Alphabet Mafia (Gamer Over, Joy Up!)

[pacman281292]

Darn, run over by uber activity...
/confirm.
Rereading 9 pages o' fluff.

[pacman281292]

A large part of the posts around here are just spam.
(it seems like it's following me...)

My opinion about the Mysteriowagon: It's not enough strong. His actitude has been questionable, but I don't see him clearly as scum (at least, not enough to bandwagon him on page 9 of D1 (better: 4 hours after the start of day 1))
It just plain sucks.

Well, abou...
WAI WHAT THE FUCK


Argh...

[pacman281292]

HBD animorph...

Well, what the hell has just happened...
I just have no idea.

[pacman281292]

@Fate (offtopic): How do you bookmark?

BC:

Lynch threashold wasn't changed and the Sample Role PM isn't affected by dissapearing letters.

No i noticed that. I just didn't mean to ask him anything about the sample role PM. Anyways... I noticed something else. If you look at the time stamps the letter P is already edited out of the vote count. Which I didn't notice at first. Its dated as 8:08 for me. And then... shit... I fucked up. I was misreading things. damnit. i thought i was on to something =/

I still think someone on page 8 or 9 killed Friend.

Pacman, READ THE FUCKING THREAD!

Well, it's no good to punch in to find 9 pages of senseless discussion, and then just see a townie getting daykilled.

And, if you meant to refer the only thing I've seriously mentioned: I don't get why should we just speedlynch Mysterio here.

[pacman281292]

goddamnit pacman. you must be the fourth person in this thread that is complaining about the GOOD HEARTY CONTENT in this game so far! Damnit, buckle up and read! It will take 20 minutes and it will give you an understanding of the game. you can't just take my word for who is scum. you actually have to do some things for yourself!

Damnit dram, i want a translator >.<

I mean, a large part of the thread is spam. I don't think there will be a huge ass load of content just 5 hours after the start.
Also, no need to be Capt. Obvious

[pacman281292]

That would've been a helluva random daykill then if there was no content.

Yeah, no.

Pretty much.
I said "a large part of what we have is spam" not "EVERYTHIGN IS SPAM".
It's hard to read thru the spam, so that's delaying him (aside from the hyperactivity here).
But, why Friend?

@Benmage: Err... no?

[pacman281292]

That would've been a helluva random daykill then if there was no content.

Yeah, no.

Pretty much.
I said "a large part of what we have is spam" not "EVERYTHIGN IS SPAM".
It's hard to read thru the spam, so that's delaying him (aside from the hyperactivity here).
But, why Friend?

have you read the whole thread yet?

Who is scum?

@Benmage. i would have been happy to see you daykilled as well. o.o

It'd be better if you were a bit more patient, and if you contributed yourself.

[pacman281292]

First of all: RECKONER STOP SHOUTING PROFANITIES ALL AROUND TO EVERYONE THAT'S ANNOYING, HAS NO CONTENT, AND IS NOTHING ELSE THAN DAMN FLUFF.
Seriously, this totally breachs the civility of the game, and is totally useless. STOP SPAMMING ONCE AND FOR ALL.

FoS: xRECKONERx

Now, some notes on the latest posts. This is being quite long, but there are some things I'd like to point up:

...
WHICH ONE OF YOU
WANTS
TO
BE
DELETED.

Kill claim?

Nah, I don't think so. Maybe annoyed screampost?

Aww I just freaking posted... where did it go? T.T

Benmage gets townie points for his volunteer.

Unvote

TL is clearly claiming kill immunity or something to that effect. Hmm.

Vote: The Longing

This post is just disastrous. TL claimed nothing (everyone else told Elli "SHOOT ME"). And, why the hell Ben should have townie points?
*does not compute*

...
- TL... Obvscum is obv.
...
- BC, <3. Thank you for being obvtown among obvtown.
...
- Parama and Exe are lurking. TL is too. Actively. Don't like pacman either. Need more content to figure things out, but watching all of them with a hawkeye.
...

What I hate the most are comments like these. "Obv scum is obv", "obvtown is obv". Confusing, annoying, and lacking contribution.
Please elaborate on them, guys.
Also, this:

- Parama and Exe are lurking. TL is too. Actively. Don't like pacman either. Need more content to figure things out, but watching all of them with a hawkeye.

You cannot get away with lurking accusations less than 48 hours into a game. Especially when one of those posted less than an hour before you.
Unless you meant the active lurking accusation was at all of us, in which case:

(that's meant to be part of my reply to Triglav).

Mod confusion, don't kill me yet.....wouldn't a Hydra post more, being 2 people... not liking them. Whose your mains?

What is this supposed to mean?

Parama has sometimes been among the shouters, but at least has some meaningful posts (altough without much content). Mysterio's posts have been sub-par too, but the wagon on him is just a bunch of overreacters IMO.
I don't like Benmage much. His repeated claims are starting to get annoying, and his posts are of sub-par quality. Now, his claim; I think he might be a lyncher, or a scum trying to bus in order to get credibility (I'd say he might even be a Jester).
Why do I consider all the options? Because a daycop is unlikely to throw down an investigation so much early. Noobdaycop is also likely, so I'm not throwing any of the options out of the window either.
I don't think he's a lyncher or jester (if he is dram is a bastard mod), and if he's bussing scum we can just scumhunt that out when the time comes.
I've got a plan (which by no means is enforced, but I think makes sense): We lynch Fate; if (s)he is scum, great, but don't throw Ben out of the window automatically. If Fate is town, a vig (if we have one) should nightkill Ben (taking in mind that he might be Jester).
With this said,

Vote: Fate.

[pacman281292]

*facepalm*

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: I said nothing about the caps, but that might be a good idea as well.

[pacman281292]

Meh. I don't care a lot, because
1) I think we've already reached lynch on Fate.
If I counted wrong, I think the roleclaim might be OK. Ben's new description of abilities is really really confusing, and if he's lyncher I'll be severely annoyed.
But if he isn't, it will be ok

[pacman281292]

@MOD: Votecount please.
This should settle that.

[pacman281292]

If ani, then BC. Book it.

badposting

This.
@Fate: Ouch, sorry...
I guess I'll

unvote

for now.
So Ben, might you please be clearer with your power?

[pacman281292]

As i'm rereading... i see some things...

BC, I don't agree with any of your reads.

Mysterio is just stubborn town, Parama not looking great, and Benmage is fine.

show me where he is stubborn.

And...

Pacman is scum based on this post, in regards to his comments on Benmage.

Fixed tags for you.
And, mind saying why considering every single possible scenario is being scum?
I wanted to be sure I wasn't making a mistake at following the cop. However, Benmage's latest posts are starting to get me crazy
@Benmage: I wasn't very clear with my last post. Please, now that you already half-ass outed your power, be clearer and say what it does, and what you got as result. As of now, you're just confusing us.

[pacman281292]

And I still don't get what the hell does Ben make.
First, cop (almost sending Fate to the noose). Then weird investigator role. Then "blind date maker".
What the hell. PLEASE EXPLAIN ME!
[/drunk]

[pacman281292]

23 pages in and mysterio still refuses to stop distracting town.

ROPE PLEASE FOR THE NON-EXISTANT LIGHTBULB THAT IS MYSTERIO'S BRAIN!!!

p-edit: You're worse. You draw all the scumhunting to yourself. Continuously. Everytime we shift wagons, IT ALWAYS ENDS UP BACK ON YOU. I WONDER WHY?!?!?!

p-edit 2: STOP FUCKING POSTING AND LET ME POST!!

[offtopic]This post is win.[/offtopic]
[offtopic]@Kat, Mysterio: NO YOU LOST THAT GAME FOR ME! DAMN YOO![/offtopic]
@Benmage: Third time I ask: What the hell does your ability do, so help us god?

[pacman281292]

Well I'll just claim cause it's all there anyways. I can unite people. Essentially making them lovers.

No idea why might I have missed that.
Well, that's better.

[pacman281292]

@Reck: your main trouble is, you have been shouting nothing the most of time. I won't care much about the broken caps; the trouble is that that might be just a creative way to hide active lurking (from yourself).

I'm callibg Mysterio as idiot town right now.

ani you so scummy.

This Mysterio business is coming to the point where I just want to lynch him to get rid of his noise.

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.
.

Unvote
Vote: Mysterio

Let the QQ begin.

OH HAI GUYS!!! I FOUND MORE SCUM!!

HEY YOU SEEMZ TO BE RIGHT
I get some of the things BC has said. Mysterio's contribution has been very small to this game. However, active lurkers lynches are often the best harbouring port for scum, because it's an easy vote.
In fact, there are soo many opportunistic scumbags jumping into the most comfortable wagon with totally no reasoning, not even knowing the reasons behind that lynch.
Oh well, he claimed... nothing else to say there I guess so...

Because:

A) Elli flip flops from a semi-serious vote to a quick vote on me, and yes, I dislike everyone on the gandalf wagon
B) OMGUS'd me
C) Fakes his softclaim
D) POSTS NO CONTENT AT ALL APART FROM HIS SOFTCLAIMING
E) Active lurks

I just ISO'd him for you to save you the trouble

Now that you mention gandalf, he's lurking too.
Also, I pretty much agree with C and E (I don't get A, B is subjective IMO, and D is just repeating E).

Finally, @gandalf: First, your way to express your opinion on Mysterio is plain bad. However, it's likely that he might be a SK, so we should still keep an eye on him. Not worth a speedlynch, but still worth a view. He is anything but clear.

[pacman281292]

Sorry to do this - but this was my first and last theme park. There are to many people I can't keep track of who said what and I don't have time to sit around and reread this thread every other day so

mod: I am requesting replacement

This slot is town

[pacman281292]

I agree with Parama.

it's a null tell.

This.

[pacman281292]

@BC: So suspecting anyone besides possible-SK (or possible Mafia Assasin) Mysterio is badposting? I don't see how...

[pacman281292]

@BC: So suspecting anyone besides possible-SK (or possible Mafia Assasin) Mysterio is badposting? I don't see how...

Yes. Mysterio is very anti-town and very scummy. Interesting that you brought up Mafia Assassin. I had to wiki that to see what it was. It's a mafia goon with one or more day kills.... interesting.

