Open 330: Masons and Mafia (Game Over, Scum Win)
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Katsuki Cupcake
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It WAS indeed a VERY FUN setup.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Would the game benefit from each scum having a solitary daykill (for the entire game)? I think it's a lot simpler than the "each individual scum can only shoot one player per day". It also prevents a situation in say a 2 Goons, 0/1 Townie, 3/4 Mason endgame, where the two scum can chain-kill to victory.
This way, if a scum misses, they can only shoot a maximum of three masons (+1 for every other time they miss) throughout the game.-
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Katsuki Cupcake
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Hoopla wrote:Would the game benefit from each scum having a solitary daykill (for the entire game)? I think it's a lot simpler than the "each individual scum can only shoot one player per day". It also prevents a situation in say a 2 Goons, 0/1 Townie, 3/4 Mason endgame, where the two scum can chain-kill to victory.
This way, if a scum misses, they can only shoot a maximum of three masons (+1 for every other time they miss) throughout the game.
Do scum still suicide upon missing?Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Katsuki wrote:Do scum still suicide upon missing?
Well, yeah.
Although, upon reflection, it's probably unwise to limit scums shots. If they miss the first two times, two masons will never be able to be killed if they all claimed, which is a problem in a Nightless game with no other method of elimination.-
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SpyreX POWERFUL WIZARD
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Yea I think the shot limit would hurt more than help.
Good lord you better be trolling because I seriously have no idea what "disrespect" you're talking about and I'm going to lose my mind-
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Katsuki Cupcake
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Yeah the setup is fine as is.
When we missed our first shot, we already had 3 other masons dead so it was ok, but if mafia were to say miss their first shot, the game could quickly turn against them.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Katsuki Cupcake
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xRECKONERx wrote:lol I called SpyreX/Katsuki scum and nobody would listen
I don't think you ever called me scum once this game?Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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We were going to lynch you before you even fucking POSTED
but THEN NO
THEN RECK WENT AND VOTED DRAM OF ALL FUCING PEOPLE
DRAM
DRAM
AND THATS WHNE THINGS WENT TO SHIT
THAT WAS THE PIVOTAL
THE TOWN QUICHAMMER BULLSHIT ASIDEFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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lol don't blame Reck YOU had an obvtown read on me too.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Katsuki Cupcake
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Oh yeah, and YOU mislynched SOCIO of all people.
Then ELLI on top of that.
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I MISVOTED FUCKIN SOCIO
ELLIE N CLOWNS QUICKHAMMERED HIM AND MISLYNCHED HIM
AFTER THAT MY HANDS ARE WASHED
I ONLY READ YOU AS TOWN BC THE META ARGUMENT WAS FFFFFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I was surprised when Socio launched that meta argument.
It was most un-Sociolike.
ESPECIALLY given the lack of parallels in play too. I got shot in that game for being too obvtown. = =
I doubt he would've gotten lynched though if not for Glowbus.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Hoopla wrote:Anyway, I'm curious to see if anybody would play this again? Was it a fun setup? I suspect the balance concerns is more of a knee-jerk reaction to this current game than an objective view of the full spectrum of possibilities. The last time this setup was run, town won with 4 players left alive.
The last game (the one sil linked) saw hohum shooting randomly (and missing) and another scum shooting too early and missing who also didn't tell his scum partners who he was shooting which led to his target being shot again later on. And that game didn't end with 4 players; it ended with 2 VTs.
As I see this game, the masons are just dead men walking. Scum would have to play really badly to lose >2 members getting rid of the masons (and really well to lose 0), which leaves 4-2 nightless or 4-3 nightless one of which is balanced and one of which is scum-sided. On top of that I think the whole mason thing is distracting - there are some shared mason and scum tells and it puts an amount of time pressure on what the town's doing (which lead to e.g. Socio getting lynched over Spy).Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Fate wrote:I MISVOTED FUCKIN SOCIO
ELLIE N CLOWNS QUICKHAMMERED HIM AND MISLYNCHED HIM
AFTER THAT MY HANDS ARE WASHED
I ONLY READ YOU AS TOWN BC THE META ARGUMENT WAS FFFF
That quickhammer was fine. I mean obviously our socio read was wrong and I take responsibility there, but hammering scum before they can get off an NK in this setup is perfectly reasonable. Also it was CES, how is that anything but a town tell for him? Elli was being town!elli too based on my limited experience, you have more than me there though so hard for me to say.Taking a break from the site.-
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Katsuki Cupcake
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@CES: That's exactly why VTs play such a vital role in this game.
Interactions with masons, such as the one Dram had, led to scum killing themselves on them.
Crazy's mason play didn't help at all
Nor did Gandalf's mason-slip
But those are more of a result on play rather than the setup itself.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Katsuki Cupcake
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chamber wrote:Fate wrote:I MISVOTED FUCKIN SOCIO
ELLIE N CLOWNS QUICKHAMMERED HIM AND MISLYNCHED HIM
AFTER THAT MY HANDS ARE WASHED
I ONLY READ YOU AS TOWN BC THE META ARGUMENT WAS FFFF
That quickhammer was fine. I mean obviously our socio read was wrong and I take responsibility there, but hammering scum before they can get off an NK in this setup is perfectly reasonable. Also it was CES, how is that anything but a town tell for him? Elli was being town!elli too based on my limited experience, you have more than me there though so hard for me to say.
Elli's play was not normal here.
But that was attributed to masonelli.
Which made it all the easier to push him D3.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Katsuki Cupcake
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Also quickhammering Socio was definately town motivated.
Although, you had Glowbus quickhammering in this game which made it APPEAR less pro-town on the surface.Fluffy fluffy~~~ |"READING KATSUKI IS LIKE SOME SORT OF POSTMODERN ARTFORM"- GreyICE
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Oh don't think I ever said it, but I enjoyed playing with my fellow scumbuddies greatly. Thanks for the four short days we had together in the QT!
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Crazy game.
I really like this setup. This was my second time playing it. The first time was a town win in 3-person LYLO.
I don't know a whole lot about balance, but I think scum did play much better than town did in this game (myself included, of course.)
I don't understand the purpose of limiting the scum's kills. I could see this setup go without daytalk, too. (With the scum just being notified whenever somebody shoots.)
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