In post 32, Cobblerfone wrote:Never experienced lurker scum
. Now tell me why you're fishing for what the town finds scummy?
PREVIEW: I had no idea that when I joined Ninja Mafia that it would be so literal.
Why do you play mafia?
For fun, and a challenge.
Why are you not scum?
Cause of my role PM and because of the actions I'll take in the future.
What will you be known for this game?
:shrug:
The bolded is a blatant lie. I was in a game with Cobbler where he was town (My meta analysis will follow my case) and I was scum. My partner was a supernewb and lurked HARD the ENTIRE GAME. I was able to keep suspicion off him for the most part, we swept town [/flex] but the fact remains, he lurked. IIRC, Cobbler even called him out on it a couple times...gotta check my FAX tho.
In post 36, Cobblerfone wrote:matt wrote:How the hell do you have a town read on somebody so large that you can blatantly defend them before page 1 is even over?
I'll tell you once RVS is completely done.
Ooo, maybe looking to gauge reactions from people for some scumhunting? Can't wait...
In post 46, Cobblerfone wrote:Link wrote:I don't think it is particularly uncommon to ask about what people consider scumtells. It's actually a good tool for keeping players honest. If you answer one way and then try to use the tell another way later, it's definitely scummy. Any tool that can be used to find inconsistencies is good.
That makes sense.
Too bad
you answered it instead of matt.
Still,
that's a plausible town-motive.
Still,
I'm noting this.
Though,
you also defended me in the same way, so it's less notable.
Unvote
Yeah, I feel like we're already out of RVS so I'll just tell you why I have a town-read on Kcda:
His brashness and how he went and made a FOS in its own little post
. Now this isn't the most clear explanation,
but you see what the heart of the reason is, right?
There are a couple of things I don't like about this post. First, notice how infirm he is on any kind of opinion he might have.
Though,
he could just be intimidated in this big game.
Still,
that doesn't excuse not taking a stance on the matter.
Though,
I guess it could just be d1 paranoia.
Too bad
we don't know who we can trust.
But you see what I'm saying, right?
Second, THIS was what he was withholding from town until RVS was over. That he thinks Kcda is town because he FoS'd someone. Really. Honestly, read it again. I even italicized it to set it apart. WHY would he need to wait until RVS is over to say that? There's no good reason. It reads like it's something he saw some townie do with a town motivation in a different game. It stinks. I don't like it.
In post 67, Cobblerfone wrote:projectmatt wrote:The largest flaw in KDCA's scumhunting is that he is using my "tone" as an argument as to why I am sided with the mafia.
Then why are you sided with the mafia? I see what Kc sees. I hope I can get a more solid scumread later but now:
Vote: projectmatt
again.
What I don't like about this post (AND Kc's for that matter) is this. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that those four 'getting to know you' questions will help town find scum. Period. Nothing in the content of the questions OR the possible answers will do ANYTHING to help town find scum. Period. Yet they're buddying up early on saying that PM is scum based on his answers. Ridiculous. And Scummy.
In post 134, Kcdaspot wrote:BBmolla wrote:BTW, just so everyone's aware, we have 6 MLs and 1 NL until MYLO/LYLO.
And my timezone is PST I think.
lynch.
him.
now.
Remember what i was on about? trying to SEEM town? TAKE A WILD GUESS AT WHAT THE BOLDED IS DOING.
Take a wild guess at what the bolded is doing. Oh wait, this is a Cobbler Case.
In post 182, Cobblerfone wrote:@Maruchan: Please explain your, shall I say, "hyperness"? I know you have a lot of things to respond to,
but it does remind me of a certain scum that also seemed extremely townish. Tomie knows what I'm talking about.
Link wrote:Cobblefone: "Mind-pressure" vote seemed pretty shady, like it was an excuse to not look like sheeping, as others have said. Also, a flag goes up in my head whenever I read this sort of argument. It's clear misrepresentation of someone's words. It's not like actual scum are going to come out and actually say "I'm not scum for that reason." It's not like there is some rule that requires them to make only true statements, so why would scum word something in such a way? And this excuse here uses the same logic. Scum are not required to tell the truth.
Scum-slips are all in the wordings, mate.
Project wrote:Cobblerfone: Scum based off of the wall I posted and his lack of reaction.
Excuse me if I like to keep my posts wider than they are tall. Plus, I knew that if I refuted your case "point by point" it would lead to back and forth tunneling posts.
First of all, bolded is proof positive that Cobbler lied about my first point. He specifically remembers that game (it wasn't long ago.) Tomie was in it too...she was the doctor and I SMOKED her
(Sorry Tomie, wish you were still here...this game needs ur uber-detectivity)
As for the italicized bit, he's attempting to justify his lack of defense against a reasonable (in my opinion) case against him.
In post 171, Kcdaspot wrote:decent get scum points...
I still want my molla lynch.
someone please explain the cobbler wagon to me kaythx
In post 180, Kcdaspot wrote:I like de cobbler wagon thoo...
he hasn't made me feel any better since the first time i FoSed him.
In post 186, Kcdaspot wrote:... FUCK... I wanna call Cobbler town but he was like this as scum...
I DONNO WHAT TO DOOOOOOO
Whatever. This no longer fools me. When we're done with Cobbler, we're coming for YOU scum.
In post 269, Kcdaspot wrote:okayokayokaaaaay. geez
Yeah hiplop IS scum.
8 posts with a lot of fluff, a lot of reads going around and nothing else.
Yeah cobbler is scum
1st 2nd and forth posts scummy, shaky null on ISO 4, ISO's 5-8 scummy. but his 2 latest read town to me. not enough to shake a scum read but hey.