Well, I think it's quite obv that Mysterio is not the only anti-town role there (if he is?). You can't call bad trying to catch the other scum instead of just ending the day with a speedlynch. We still have quite the time (if not a crapload of it, as this is BaM...)

[pacman281292]

@manho: Time to change that damn meta.
Why? Because I totally hate meta. I don't care about it.
Also, you keep contradicting yourself, and not contributing.

Gotta sleep.

[pacman281292]

@BC:

@BC: So suspecting anyone besides possible-SK (or possible Mafia Assasin) Mysterio is badposting? I don't see how...

Yes. Mysterio is very anti-town and very scummy. Interesting that you brought up Mafia Assassin. I had to wiki that to see what it was. It's a mafia goon with one or more day kills.... interesting.

Well, I think it's quite obv that Mysterio is not the only anti-town role there (if he is?). You can't call bad trying to catch the other scum instead of just ending the day with a speedlynch. We still have quite the time (if not a crapload of it, as this is BaM...)

As far as I know this isn't a a BaM game. otherwise we would have week long deadlines iirc.

Wait you're right. The BaM game is another game <_<

So you say that i am either hindering him from hunting scum by calling him hypocritical, and saying that his posts are not good? While in his posts he is not helping the town nor scum hunting?

Not at all. I meant that I don't think the post we were discussing about was badposting.
You misread me

@BM: You're confusing us with your role. AGAIN.
Stop that stupid randomwandering. You're hurting the town really badly.

Now, back to mysterio. He's not even trying to defend himself. Really scummy now.

Vote: Mysterio

, putting him back at L-1.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: The Almighty Fate will sure hammer now. If he does and Mysterio is town, I'll be severely annoyed.

[pacman281292]

If he does and Mysterio is town, I'll be severely annoyed.

^scum

^why?

[pacman281292]

@Parama: You brought no reason at all, other than "NOT SCREAMPOSTING MEANS BEING SCUM DAISCUMDAI". Heh.
Mysterio didn't reason either. Worse, he's just giving up.
EBWOP: Welcome DGB!
EBWOP: LET ME POST DGB!!!

[pacman281292]

K Mysterio is town.

Oh gawd Elli is so town.

Hey Elli.

I think Mysterio is town.

@DGB: Why are you so sure of that? Just wondering.
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.
.
Oh great. Now you're wagoning me. And I have no idea of why, so I don't know how to defend.

[pacman281292]

@pacman:

I've never seen a DGB attack other than "X is scum".

Good to know then.
However, I do still hate thak kind of mumbling, as anyone differing will be lynched "for not realizing how obvscum is X".

[pacman281292]

It's the use of "WAH WAH" for those that need a reason. This level of snark can only come from a raging townie.

I'm gonna get it the nice way, and say this is just WIFOM, so it isn't a valid argument.
Screamposters are not more likely to be town than non-screamposters IMO.

[pacman281292]

Hai DGB.

So after we string up pacman or Manho, who will you guide us to next, oh glorious leader. also, how many scum are there, do we have an SK, and are there any/other 3rd party roles? (seeing as DGB is omniscient.)

I hope this is a sarcasm...

[pacman281292]

EVERYONE
STOP
WAGONING
ME
NAO
IF
YOU
WANT
TO HAVE
YOUR DEAR FRIEND
BACK

YES, I FUCKIN ROLECLAIMED REVIVER. YOU'RE SOME BIG IDIOTS THAT ONLY FOLLOW WAGONS BECAUSE.
YEAH I OFFENDED YOU, SORRY. AND YEAH, I'M SCREAMPOSTING. I'M SOOO OBVTOWN!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


The shoutposting was serious. I'm Y the 1-shot reviver. Abilities are yapping (discussion blah blah blah) and yonder (reviving people). I'm reviving friend right now, and I'm giving you 2 confirmed townies after this.
This wagon is giving lots of scum. I'm listing 3 for the example: manho, inHim and Exe. They always come back on time for the most popular wagon. They're scum.
Now, if some asshole hammers me while we wait for mod, you know who is obvscum now.
That's it. Now quit that damn lulzwagon and start scumhunting instead of scumfollowing.

Unvote, Vote: inHimshallibe

[pacman281292]

P

lease standby, actions are being

p

rocessed...

Thank you very much!

[pacman281292]

I'll miss Al-habet mafia though.

Nah. I can bet you Friend and I aree the deaths for tonight, or maybe later (we're the obv kills, confirmed townies...)

[pacman281292]

Oh wait manho is also in my wagon?
Book him up for tomorrow morning's flight to teh noose. He will really enjoy it!

[pacman281292]

OMG THIS IS SO FUNNY THE LURKER WHO NEVER POSTS ANYTHING EXCEPT OCCASIONAL FLUFF ACCUSES ME OF ACTIVE LURKING.

ISO me scum, your attempt to associate me with what you do fails hard.

I was literally gone for 3 days. Not active-lurking. Also, you call my last post fluff? Why so RAWR-ANGRY-MUST-DEFEND-MYSELF? Bad-reaction is bad.

Unvote

pending friend's return.

Dram, should Friend be listed in that votecount?

And that's 3 guys! 3 scum caught!

[pacman281292]

No we have 9 scum caught.
DGB, I'M TRUSTING YOU ON LONGING.

Zazie
Kai
Inhim
Exe
Manho
LooseNoose
Ani
Mehplus
Chrono

9/24 is too much IMO. Shrink 'em to 6, then that will be our scumteam.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: Also, I think you might have some mistakes on that scumlist, Elli.

[pacman281292]

Pacman, tri claimed M for monitor. Claims 3 anti-town teams of 9 total.

ISO'ng tri will be the fastest in finding the post.

Dammit, why do I always miss the RCs?
Also, @Elli: First, there's no reason to be sure Tri may be telling the truth (that might be a falseclaim).
Second, there are some guys on the list there whose only fault is lurking (not actively, plain lurking). They should be put on the "to watch" list, not on the "OBVSCUMLYNCHNAO" list.
Third, mole's Title wasn't granted to him freely. MafiaWiki "The list" and you'll find out why.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: Yeah, third is also related to my explanation. In a quite funny way.

[pacman281292]

Triglav is obvtown.
Lurking + PoE = scum.

I

know

I'm right. AND YOU WON'T CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.

What's PoE? I'm not used to that term...

OH I KNOW YOU WANT TO REPLY PACMAN
I KNOW YOU'LL SEE THIS IN YOUR PREVIEW.

DON'T.

I wasn't. I was checking another game. Elli fails

[pacman281292]

No one else finds the Pacman - Inhim swing odd? Especially when people were previously calling Pacman or Manho. Interesting.

Elli's scumlist is 90% lurkers. Surprise surprise.

Manho, Inhim, or Mafuyu are likely scum. Gandalf and Fate too. In that order.
Not going to fight a wagon, so Inhim it is.

Vote: Inhim

Exe needs moar rope.
Definitively.
Meh, maybe tomorrow. We can lynch inHim today.
PEDIT: Well, inHim roleclaims. Are we buying it too and shifting to Exe? Or...
And ani is the innocent child. Hah!

[pacman281292]

PACMAN IF YOU WEREN'T THE ONE WHO REVIVED ME I WOULD SOOO WANT TO LYNCH YOU

l0l

[pacman281292]

Wait..... reck really claimed vig? Why did pac wait to bring back friend.... why is Myst alive?

'cuz Vengeful townie isn't an enough strong role to waste a revival on.
I wanted to hold this 'til when it was better for town, but thanks to lulztown I was forced to release the bombs in order to save my own ass.

[pacman281292]

Not sure about inHim yet. His role seems unusual...

Unvote, vote: Exe.

No defenses, just trying to throw mud to the funny wagon I created.

[pacman281292]

RECK, MASS RB ARE GOOD.

This.
It's good to have 2 consecutive days. So...
@inHim: Use your mass RB tonight. If it works, lynch manho. If doesn't, lynch inHim (or manho again!)

[pacman281292]

I agree with Longing.

VOTE: manho

First of all, I do agree too.
Second of all, no need to hold the lynch. Exe can be lynched tomorrow too.
And third of all, DGB said that.
Ergo,

Unvote, vote: manho.

[pacman281292]

Exe is right but may be scum, however, wasn't this behavior normal for him in CEB?

You'd think I'd said that already...

Not sure about inHim yet. His role seems unusual...

Unvote, vote: Exe.

No defenses, just trying to throw mud to the funny wagon I created.

I fail to see how not-defending myself is a scumtell. Defenses waste time. Scum hunting doesn't.

That said, Inhim's claim is still fishy to me...sounds more like it was supposed to be "Phase ends" rather than "Phase ends and anything that was done is nullified." However, that can be tested, as has been said.

Unvote

In the meantime, Manho lynch makes a lot of sense (see my post before with my scum suspects). Two ISOs so far still read scum to me.

Vote: Manho

Well, just attacking the other wagon in order to avoid a wagon on yourself, when the other wagon has a claimed role... That's at least dubious.
MOAR MANHO VOTES PLZZ

[pacman281292]

attacking the other wagon in order to avoid a wagon on yourself, when the other wagon has a claimed role...

Right...cuz a "claimed role" = do not lynch.
@Parama: Inhim claimed post 893 and continued to describe it a bit more the next page or two.

In short: Misinterpreting scum here.
In long: A claimed role like inHim's can be confirmed (or else). So, we can just tell them to throw their actions, and if they turn out fake, we lynch. Not doing so, but rather lynching without a serious reason to feel uneasy about the claim, is scummy, as it means just throwing away a power role. Or maybe having a knowledge that that claim is fake, trying to look town; this is ALSO done by scum.

[pacman281292]

Lmao, misinterpreting. Right.
And I said the same about his role, after he confirmed that it -was- indeed a roleblock, didn't I? So where did I misinterpret? Oh right, I did not.
If he didn't stick to his guns about the roleblock, he would've been caught liar. Even if that alone didn't make him scum, if he

didn't

have the roleblock, then it would be a waste to wait for him to test it.
Asking him to test it before he guaranteed that it was indeed a true roleblock would've been not only foolish, but also anti-town.
So there. I'm sure you'll read this as scummy too. But, that doesn't change the fact that I'm right.

