them. You just don't discuss them. Ever. That's one of the main rules of this entire site.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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@peacesells: Yes, you're allowed to use information from completed games, but not from ongoing games. I knew this rule, but I was not aware that you could not cite verifiable evidence by linking to the game.
/Newbie rule discussion.
@Mod: Please edit my posts as you see fit to remove references to ongoing games.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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