BUUUUUT Molla is lynch now.
just read iso 1 onwards.
More Kcda distancing from Cobbler...it becomes harder later as they both attempt to forward the scum agenda together.
In post 483, Cobblerfone wrote:While I always like anti-scum WIFOM, there's just too much that can go wrong.
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Link wrote:First of all, what is wrong with 18 pages? Really, I think it's kind of short. More players equates to more pages, I'd imagine. i can't really see why he would be opposed to discussion that helps us find scum and see where everybody's head is at. I have the same problem with Empking's response in support of this. Finding the best possible lynch is always preferable to the easiest or fastest lynch, I believe.
Me wrote:VOTE: Hiplop
To follow my own advice.
So basically, he just created a "legitimate" reason for himself to jump on the hiplop wagon.
Me wrote:Thoughts on Projectmatt and hiplop:
Hiplop is only scum if project is. There's no reason to randomly call a building wagon town if Hip is scum and the wagon is town.
So basically, he's jumping on a wagon that he apparently doesn't even necessarily think is scum.
Me wrote:After my experience with Muffin I'm willing to sheep the Hiplop vote.
And even outright admits it.
1: 18 pages is not "the end". It's the signal that we should start wrapping things up. With 18 players it'll take a few pages to settle down.
2: I'm surprised you didn't call me out on not jumping on Molla instead.
3: I trust Muffin's scumread over my townread.
Reverse WIFOM? Really? Honestly? Those were ALL valid points against you Cobbler, and REVERSE WIFOM is the best defense you can think of?
In post 484, Cobblerfone wrote:Me wrote:While I always like anti-scum WIFOM, there's just too much that can go wrong.
To elaborate: Suppose a goon/roleblocker, the doc, and the watcher all target the cop. Now the Watcher risks exposing the doc and himself, possibly getting the doc lynched and himself nightkilled. We do get one scum lynched, but we lose
two
PRs. Three if you count the cop. And if we have four there's a ninja that makes the fourth useless anyway.
This post is useless. Fluff. Pointless. AND scummy.
In post 523, Cobblerfone wrote:Link wrote:1. I've seen Day 1s with less players go on for longer. I think the number of pages signifies nothing. The reason we have a certain amount of time is so that we can use it.
And how many of those games ended in a town win? Taking too much time can suck the life out of town.
Link wrote:3. So you trust zMuffinMan, who took about a week to read the thread and apparently can't be arsed to post much more than a scum read on one of the most popular wagons of the day, over yourself?
Enough for a D1 lynch.
Kcda wrote:@muffin: i think meta is a terrible arguement...
Meta is the best argument.
This is one of the first posts indicating that Cobbler is more interested in lynching than he is in actually lynching SCUM. It's scummy behavior. Why WOULDN'T you want all the time necessary to pick the BEST lynch? You've had misgivings about ALL your reads, you said so yourself that you don't really trust your reads. He's trying to end the day because he knows that town is the most popular wagon and he wants to secure a mislynch.
See? And to think if the day was over, you wouldn't have had this opportunity to pick someone more scummy. Now what was all that 'let's end the day already' nonsense?
In post 1129, Cobblerfone wrote:Projectmatt wrote:
Cobblerfone wrote:
Thoughts on Projectmatt and hiplop:
Hiplop is only scum if project is. There's no reason to randomly call a building wagon town if Hip is scum and the wagon is town.
Post 297, page 12. Nothing that appears terrible at first. He got me as a town read, which means that he believes hiplop is town. Pairing us up as scum was pushing us, but calling us both town because of something town I did really makes no sense. Stay tuned for futher contradictions.
Cobblerfone wrote:
@Projectmatt: No, of course it isn't vice-versa. I'd prefer if the people on Hiplop voted you or Maruchan. Or, that's what I wrote in this response, but after I read that exchange between you and Kc,
I think you're town
, meaning hiplop is probably lazy-town (or incredibly weird scum).
Post 397, two posts after Cobbler's "hiplop is town" thing. Just a straight up contradiction after calling hiplop town. Go re-read his "experience" with Muffin. It's on page 16. It makes no sense for his mind to be sporadically changed.
Did I have a town read on you at that point? I'm pretty sure I didn't.
What about that bolded bit? That came directly from one of your posts.
In post 1186, Cobblerfone wrote:@Projectmatt: I checked my ISO; there is no indication that I thought you were town at that point.
Must not have read post #297. *shrug*
In post 1776, Cobblerfone wrote: In post 1774, killerjester wrote:However, I put zMM as scummier on my list with very similar intentions. The first person to question it, "Hey! You never said zMM was any scummier until just now! What gives?" would prove they are reading the thread closely. This one worked out as intended, and as a result I find Junpei to be all but confirmed town. If everyone really hates how I'm doing this though, I'll stop.
You're saying you did a scummish thing on purpose to find out who's paying attention. Despite the fact that the
mafia would be looking for any scummy thing at all to latch onto that they can use.
I'm not buying it. For one it's anti-town in a way that I can't see town doing, for two it doesn't make any sense at all. Paying attention does not confirm someone as town. Especially since you've already done a "test" that could put the mafia on their toes.
How is coming out with a plan that successfully netted him someone who's by his estimation now confirmed town? And no one even had to die to confirm it! Why are you so against someone reading someone else as town? And further, why do you care how he plays the game? It's not like he tried to derail one of your wagons, or is suspecting you in any way, or did anything to harm town. This is a classic example of exactly what he's talking about. Mafia looking for any scummy thing at all to latch onto that they can use.
ShowIn your Viscera Eyes
I'm really disappointed.
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