You misinterpreted MY POST. That's what I said.

[pacman281292]

@Fate: A brief updaye of latest fluff:
I got deathwagoned, thanks to moronictown.
I claimed Reviver, then confirmed myself by reviving Friend. It worked, thus Friend and I are both confirmed townies for now.
animorpherv1 revealed himself as the Innocent Child. We're the 3 fully confirmed townies.
We wagoned inHim, he claimed "mass RBer" (something like, he can make one whole night vanish). We wagoned Exe, but got somehow convinced of wagoning manho. He claimed Cop. Now, we're split between wagoning Mysterio again, wagoning LooseNoose for lurking (and follow-the-goofball), or wagoning inHim again.
I'm short of memory, but, what was the problem with wagoning Exe? His cases have been horrendous.

Unvote, vote: Exe.

[pacman281292]

GOOFBALL SAID NO LYNCH MYST TODAY
SO LYNCH HIM TOMORROW THAT'S IT.
TIME TO LYNCH EXE (OR TO CONVINCE ME OF DOING OTHERWISE).
SHOUTPOSTING=WIN.

[pacman281292]

^scum with LooseNoose

^Bad posting.

^really dumb

Your the guy confident enough in your belief that a guy with 4 posts is scum, so much so, that you can draw connections to him and name his scum buddies....yeah, sorry...not so much.

^quote pyramid

Meh, the wagon on LN really sucks (he needs a REPLACEMENT or a PROD, not a NOOSE yet).
Why did we undo Exe's wagon?
/still wondering.

[pacman281292]

Reck calling out mass RBs as bad is dumb, considering he made me one of those on Always Sunny Mafia.
Him claiming to not see whats so great about it is dumb.

ERGO RECK IS SCUM.

That is all.

Interesting point.
As a reminder, if you missed it: You can change your vote from me now if you wish. Please?

[pacman281292]

Wagon is dead. Your vote is the same as not voting.

[pacman281292]

/meh.

[pacman281292]

I AM V/LA.
SORRY.
REREADING FLUFF TOMORROW (NO TIME NAO)

[pacman281292]

PACMAN

YOUR EXE TRAIN GOT DERAILED

CRAP
I'm gonna take some time to reread (10 pages). I'm no longer V/LA btw (my internet trouble got solved all of a sudden).

[pacman281292]

Guys. This D1 is 53 damn pages. Can we hurry it up and lynch someone?

This here is pro-town.

Err... he

is

pro-town, and that's a given.
@inHim: Scum? Getting Innocent Child?
Nonsense.
not done with the reread yet. Should anyone flake out, it will be a PAIN for the replacee...

[pacman281292]

Unvote; Vote: animorph

Tries to get townie points by calling a pro-town player a townie... based on some arbitrary idea that complaining about the length of the pages is pro-town... and yet refuses to call me pro-town as well, despite me doing the exact same thing pages ago. The fact that he didn't even remember Friend was CONFIRMED town is just icing on the cake.

How is ani confirmed town. At all.

lolmao.

you're by no means confirmed townie (unless I missed some sort of stuff). on the other hand ani is.

HOWEVER, I call confused null here. Don't lynch yet, just based on such crappy reasoning.

[pacman281292]

Also,

unvote, vote xReckx

for voting the innocent child. Giving scum Innocent child is lieing to the players, hence bastard modding.

This (except for the vote)

[pacman281292]

HOWEVER, I call confused null here. Don't lynch yet, just based on such crappy reasoning.

It's bettee than the other reasons I've been seeing for the big wagons.

Which are the biggest wagons btw?
*checks*
Mysterio (4)
manho (3)
Exe (5)
TheLonging (3)
As of last VC, not counting latest votes.
Now I see why the pwnsome Exe wagon was derailed (V/LA). Not moving my vote, but if his/her comeback is scummy we CHOO CHOO.
Mysterio's issue (is he SK or vig?) is still alive. No idea on what to do with him, but methinks giving him a to-kill list is nice.
However, I'm betting there might be busdriver around. That would be PAINFUL.
manho's wagon is already down, if I'm not wrong. He claimed cop. Hmm... how might we confirm taht?
His posts are still scummy. Another hmm...
And I don't quite get the TL wagon. Anyone might please provide reasoning on it?

Meh, enough of this damn D1. We will have a crapload o' info tomorrow, after night ends. Before completing the choo-choo, however, we must decide what should each one of the outed PRs do, or if they should keep their choices hidden. Yeah, more

spam

discussion needed here.

[pacman281292]

So, voting the confirmed town isn't scummy?

Not a bit.
It's being distracted. Or suffering Alzheimer's

You're all a buncha fucking VI's...I thought I was being safe early when I said D1 would goto 38 pgs.

This games playerbase blows.

I'm as confirmed town as they come [FALSE]...clearly the most experienced here [FALSE], and everyone wants to jerk around. F-this...I want to be scum in dram's next game with these guys(ceb'rs)...they must be havin a good ole chuckle at today.

Coast to win g-g.

*facepalm*
Don't come offending everyone with no reason, when you have hardly helped yourself.
No use being pedant, man. You're likely-town only (unless I missed something related to your role), and you can't just butt in and call all of us noobs. There are lots of spamfesters, and that's sometimes annoying, but what you say won't help the slightiest.

[pacman281292]

Ben, who said you aren't obvtown. O.o

Not aren't...I am.

*facepalm*
Don't come offending everyone with no reason, when you have hardly helped yourself.
No use being pedant, man. You're likely-town only (unless I missed something related to your role), and you can't just butt in and call all of us noobs. There are lots of spamfesters, and that's sometimes annoying, but what you say won't help the slightiest.

Sure I can. I've laid out logical lynch choices that will only benefit or maintain the integrity of this game...but the vote happy trend here; wagons up one person..they claim, wagons up another etc etc...and lets the scummy ones go with "oh we'll take care of them later" meanwhile it'll be pg 80 before the day ends.

I am without question the most experienced here, it's not that there's too many chefs in the kitchen...its that there's to many idiots in the kitchen...all running around headless with no direction.

I give up, if you want this day to end in the best way possible, and potentially save this game, proxy your vote(s) to me.

1) Please put the "perfectly logical choices", accompanied the logic behind them, then we will agree/refute them and end this damned day. I get what you mean there, but you can't just try to force us todo as you want without even explaining yourself.
2) Without question? I'm not so sure. There are lots of people that are just misleading us, but the only way to heed the town is with the reason, not with some half-assed Appeal to Authority. If you just AtA everyone, you will get hated and disobeyed. If you explain yourself, your words will be heard.
3) Giving up=BAD. If we lynch you because you tell us to, we'll be totally damned, because we will have wasted ourselves a day and the game will actually stall out to a halt.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: @Benmage: Not that I'm bragging, but unless you're an alt of some player who started before us, DGB and I have *technically* more time on MS (altough DGB's playstyle is just lulz, and I left the site for a 14-month period).

[pacman281292]

Did someone blow a fan in the room? All I hear is noise.

This.
We're no longer playing for making this day the longest ever. Let's just end it. I'm bored.

[pacman281292]

Pac there's more to experience than a join date. And I didn't way vote me, I said vote who I say to.

I know experience isn't same than join date. I don't get the second part.

[pacman281292]

Pac, you said something about lunching me....I wasn't saying todo that I said to vote who I say.

If you mean lynching you... I've never said to lynch you. I said you weren't confrimed town unless I missed something there.
If you want to push certain wagon, do it with argument. You don't wan't? Then what do you want to do?
Now let's end this fuckin' day and go home.

[pacman281292]

@MOD: VOTECOUNT PLZ

[pacman281292]

Pac, you said something about lunching me....I wasn't saying todo that I said to vote who I say.

If you mean lynching you... I've never said to lynch you. I said you weren't confrimed town unless I missed something there.

I said I'm about as confirmed as one can get, which is true.

If you want to push certain wagon, do it with argument. You don't wan't? Then what do you want to do?
Now let's end this fuckin' day and go home.

I have made arguments and pushed them only to recieve support...and than oh a butterfly flies by and everyone gets distracted and loses direction....I can remake the arguments, because I obviously want this day to end...on the one hand your going "make a case, make a case"...and on the other your saying "end the day, end the day"....

Well, then make the case. I will hear it, if it's good. If not, it will be ignored.

[pacman281292]

Exe's wagon is starting to fall apart. AGAIN.

[pacman281292]

YESS!!! PAC'S DEATHWAGON = EPIC SUCCESS.
Rereading.

[pacman281292]

About the "how do we confirm townies" theory:
@Parama: Please make sure you can use your ability during days, and on vig victims.
@Doc, if there's any: Protecting Parama might be a good idea...

I'LL MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU: LOOK HOW MANY TIMES I TRIED TO PUSH THE DAMNED EXE WAGON KTHX. ITS JUST NO ONE LIKES LISTENING TO ME.

Scumbussing maybe? Or maybe enemy scum member?
You're by no means clear.
Katsuki and Reck are using their Exe votes as a weak defense. Katsuki was a die-hard fan of Exelynch, but Reck was just swinging around, and after voting Exe the only other things he did on D1 was calling Elli, Socio and Fate mentally retarded.
Not sure if this is a scumtell, but needs to be adressed.

There's absolutely no case on Kairyuu. He was busy, then was just trying to reread the first 10 pages of a 60-page game. Then got annoyed.
Chrono's soft-full claim was scummy. The softclaim was stupid, and all that happened under very little pressure. So much the full claim. Also, the letter theory is WIFOM, and the way you exposed it it was just like you were trying to prove W was by no means scum.

Vote: Chronopie.

[pacman281292]

STOP VOTING CHRONO.

HE IS GOING TO BE VIGGED.

IF HE FLIPS TOWN, I CAN BRING HIM BACK TO LIFE
IF HE FLIPS SCUM... yeah I'll leave him dead <.<

OK.

Unvote.

If he isn't vigged in 24 hours, I'm putting my vote back.

[pacman281292]

CHRONO IS SCUM.

LIKE, FOR SURE.

UNLESS PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY CONFIRM THAT THEIR LETTER IS A FUCKING JOKE AND ACTUALLY EQUALS THEIR ABILITY.

W = WATCH

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?

PLEASE FAKECLAIM A LITTLE LOUDER SCUM.

NO VIG, ONLY LYNCH.

Lets VIG someone who has a CHANCE at actually BEING TOWN.
Whats the point of wasted a vig on KNOWN SCUM?
Thats like a cop investigating him.
A FUCKING WASTE.

I AGREE. IT'S A SCUMFAKECLAIMING MOST LIKELY.
However, vigging him is still adequate. However, we can use our "investigation" on other person. So you're right.
However, if Parama's role doesn't work with vigs (PLZ ASK DRAMMOD BEFORE DOING ANYTHING STUPID) then vigging Chrono is perfectly valid.
So, Parama plz ask the mod NAO.

[pacman281292]

Actually, SocioPath has a point. We want to be able to revive a townie, something that Chronopie almost certainly isn't.

So we lynch Chronopie, and we lynch some other suspect.

However (again) if Parama's PR doesn't work for this, we kill a townie. OUCH!

[pacman281292]

I feel like alt-scum would be heavily championing the two-scum scenario in order to get town cred.
true/false?

Who is alt-scum?

[pacman281292]

As in, the ones who didn't get lynched. As in, if this is multi-scum, alt-multiscum would be like OMG THIS IS MULTISCUM for town cred.

Got it.
So that means...

[pacman281292]

Much rather vig benmage.

U sure?

[pacman281292]

Where did I cry...you've been playing Mafia for a month you should even be talking about or to me ....you should be in a newbie game and learning how to play, not wasting my time.

Bluff vigging obviously town....you rock... ** insert massive sarcasm **

Quityour damned pedantry. Like, now.
You said it yourself; date of join isn't equal to experience. I gave you lots of chances to let you punch in a case. Instead, you just random voted.
Your play, it's horrible. Don't go offending everyone else and calling them noobs with no reason, when your play itself deserves getting scolded.

[pacman281292]

My play pac which you forgot about caught nontown fate with my ability

Fake.

I didn't say that my opinion of you had anything to do with your alignment. It doesn't. You are one of only three people I have encountered on this site that I actively dislike. You are rude and completely full of yourself. Not to mention that you're objectively bad at mafia. You call anyone who attacks you stupid or a VI, and you go after people because you don't like the way they play instead of because you think they're being legitimately scummy. I don't know what you're like in person, so I cannot speak for that, but as a player I have no respect for you at all.

This is my opinion on Benmage too. Thanks Kai...

Now, Ben, stop acting like a moron. If you don't want to play anymore this way, then just go find a replacement willing to read these 65 pages of BS. Or else, try to adjust your damn attitude a bit.
Also: WOOP WE KILLED MOAR SCUM YAYAYAY!!!


I'm not buying the claim. It seems possible, but I think scumbags have lots of fakeclaims to use. Also, your early claim was horribly scummy.

Vote: Chronopie

@MOD: VOTECOUNT PLZZZ

[pacman281292]

Vote: Chronopie

DUHH DUMM DUMM DUH DEEE DAH

I'm lending you this. Use it wisely.

[pacman281292]

@MOD: You left the "i" in Mafia in the title.

This head is caught up, and although I felt like beating my head against plaster walls at times, now is the time to post thoughts.

- One of Chronopie and/or gandalf is scum. Or both.
- Friend - We are Triglav. What do you mean who are we?
- This head actively dislikes Chronopies backtracking.
- Now that TL is dead, this head is making a request. Can we

please

stop the massive amounts of spamming bullshit in caps lock? Conciseness = Pro-town ffs. Stop lacing each and every post with a dozen lines of caps lock fluff. Sound good? Good.
- Leave Reck be, he's likely town.
- Will consult on a Chrono vote with other heads.

*goodposting*, altough I'm not 100% sure of recktown.

If chrono is scum, I would also say we look at manho.

obv

OBV

Should we buy Chronotown or not? Me not sure.

[pacman281292]

hmmmm so if Chrono CAN whisper... maybe some roles have more than one ability.
Ill give him a day, we can revive him tomorrow with the combo.

Unvote;
Vote: Reck

LONGINGS BUDDY#1, TRYING TO USE HIS EXE VOTE AS TOWN CRED.

unvote, vote: Reck

On second thought you guys are probably right. DGB's reads were too out there in the open for scum it seems. Reck's were just like "I AGREE WITH DGB" and that was that.

DGB has already shown herself to be wrong, we should probably not listen to her.

I endorse these 3 posts.
We cal kill-revive Chrono if Parama's role works that way, the follow-the-Goofball strategy was never a good idea, and Reckoner is acting quite scummy.
However, @Friend: DGB has made no serious reads IMO. Her posts are just "playerx is obvscum, vote playerx NAO". So I'm not discarding DGBscum.

Unvote, vote: xRECKONERx

EBWOP: GODDAMMIT LET ME POST!
Not refering to ninjaposts. Expect response later.

[pacman281292]

Triglav = if they are truthful on the identity of their heads, wanting my power dead reads SCUM

...wait, you believed our hydra name claim? Woosh.

@Pacman - Parama already revived Friend who was killed by Mysterio. Your concern in the regard is unwarranted.

P.S. This is wrong. pacman revived Friend <.<

This.
I can't do this again (my role was 1-shot), so meh.

[pacman281292]

@DGB: I've gone over Chrono's iso, and I don't really see anything directly scummy other than the fact that he seemed to coast for much of the game. Can you elaborate on your case?

If you iso'd him, scum, how could you have missed that he FAKE claimed WATCHER, and when I insisted we lynch him for being a SCUM WATCHER, and the wagon progressed, he changed his claim to JOAT??? He had this whole story about being W, and that he was a W-atcher, then he scratched that, and had a completely different story.

Plus, he FAKE claimed WATCHER with minimal pressure, he was not near being lynched at the time. He was being wagoned, but he still had ways to go.

What he does have is the power to whisper players sweet nothings through the mod.

He's scum.

The problem is the progression of events. You proposed a Chrono-lynch out of nowhere, and decided that he was scum based on nothing but his initial watcher claim. The fact that he switched his claim to JoaT was nothing but fuel on what I feel was an overexaggerated fire in the first place. Your suspicion doesn't look genuine.

So, to simplify:
You voted Chrono out of nowhere D1 with no explanation.
Chrono claimed watcher at some point D2.
You decided that the claim made him 100% scum for reasons I'm not seeing.*
He switches his claim to JoaT, and PROVES one of his abilities, and your opinion of him doesn't change in the least.

*: Claiming when under a small amount of pressure is not a scumtell. It's a noobtell that is often CALLED a scumtell, but doesn't actually yield scum at a rate better than random chance.

So from what I'm seeing, you've based your entire frenzy on the fact that he claimed watcher in the first place. You can't even ARGUE that the JoaT switch had anything to do with you deciding that you wanted him dead, because you were already attacking him wildly before that happened.

I'll ask again. What is your CASE against Chrono? I want something more than "he claimed watcher so he must be scum."

I do agree with this post.}
However, Chrono has been genuinely scummy IMO. First of all, his posts shortly after the fakeclaim were horrendous (I think I adressed that when I voted him). Second of all, he has been trying to coast through the game while minimally contributing town.

Now, why the hell did I vote Reck?

Unvote.

[pacman281292]

I agree with both gandalfscum and Chronopiescum.

You are so town it makes my eyes bleed.

You let her pull this trick on you? You're so easy to manipulate Parama.

this.

[pacman281292]

I think almost all the replace-out posts are often meant to say something town-ish, in order to head-start their replacement. No matter the alingment.

[pacman281292]

Well, good players (i.e. players actually willing to play the game but unable to) will often try to leave on a high note, like a "sorry everyone" note.
If they leave pissed off, they will half-ass that "bah" poat.

[pacman281292]

Why does it matter if DGB is town or not though, anyways? Chrono is scum either way

Because we wanna catch as much scum as possible

[pacman281292]

We already did. Chrono is lynched. So, looking for the other scum would be a great idea, no?
@MOD: DEATHSCENE PLZ

[pacman281292]

post a case then...

[pacman281292]

Then make a case when you have the mood for.
OR summon the Speedlynching Super Zquad to aid you.
I personally prefer the first; scumhunting is actually a good idea...

[pacman281292]

Blergh. I don't understand even a bit of modflavor.
No time to post.

[pacman281292]

Darn, this thread is AGAIN exploding.
gonna take time to reread. NOTE: With 2 scum members from each faction down, we have 5 (3 vs 2) scumbags alive, according to Triglav-monitor.

[pacman281292]

@DGB: I'm confirmed town. Kthnx...

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: And I think inHim is as well...

[pacman281292]

Why would he be town? There's a guilty on him that he can't explain.

Elli might be town in case of insane cop, mafia framer, or lying scumbag.
In case Elli is town, manho might be town if he is insane cop or if mafia framer exists.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: Pressed wrong button.
Continuation:

Can we vig Elli instead of lynching her?

Good idea (altough it was drunkposting).
If we vig Elli and he winds up being nonscum, then we lynch manho. If we vig Elli and he's scum, good for us.
Don't wagon elli yet. He needs to get vigged.
BTW, I'd not clear mysterio yet; the chances of him being a mafia assasin might be nasty, altough 3 kills seem to *slightly* confirm him.

[pacman281292]

Why would he be town? There's a guilty on him that he can't explain.

Elli might be town in case of insane cop, mafia framer, or lying scumbag.
In case Elli is town, manho might be town if he is insane cop or if mafia framer exists.

*I KNOW* that he's not insane, because I know my own alignment.

I suppose a framer isn't impossible, but it's a long shot.

manho could be a lying scumbag, we'll find out soon enough.

You know your align. We don't. So you might be lying.

I'm wondering if we have THIS cop and THAT cop.
I don't THINK we do. But it's a possibility.

*agrees*

[pacman281292]

I think I'm being paranoid, buyt did what manho JUST say sound off to anyone else? Specifically "particular mafia team"?

Then I'm paranoid as well

[pacman281292]

Wut? BC fakeclaimed Doc? But the "real doc" would have counterclaimed, you turkey, so your plan to "draw the NK" would out the doctor, and the doctor would still be killed.

OFF WITH HIS HEAD

VOTE: BloodCovenent

You're retarded. Go back and read the end of day 1 and see why i soft claimed doc.

yes, we were joking about soft-claims then, so it was reasonable.

QFT
MOD MOD WHERE ART THOU?

[pacman281292]

tazaro: doesn't even reply to accusations of scumminess and instead questions someone hopping aboard the wagon, making him seem even more scummy than before

QFT.

Vote: Tazaro.

[pacman281292]

Hmm... I can understand scum voting for me, but town shouldn't. Wink Wink.

+

tazaro: doesn't even reply to accusations of scumminess and instead questions someone hopping aboard the wagon, making him seem even more scummy than before

QFT.

Vote: Tazaro.

= Don't dodge your accusations. Answer them.

You didn't tell us what letter he was >.>

This.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: @gandalf: the first post says Elli was letter T.

[pacman281292]

Another thing I just noted: ALL the kills made by Mysterio have been on the purple scum (except Friendtown).
Humm...
Well, so if manho is cop DGB is town. Or maybe GF? IDK...
@DGB: He was a Vote blocker. And that's actually an AWESOME power if you ask me

Current claims:

Color coding:

Purple

: Purple Scum

Red

: Red scum

Green

: 3rd party

Blue

: Town

Pale Blue

: likely Town

Black

: unconfirmed

Dead:

Exe, S the Mafia Busdriver from THAT faction

TheLonging, I the Mafia Inheritor from THIS faction

Chronopie, W the Mafia Scribe from THAT faction

Katsuki, R the Maf-a Princess from THIS faction

Fate, X the Lyncher

Parama, N the Canceller

Ellibereth, T the Mafia Voteblocker from THIS faction

Confirmed roles:

Friend, P the Vengeful townie

Pacman, Y the 1-shot reviver

Animorpherv1, J the Innocent child

inHimshallibe, Q the 1-shot mass-roleblocker

Mysterio, G the Dayvig

Benmage, U the 1-shot Cupid

NOTES:
Neither Benmage nor Mysterio are confirmed towns, as I think those roles might still be scum (Mysterio is possibly a Mafia Assasin IMO, and I can see Ben's power in scum hands). inHim is IMO confirmed town, as I can't see a power like inHim's in scum hands (if it only works for night, it's useless for scum, and if it works for days, then with the Princess it would be quite odd if you ask me.

Likely town (upon claim):

Manho, V the Cop

DrippingGoofball, unknown, cop-inspected

Triglav, M the Monitor

Other claims:

BloodCovenent, E the Bulletproof

Gandalf, A, unknown

(why do I count this as claim? because noone counterclaimed)

Unclaimed:

Vezokpiraka
xRECKONERx
Kairyuu
SocioPath
Tazaro
Mafuyu
CallMeLiam

More later.

[pacman281292]

@DGB: Why is Reck obvtown?

[pacman281292]

Could InHim be the PURPLE balancing power to the RED Pricess?

Maybe, but I just can't see the power in scum hands. I already said why on Mr wallpost.

Mafuyu's not scum. =P

FoS: Mafuyu.

Stop saying this. It's annoying and scummy. You by no means are confirmedtown.
@CML: Tags are broken.
I do like Taz's lynch. He isn't even trying, c'mon...
Also, we do have more than enough error margin. Soon this game will be broken due to excessive obvtown weight.

[pacman281292]

DGB, your wagon analysis does not take Tazaro into account, probably because LooseNoose never really voted.

Thoughts?

Capt. Obvious ¬¬...
@DGB: I think he's a good lynch.
I'd say we can think about BC tomorrow. I still can't see inHim being scum.

[pacman281292]

The vig better not eliminate me.. there's a reason.

Vig won't eliminate you. WE LYNCH YOU. HAHA!

DGB keeps calling me a scum assassin, but at the same time keeps telling me to

vig

people. Hedging your bets?

I am calling you

possible

assasin.
Why? In order to not to miss any scenario.
Giving you vig orders as a claimed dayvig DOES make sense, no matter what you are (day SK, red Assasin, or an actual vig). If you disobey in order to not to lose, you get lynched due to you being liarscum. You're not fully cleared as town for me (check my claim chart), but I see you as likely town nonetheless.

Mafuyu and Reck are seriously competing to be the most useless player in the game. I wonder which one will win.

I place my bet on Mafuyu.

As such, I've rounded out my list of potential scum for my night kill. Obviously, I won't be posting who my target is and I won't be responding to anyone telling me to vig a certain player. In the meantime, we need to start going after the active lurkers. Looking at votes and basing scum probabilities off them is a complete waste of time. With so many scum being killed and the threat of my vig kill, I highly doubt they will draw any undue attention to themselves. There is literally no case against Tazaro, although his last post is just stupid.

You can save your kill. It's good idea, in fact.
Taz's case: he's active lurking and dodging the case on him. Indeed, he fulfills your own scumhunting criterium.

This isn't a game that requires scumhunting because we can win it with power roles and light wagon analysis.

I beg to differ. While this game is close to being broken, scumhunting will further aid us in our goal.
*facepalm*

Neither of which you've done.

Forgot to add that BC fakeclaiming doc is incredibly scummy and would also be a good lynch.

Oh, now that I think, we might have lost Parama thanks to this moronic fakeclaim.
However, a Tazaro lynch is still good. We can still hang BC tomorrow

[pacman281292]

I am calling you

possible

assasin.
Why? In order to not to miss any scenario.
Giving you vig orders as a claimed dayvig DOES make sense, no matter what you are (day SK, red Assasin, or an actual vig). If you disobey in order to not to lose, you get lynched due to you being liarscum. You're not fully cleared as town for me (check my claim chart), but I see you as likely town nonetheless.

First of all, "day SK" makes no sense. Did you forget my night kill on Katsuko? Second of all, "red Assassin" makes no sense either, considering I have both night kill and day kill powers. A scum who can kill at night and during the day along with regular scum night kills is pure LOL nonsense. Finally, you're going to have to explain how I can play the way I've played and still fulfill a scum win condition. Once you can answer all of this and still make sense,

then

you can start accusing me of being scum.

Then you're not SK. But, having both daykill AND nightkill still fits an assasin (I mean, daykill + scumteam night kill).
And, you might just try to throw down the win by yourself by making yourself look like obvtown. Totally possible.
Can I accuse you for being scum then? Not that I feel like it, but...

1. You can save your kill. It's good idea, in fact.
2. Taz's case: he's active lurking and dodging the case on him. Indeed, he fulfills your own scumhunting criterium.

1. Not going to happen unless misfiring would severely hurt town.

I didn't mean "don't kill", I meant "reserve the kill choice for yourself".

2. You are correct in that Taz has posted very little useful content, however he also has the unenviable job of replacing into a massive game that is filled with equally useless content. As such, I'm not buying the whole "Taz is active lurking speedlynch NAO" that has taken place over the last couple pages. Especially when there are players who have been active lurking

the entire game.

I can hear any lynch proposal, if it makes sense.

@DGB, apologies. Indeed it was pacman.

DGB's wagon analyses completely suffice.

Not at all. It's just a wagon analysis, and with lots of active lurkers around, it might be false .

[pacman281292]

Then you're not SK. But, having both daykill AND nightkill still fits an assasin (I mean, daykill + scumteam night kill).

Nope, still doesn't fit. Observe:

Friend,

P the vengeful townie,

has been

run through!

TheLonging,

I the Mafia Inheritor from

THIS

faction

,

run through

day 2.

Katsuki,

R the Mafia Princess from

THIS

faction

,

run through

night 2

Ellibereth,

Mafia Voteblocker from

THIS

faction

, has been

run through!

My bolds. My kill flavor is "run through", clearly demonstrated via both daykills and a nightkill. Also, notice that when Fate was scumkilled, it did not say he was "run through". So, day SK and scum assassin still don't fit.

Day SK might not fit. But scum assasin does.
What about, you did submit your scumteam's kill choice N2 and another person did N3?
And, who did you try to kill N3, and if you did not kill, why?

And, you might just try to throw down the win by yourself by making yourself look like obvtown. Totally possible.

My only response to this is "wut?" Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Stop hedging your bets with weaksauce arguments.

My response to this is "wut". What I'm saying is that you're not clear town yet.
I think I might have messed up my wording there.

I didn't mean "don't kill", I meant "reserve the kill choice for yourself".

I can hear any lynch proposal, if it makes sense.

1. Got it, and yes I'll be keeping my kill target to myself for obvious reasons.

2. How about Reck?

Why?

Regardless of suspicion upon me, I'd say I'm a good Jailkeep target for Tonight.

I'll be back to review what I missed over the weekend.

FoS inHimshallibe

. Deflecting town's protective role much?

[pacman281292]

What are you on?

If it wasn't clear, I'm more than one-shot. I never claimed one-shot.

No way. That would be way too overpowering if you ask me.
And, if so, why the F*** do you want to be jailkept?
You're still deflecting the PR.
Also, answer Yes or No: Can you use your power to skip day phases as well as night phases?

[pacman281292]

What are you on?

If it wasn't clear, I'm more than one-shot. I never claimed one-shot.

Also, answer Yes or No: Can you use your power to skip day phases as well as night phases?

Anyone find this scummy?

*cough*I'm confirmed town*cough*
But, now that I think, the question is useless. Scrap it.

[pacman281292]

What are you on?

If it wasn't clear, I'm more than one-shot. I never claimed one-shot.

Also, answer Yes or No: Can you use your power to skip day phases as well as night phases?

Anyone find this scummy?

*cough*I'm confirmed town*cough*
But, now that I think, the question is useless. Scrap it.

You are? how?

By means of reviving Friend. Don't you remember D1 when we were wagoning every single person in the game, one at a time, until forcing them to claim?

[pacman281292]

Life moves on?

Pretty much this. We've got such a huge margin of error right now that even if DGB is wrong there's no reason not to follow where her analysis leads.

This.
Oh well,

Unvote, vote: BC

as it seems like the Taz wagon is dead. *shrug*

[pacman281292]

@DGB: You forgot Reck again.

[pacman281292]

DGB is town. Trying to call her scum even when she's CONFIRMED makes you look even WORSE.

No.
manho might be liarscum (unlikely, but still possible), or DGB might be a godfather (thus showing up as town to investigations). Both are possible.

[pacman281292]

@MOD: VC PLZZ

[pacman281292]

vote: BC

Also, I'm not red scum (not purple for that matter, either!). I'd call attention to how Exe behaved toward me.

For full clarification, Pacman: I can "quicken" any phase of my choosing, with a recharge time of two phases, (Day and Night are one phase each).

Oh well, I got it.

[pacman281292]

lol.
Anyone willing to hammer BC/willing to post a good reason to lynch someone else before BC?

[pacman281292]

DGB. NOT 100% CONFIRMED COP, BUT MANHO CLAIMED HAVING TOWN RESULTS.
NOW STFU AND HAMMER (OR DECIDE OTHERWISE BUT DO SOMETHING FFS).

[pacman281292]

DGB

MANHO

IS THE COP. NOT 100% CONFIRMED COP, BUT MANHO CLAIMED HAVING TOWN RESULTS

ON DGB

.
NOW STFU AND HAMMER (OR DECIDE OTHERWISE BUT DO SOMETHING FFS).

fixed for you.

[pacman281292]

Twilight post time!
/meh. Nothing to say. Bye scumbag.

[pacman281292]

NOW STFU AND HAMMER (OR DECIDE OTHERWISE BUT DO SOMETHING FFS).

Beautiful.
HEY DUMBASS, I DID DO SOMETHING.

What did you do?

[pacman281292]

Don't expect muxh sense from me. Homework is hitting me quite hard.

[pacman281292]

@Mafuyu: Don't come with obstructionist comments here. It would be nice to hear who did you JK, unless you do think it would be way too much info for scum. Ando if so, explain wly plz.

FoS: Mafuyu.
Vote: Tazaro.

Yeah I disagree with the main lynch, but Taz hasn't contributed much either. I'd like to hear if CML has something to say here.

[pacman281292]

vote: inHim

I can't speak for MPR but I had 90 pages to read once I replaced in and that kept my activity down. As things stand I have no problems with a inHim lynch if only because he's the leading non-Me candidate.

Very scummy posting. Just pushing the opposite strongest wagon? Without ever posting reasonings on it?
Try harder.

HOLD THE PHONES

unvote

why the FUCK aren't we letting mysterio vig CML

YEA U ARE RITE!
I'm still all-in for a Taz lynch. However, CML's latest post just reeked scum.
I'm still believing that Mysterio isn't a vig but rather a Mafia Assasin (all nights have had 2 kills, as Parama killed himself for being a lover, his kill flavor has appeared only on N2 and that night did ALSO have 2 NKs).

[pacman281292]

@Gandalf: Parroting maybe?
Maaan, there are soo many scummy guys around...

[pacman281292]

that's qhy I say there's way too much scum around.

[pacman281292]

weak.

QFT.

[pacman281292]

no I still feel Taz more scummy.
And CML, but it seems him/her will be "run through"
...

[pacman281292]

WAIT
DO YOU REALIZE MAFUYU ROLECLAIMED JAILKEEPER
AND THAT SOCIO WAS TEH ROLEBLOCKER
Either there is danger of RB's paradox, or Mafuyu is saying BS. What do you think?

Vote: Mafuyu.

[pacman281292]

WAIT
DO YOU REALIZE MAFUYU ROLECLAIMED JAILKEEPER
AND THAT SOCIO WAS TEH ROLEBLOCKER
Either there is danger of RB's paradox, or Mafuyu is saying BS. What do you think?

Vote: Mafuyu.

Roleblocker Paradox? You're aware that there are multiple precedents that can be used in any situation where two roleblocking roles interact.

Huh?
Aside from Mafuyu making an anti-town play, a jailkeeper interacting with a roleblocker would indeed have confusing consequences (for example, should the protection go through or not?). That makes me think it's possible that Mafuyu might be lying.

[pacman281292]

It's unreadable, but oh well. I get it.

Unvote.
Vote Tazaro

again.

[pacman281292]

Either there is danger of RB's paradox, or Mafuyu is saying BS. What do you think?

Vote: Mafuyu.

Er, what gives?

I realized that there was a built-in mechanic for paradoxes. I don't understand that rule. but it kills off that theory.
I'm back for Taz. Is anyone with me?

[pacman281292]

vote: Tazaro

You're gut reads have been right, but now it's a different story. Welcome to fallibility, Friend.

ACTIVE LURKING SCUM MUCH?
No need for the caps, just to get more attention.

[pacman281292]

Oh, forgot to popcorn to Taz.

Darn, we're popcorning our identities and it's fun to be me; but if popcorning is our strategy, then I'll just make myself useless, gandalf , B, Bee. I Buzz when I speak. Ability: Buzzkill; this means that a scum who's happy about hammering me will face a buzzkill: they die from my sting and I die as well, and if a townie hammered me, oh well... By the way, do you BEElieve me?
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

THIS IS A VENGEFUL TOWNIE.
WE KNOW FRIEND IS VENGEFUL TOO.
WTF.
Seriously, this fakeclaim is no good.

[pacman281292]

Benmage hammers Taz because he hasn't done jack fucking shit all game.

In other news, Taz needs to pick someone so we can finish the massclaim before we start discussing how to play it out from here. The idea of having the claimed Super-Saint get hammered by the scummiest player is

obvious

, but we could at least wait till MC until we start bringing that shit up.

HERP FUCKING DERP

Im already confirmed boss. Kaiyruu seems like a good pick, no?

You're not 100% confirmed, but I'm leaning for you being town.
And no, I don't think Kai is the right pick.
Also, about a latter post: I fullclaimed. I'm Y the 1-shot reviver.
@Kai: CLAIM NAO.

[pacman281292]

I think DGB should then claim watch results, no?

[pacman281292]

CLAIMED:

Reck: rolethief
Gandalf: commuter
Tazaro:

scum

supersaint
DrippingGoofball: watcher
Mafuyu: red scum jailkeeper
Benmage: lover maker? did I get that right?
Kairyuu: rolecop who bizarrely investigated manho
Animorpherv1: mod confirmed innocent child
Friend: confirmed town

I forget what role

vengeful townie

Pacman

1-shot reviver

Triglav

"monitor", knows number of factions and size of factions.

I CLAIMED D1. DUUHH
Fixed for you.

[pacman281292]

@MOD: DEATH SCENE PLZZ

[pacman281292]

Investigated gandalf. Result: A, Commuter. Result was in blue. This means it's Reck and someone else. Friend is clear and ani is clear. This leaves Benmage, pacman, and triglav. I see very little point in giving triglav's ability to scum, so I'll write him off as confirmed, but pacman and Benmage could both easily be scum with their roles. Regardless, Reck is scum.

vote: Reck

Nope. I'm town.

Kairyuu, don't be stupid. I believe we can figure out who is scum based on claims alone,

and it's not me

, though I know my claim is weaker compared to others. Remove the vote, and let's talk about this for a little while.

Let me rephrase.

There are 2 scum left. I know that I'm town. Friend and ani are conf-town, and I have what amounts to an innocent result on gandalf. In addition to that, triglav's role would be utterly pointless in the hands of scum, so I'm counting him as confirmed. From there, that leaves two scum in the group consisting of you, pacman, and Benmage. Assuming the worst case scenerio (no crosskills and no Nights where the two scum kill the same person) we're still one mislynch outside of pseudo-lylo, and 2 mislynches outside of a prisoner's dilemma, so from my perspective we have a 100% chance of winning, because if it isn't you, it's both of them.

The game is won. My vote stays.

@Triglav: Because I thought it was gandalf and Reck, and I would have no way of getting a result off of Reck unless he blatantly lied about his role, which I had no intention of banking on. I was pretty much working under the assumption that pacman and Benmage were town, so I hoped to be able to open the Day with a nice shiny guilty-equivalent result to share.

Also, assuming pacman is scum, he's probably not just a 1-shot reviver. My guess would be Mafia JoaT or something of the like, with the revive being in there as a way to garner town cred, or as a pseudo-safeclaim.

Heh. Try to pull out an odd argument to make me look scummy.
I challenge you to investigate me tonight. DO IT.
However, after all, we're

indeed

winning:
2. xRECKONERx, (I don't remember; what did he claim?), O
3. Kairyuu, Role cop, C
7. Benmage, Love-maker, U

17. animorpherv1

, Innocent child, J

18. pacman

, 1-shot Reviver, Y

21. gandalf

, Commuter, A
23. Triglav, Monitor, M

24. Friend

vengeful townie, P
Blue: 100% Confirmed town (Yes, I'm confirmed town. No, Kai's theory is totally reckless and far from reality. Triglav isn't here, but they are almost confirmed)
Indeed, best case scenario is that Triglav is saying the truth, there are 2 scumbags from 2 different teams (?) remaining.
In this case, even if Kairyuu is lying scum (i.e. Mafia Rolecop, which I see more than likely), we do have 5 confirmed pro-town roles: Friend, ani, gandalf, Triglav(?) and me. Why? Because I can't see any scenario in which Kai would lie for gandalf, as that would be detrimental for him in case he's scum (as it would weaken his claim) or in case he's town (with such a PR, he wouldn't hide any kind of results).
Now with 8 players remaining. Let's suppose we lynch one of them, and he winds up town: the next day scenario would be 3 town plus the 2 scumbags, in case they do not cross-kill. IMO this would still be an overwhelming win for town, with so much confirmed townies.
In case we do lynch scum now, or in case there is one cross-kill this night, we would win much more easily.
Worst case scenario would be that Triglav somehow lied, and that there are 4 scumbags, 2 from each team. This case is indeed very very unlikely, as it would be overwhelmingly skewed against town, and I don't think Triglav would lie this way. In this case, I think we would be almost lost, altough the fact that the suspicious list would be just greater than the supposed number of scum by just one would give the town some hope (in this case gandalf wouldn't be confirmed by Kai as it's possible Kai would lie for him, and Triglav is almost sure scum due to lying).
Benmage is the most confusing player here. I have no f***ing idea on what could he wind up being.
Another thing that should be noted: Unless Reck's role would imply otherwise, last night either one scum sent nokill, or one scum tried to kill gandalf.
Thinking on what does this imply. Vote coming up there.

[pacman281292]

I didn't commute last night. So that's not the reason. More likely, both scum killed DGB.

Oh OK.
I checked and Reck claimed "rolethief". Humm..

[pacman281292]

gandalf. Let's lynch Benmage.

I'd much rather lynch Kai, but since I think we're looking for 2 scum I can settle with Reck...especially since it looks like hes flailing for a personal lynch. Anyone of any sort of intelligence would have me known confirmed.

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU CONFIRMED? PLEASE, TELL ME HOW.

Here's the kicker of it all: I can fucking confirm if Kairyuu is scum or not. HERE'S HOW!
He targets me with his claimed ability. Since I'm assuming scum can only use one active ability per night (like in most of dramonic's games), then I will steal his ability. If I end up with this role copping ability, it means Kairyuu used role cop. If Kairyuu uses role cop and there is no kill, then he's not cleared. If Kairyuu uses role cop and there IS a kill, then he is clear.

There's literally no risk in this plan.

No this plan won't work. In case scum is allowed to both use PR and kill the same night, we will be screwed.
Outguessing the mod (even if you're the mod's... humm... lover is it?) isn't a good idea.
I'm very inclinced to believe Kai is scum, because rolecop is often a scum role. However, I think it's a good idea to let Kai live, at least for one day. Why? because his actions can confirm one more player, thus breaking the game in case we DO lynch scum tonight, or that both scum try to kill the same player tonight.
I've gotta reread xRECK and Benmage right now, in order to decide my vote. Meanwhile, I think we should plan who should Kai inspect tonight.

[pacman281292]

I'm not outguessing the mod. I'm saying literally every game I've seen dramonic mod has the only one active ability per day/night clause in the PM somewhere.
Letting Kai live is stupid if he's scum. What the hell kind of logic is that? We lynch Kai today, because Benmage has a point about the game being broken if he is scum.

Which is outguessing the mod, exactly. What makes you think dramonic wouldn't scrap that clause this time?
not sure on what you said about Kai...

[pacman281292]

This head now sees an upside to letting Kai live. If Kai feeds us results, then he is still useful. He can't feign an innocent on a player without damning himself in the process. This scum needs that scum lynched, and vice versa.

This is what I thought.
However, what makes me hesitate is that, in case we do mislynch a town today, if Kai is scum he can perfectly damn us, by setting a fake scum result on a townie and letting the whole fate of this game to "who would you believe?".
Even if Kai is town, in case we do lynch town today and he gets scum results, the game can also degenerate into a "who would you believe?" set by the other scum. Both scenarios together, we get a fine masterpiece of WIFOM.
Furthermore, if we do lynch Kai here and he flips scum, we would receive ever more WIFOM, as the person he claimed was scum might STILL be scum, so we would be screwed.
That's what makes me feel uneasy on not lynching Kai. If we decide as such, we should be 100% sure we're lynching scum, else the situation might be truly troublesome.

@Reck: Did you really just agree with Benmage that his role would be broken if given to scum? Have you SEEN some of the scumflips? Hint:

[some scenarios with the already seel flips]

Preview edit: Heh. You're not lynching me. The game is broken. It's 2 of you, pacman, and Benmage. At this point I'm leaning you and Benmage, but either way I'm NOT letting you insert a chance for scum to win into a broken game. Not happening. You die, end of story.

No. What you say here is a very big lie.
Hint: We do have 2 scum teams.
Hint2: The game is already way too imbalanced in favor of town - check the pro-Town flips
Hint3: Too many pro-Town cops. Worse than that, one pro-Town sane Cop. That

and a sane role cop

would be totally pushing it.
I'm still trying to find out stuff there, but I'm tempted to believe Reck is town (mostly a gut vibe), and that therefore the scum would be Kai on one side and Benmage on the other. If after my reread I'm not 100% sure, I will vote Kairyuu.

[pacman281292]

@pacman:

This is what I thought.
However, what makes me hesitate is that, in case we do mislynch a town today, if Kai is scum he can perfectly damn us, by setting a fake scum result on a townie and letting the whole fate of this game to "who would you believe?".
Even if Kai is town, in case we do lynch town today and he gets scum results, the game can also degenerate into a "who would you believe?" set by the other scum. Both scenarios together, we get a fine masterpiece of WIFOM.
Furthermore, if we do lynch Kai here and he flips scum, we would receive ever more WIFOM, as the person he claimed was scum might STILL be scum, so we would be screwed.
That's what makes me feel uneasy on not lynching Kai. If we decide as such, we should be 100% sure we're lynching scum, else the situation might be truly troublesome.

This right here is such a huge stretch that it's actually funny. You're saying that you should lynch the claimed cop, who is ABILITY CONFIRMED (aka exactly as confirmed as you are, for the record) just because regardless of my alignment, if I come up with a guilty result tomorrow you'll have to decide whether or not I'm scum.

In other words, you want to lynch me now because if you lynch me now you won't have to deal with my result tomorrow. This SCREAMS scum that's afraid that I'll 1-1 him tomorrow. Hell, this right here is enough for me to change my vote.

This is horrendously scummy.
First, you don't seem to want to read my analysis, and just kill it off by saying that it's a huge stretch, without providing actual reasons of why would it be such a large stretch (as I consider it isn't, actually). I wrote this reasoning sincerely, and while the actually optimal play would be lynching a sure scum player not being you, if we do lynch town instead we would face what I posted there. So that's what makes me think that it would be better to lynch you, as else we would be WIFOMed to death.
Then, you launch a reckless reason to think I'm scum. WTF?

No. What you say here is a very big lie.

I'd love to see a reason for this accusation.

Read below

Hint: We do have 2 scum teams.

I don't even know what you're trying to tell me here. Do you think I'm unaware of this fact?

That means that you can't just say you aren't scum because one of the teams would be overpowered, as the role might be part of the other scum team.

Hint2: The game is already way too imbalanced in favor of town - check the pro-Town flips

How are the town flips thus far relevant AT ALL to the fact Benmage's role as scum would NOT be broken? I said NOTHING about the balance of the game, and I don't understand why you're bringing it up at all, let alone trying to use it as a point against me.

Don't dodge the main point of this post. It is, that you can't just say you can't be scum because your role is way too powerful, as the town PRs are made to try and counter this "imbalance"

Hint3: Too many pro-Town cops. Worse than that, one pro-Town sane Cop. That and a sane role cop would be totally pushing it.

Let me direct you to Cross Edge

Bastard

Mod. The pro-town investigative roles included: A role that saw what race killed each of the players who died, a role that could only successfully hammer people who were of a different faction (this was me), a basic cop that could only investigate males, a role that could track/watch at the same time and would continue doing so until he changed the target, and a role that would BROADCAST the use of any ability of the target to the entire town (for example, X used the Mafia kill ability would be posted by the mod), and if I remember correctly there was at least 1-2 ultimate abilities and/or haunt abilities that would cause some sort of investigation. dramonic loves his investigative roles, and 2 cops and a watcher is not at all a stretch comparitively (cross edge was 24 players, this was 25).

You said it yourself. That game was BASTARD mod. This one isn't BASTARD as far as I know. So, saying that town might very likely have two sane cops, one of them with the bonus ability of being a rolecop as well, is just a huge stretch.

I'm still trying to find out stuff there, but I'm tempted to believe Reck is town (mostly a gut vibe), and that therefore the scum would be Kai on one side and Benmage on the other. If after my reread I'm not 100% sure, I will vote Kairyuu.

Bolded mine. So why is there an accusation of me making some sort of "big lie" when you provide absolutely NOTHING that can be construed in ANY WAY to be a lie on my part? Everything I said was logically reasoned out and OBJECTIVELY factual. Methinks you're just throwing around buzzwords. I'm happy with my vote.

Italics is mine. What I say is "a big lie" is that you and Benmage are confirmed town due to your roles being "way too powerful".
I'm not done with my reread yet, but this post does actually confirm what I think of Kairyuu.

Vote: Kairyuu.

----------

I thought pacman was confirmed town?

I was supposed to. Thank Kai who decided to cast doubt on me being town by pulling out some weird argument (namely me being... a mafia JOAT?) to make it possible for him to be town.

Tri. Which game did you see a scum Cupid?

Sorry for answering for Triglav, but truth is I've never seen any kind of Cupid in play.
@MOD: I'm fine with Tazaro replacing back.

[pacman281292]

Pac, that's not WIFOM. The real problem then is that you would have to scumhunt.

Which have been lacking among this stupid town. Any scumbag can just try to use this in order to screw us up with reasoning, and that's why I posted it.

1. I've not slept in more than 24 hours, so I'm not sure whether or not I'm just going to decide to pass out after classes or if I'm actually going to get to this.
2. I have a 5 page paper due by 6, so I don't have time to do anything but comment briefly.

I understand you.

@Taz: Why are you voting me exactly? We're lynching either Benmage or pacman. Both are scum, so the order is irrelevant. Just because you're conf-town doesn't mean you don't have to give reasons.

Since when? *facepalm*

@pacman: Wonderful. Based on your most recent response, you are either blatantly misrepping me or have NO IDEA what the post you called scummy was even ABOUT.

Hint for you this time, Mr. Genius: I said NOTHING about me OR Benmage being confirmed based on the power level of our roles. In fact, it was BENMAGE who claimed that he was conf-town based on his role's power level, and ME who said he WASN'T. Those scenerios were proof that he was full of shit for stating that an ability that could win scum the game in lylo made him conf-town. As for myself, nowhere in that post did I say anything about my alignment at all. The only time I even referenced my own alignment was when you said that two sane town cops would be overpowered, and I pointed to evidence that dram has given town that and a LOT more investigative roles in a game of the same size.

I seem to have misread you then. Sorry. That post just looked like you were saying that the game would be biased in favor of scum if Ben was scum (or you). So I disproved that you were obvtown.
However, it's still not "reck and 2 of Benmage and me". You're not confirmed town.
And I'm leaning for you being scum.

My vote still stands.
PEDIT: That was lynch??

[pacman281292]

Hmmmmmm............ true. And there's no way now that we can get any evidence as to whether Pac is JUST a reviver.
*sigh*

VOTE: Pac

I don't think Reck's role works at all as scum. And I don't think it could be a fakeclaim at all either. We lynch Pac today and BM tomorrow(if there is one) and that's a win.

*sigh*.
As I expected, you´re down for my lynch.
I should give you a serious advice. Even if you do lynch me.
It is: IT'S ALREADY TIME FOR SCUMHUNTING. WE ARE NO LONGER WINNING BY SPEEDLYNCHING: IF WE SPEEDLYNCH TODAY IT WILL BE A 2-1 ENDGAME WITH 2 UNCONFIRMED.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: Incomplete post. I'm gonna let my thoughts on this stuff later, but don't speedlynch me yet (if you're going to).

[pacman281292]

EBWOP2: Not a 2-1 engame, but a 3-1 endgame.
Reading Ben and Reck.

[pacman281292]

Reck: Rolethief
Benmage: One-shot lover maker
Tazaro: Innocent Child
Pacman: One-shot reviver
Gandalf: Commuter
Triglav: Monitor

Just for reference. Now, who is ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED, and HOW DO WE KNOW?

Tazaro is alignconfirmed (OBV). gandalf is likely align-confirmed as well, due to Kairyuu's results. I think Triglav might be confirmed as well; I just can't see his role in hands of a scumbag...
Benmage is by no means confirmed. Not you either (altough your claimed role is indeed unlikely in scum hands...), nor me (I can't see a one-shot reviver being of any use for scum other than "trolling" the town by reviving a scum in LyLo, but...).


Now Benmage is actually wagon-hopping like crazy. Votes xRECK mindlessly, then pushes his wagon with shitty reasons ("thanks for claiming scum LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH" as answer to a post that, while looked fishy, did somehow make sense), then suddenly hops to Triglav, with (guess what?) no reasons.
I'm now fairly sure of this.

Vote: Benmage.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: nvm the "no reasons for voting Tri". I didn't see them (ninja'd somehow).

Triglav is the inhim of this game. He's done absolutely nothing...Look at the claimed amalgamation of his hydra..His level of play is atrocious for those heads, unless its Just Ythan X2 and Adel he must be scum.

He's been coasting on his claim all game. Which was actually claimed late looking back if you ask me. And he's brought nothing to the table.

In over 100+ pgs he has less than 50 posts....mmhhmmm, active lurking 101.

First of all: inHim was town. Go read the flips.
Second: I think it's pretty obvious that Triglav might be lying about the identity of its heads. And no, that doesn't imply LynchAllLiars.
Third: He claimed D1. No late claim. DUH.
Fourth: He has been by one of the people with less posts in this game, being only superseeded by ani/Taz. After reading their ISO, they don't seem to have contributed much either. Hummm...
Fifth: I think you've been active lurking even worse. I remember D2 when we were bickering about your playing. You were only pestering about how spamfest had this game turned into. I repeatedly asked you to try and push for a lynch with actual arguments, but you just ignored me and kept pestering, not being helpful.
I think you've also coasted on your claim (and, yeah, I admit that I decided to be more careless of this game since my claim, first due to annoyance on how town was doing stuff, then due to overconfidence on how much we were winning). I can't find contribution from you, even when you criticized the spamfest so much. This is hypocrisy from you, and I think adds furhter scum points for you.

[pacman281292]

WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT BEN'S ROLE WOULD BREAK THE GAME IN FAVOR OF SCUM IN ENDGAME?

HUH?
This would only be in case town went all the way down to LyLo. Also, check what Kai said about already-flipped roles (YEAH HE IS SCUM BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS RIGHT).
Furhtermore, I think that town had lots of means to counterweight this (like the negator, the vigilante, the crapload of protective roles, and, why not, the reviver).

[pacman281292]

@Pac I haven't coasted shit, look at my post count. But I was disinterested around pg 52ish if I recall..Although I did just pull teeth to get kaiyruu lynched. And yes my ability in addition to play should have me way more confirmed.

Also even though it was D1, that something I'd envision claiming in my first post.

And your defense of him is just sad..point at other noncontributors doesn't make him any better. Saying I coasted again doesn't make him less scummy.

The guy reeeks of it.

I was right last time.

I was referring to inhim in CEB, not this game.

Each paragraph is reply to its corresponding paragraph (paragraph 1 is about your paragraph 1 and so on).
You haven't coasted? For me, coasting includes active lurking. No, I don't care about your damn post count; it has roughly as much posts as Reck or me. What I do care for is for the content. On page fifty-something, you were just plain whining about how little did people care about scumhunting. Without scumhunting yourself.
About the Kai lynch: I don't know what you mean, but I think you just hammered him because of. I think that accounts as more coasting.


I don't know what you meant in second paragraph. Please rephrase.

My "defense" on Tri wasn't supposed to be so much of a defense. I was trying to point out that your case was very weak.

Huh?

When?

OK I guess.

Okay, let's break this shit down. It's 3:45am and I'M WILLING TO MAKE CASES to show you guys something. I also think I just figured out how to break this game wide open.

FIRST THING'S FIRST: Tazaro is confirmed town, and I am town.
This leaves BENMAGE, PACMAN, GANDALF, AND TRIGLAV.

Let me say this:

Triglav is town

. Dram is really good with balance, and one scumteam having inside setup knowledge would not fit his balancing style.

This brings us to the final three people: Pacman, Benmage, and Gandalf. Here's how I think I can break the game. Anyone remember Fate's flip?

Vowel Lyncher

. The vowels that have flipped so far would be "I" (purple scum), and "E" (town). This leaves "O" (me), "U" (Benmage), and "A" (Gandalf).
NO WAY are all of the vowels town when there was already a vowel on the purple scumteam. There's just no fucking way. ONE of the final vowels has to be scum.
I know it's not me.
Benmage's role would be broken in scum's hands, IMO.

Therefore, it's gandalf.

NOW PLEASE VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

Oooh this is very interesting reasoning, indeed.
I don't think Ben's role is broken in scum hands, but it totally makes sense.

The vowel thing is just stupid. And didn't Kai already cover that brokenscumrole=/= town? Also, I believe the theory on Pac is that he's a JOAT.

This post is no better than a scumclaim.
First, you disregard xRECK's theory without even thinking on it. Then, you try to create the chance for people other than you being scum, by pulling out some stupid reasoning (while I don't think the reasoning on Ben being scum is bad, you pull out that piece of garbage Kai came up with).
Time to win.

Vote: gandalf5166

@MOD: LYNCH SCENE. LIKE, NAO

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: If mod decides to be a unvote nazi.

Unvote, vote: gandalf5166.

I know that post was poorly redacted at the final, but I just seem to have overhurried myself. Also, I'm not supposed to be here (I'm supposed to be studying...)

[pacman281292]

YESS!!!!
That was a very nice catch xRECK...

[pacman281292]

Actions!

day 1

Triglav Monitors
Ani uses Justify
Mysterio vigs Friend
Pacman revives Friend
Benmage matches Fate and Benmage (fail, can't link lynchee to lyncher)
Benmage matches Parama and Benmage
Parama Negates Benmage
Benmage matches Parama and Fate

Night 1

Inhim quickens

Day 2

Mysterio vigs TheLonging

Night 2

Mafuyu Freezes Friend
Mysterio vigs Katsuki
Vezok protects Parama
Sociopath blocks Ani (?)
DGB watches Mysterio (no visit)
Manho investigates DGB (town)
Gandalf Commutes
Liam kills Fate
Kai checks DGB (Watcher)
Katsuki kills Fate
Parama commits suicide due to lover link

Day 3

is skipped

Night 3

Mafuyu jailkeeps friend
Manho cops Elli (mafia)
DGB watches Mysterio (nothing)
Inhim quickens

Day 4

Mysterio shoots Elli

Night 4

Mafuyu jailkeeps DGB
Vezok protects Sociopath
Mysterio shoots Sociopath (fail to protect)
DGB watches Mysterio (no result)
Manho cops Vezok (town)
Liam kills Vezok
Kai kills Manho

Day 5

No action

Night 5

Mafuyu jailkeeps DGB
DGB watches mysterio (no result, blocked)
Gandalf kills mysterio
Kai kills inhim
Inhim quickens

Day 6

no actions

Night 6

DGB watches Kai
Gandalf kills DGB
Kai kills DGB

Day 7

no action

Night 7

Gandalf kills Friend

Night 2

Mafuyu Freezes Friend
Mysterio vigs Katsuki
Vezok protects Parama
Sociopath blocks Ani (?)
DGB watches Mysterio (no visit)
Manho investigates DGB (town)
Gandalf Commutes
Liam kills Fate
Kai checks DGB (Watcher)
Katsuki kills Fate
Parama commits suicide due to lover link

Night 2

Sociopath blocks Ani (?)

*head asplodes*

Sidenote: Kai's claim of having inspected gandalf was BS after all. Humm...

[pacman281292]

I'M GONNA GO NOMINATE US FOR A SCUMMY.

WE WERE REALLY GOOD.

gandalf I got you early too...should have stuck with that.

NAH I DOESN'T THINK SO...
Seriously, this game was an incredible spamfest. We weren't terribad, yeah, but I think that scum made a sub-par job.
I should applaud Kai's move, however; he singlehandedly teared me off from confirmed town list with his bizarre theory of me being a "super JOAT".
gandalf resorting to it was a poor move, as it just looked like he was trying to do the same Kai did (i.e. try to keep me off the town list easily). Not even presenting why did he think so further worsened this.

[pacman281292]

Put us officially on the Records page. Third longest Day post count-wise.