Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Don't worry guys, I've got this. I broke down the game into easy lists that even an idiot can follow:

People Who Are Scum:

xRECKONERx
Kise
Albert B. Rampage
zMuffinMan

People Who Are Not Scum:

Fate
The Fonz
Mastermind of Sin

People Who Should Be Watched Suspiciously:

Amrun
Palisade

People Who Should Be Watched For Awesome:

Internet Stranger

People Who Should Go Fuck Themselves:

CooLDoG
Darox
Magister Ludi
Palisade
Bogre
Bunnylover
springlullaby
kiwieagle
Ghostwriter

People Who Don't Matter:

Snakeplissken
WeyounsLastClone
Timeater
Toogeloo
Nero Cain
Oversoul
T-Bone

Original Roll String: 1d25

1 25-Sided Dice: (24) = 24

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Nero Cain

[Mastermind of Sin]

I didn't. I just told you who the scum were, didn't I?

[Mastermind of Sin]

The dice told me it wasn't time yet.

[Mastermind of Sin]

CooLDoG has been added to the protown list. He can still go fuck himself.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Bogre should be watched suspiciously.

Original Roll String: 1d25

1 25-Sided Dice: (12) = 12

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Bunnylover

[Mastermind of Sin]

Whoops.

Unvote, Vote: Bunnylover

[Mastermind of Sin]

GhostWriter or Kise would be a good combatant for Palisade.

Original Roll String: 1d24

1 24-Sided Dice: (22) = 22

[Mastermind of Sin]

Sweet I actually got scum this time.

Unvote, Vote: xRECKONERx

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Wait, shit. I forgot to take Palisade out.

Unvote, Vote: Fate

[Mastermind of Sin]

If MoS isn't vigged come daybreak, no future vig claim will go believed.

Vote: Ludi

Only an idiot vig would listen to scum like you.

If MoS isn't vigged come daybreak, no future vig claim will go believed.

Fuck me sideways, it just hit me: MoS is Havik. Vig, not bullshitting, shoot him if you exist. There is NO WAY Havik is aligned with the town.

LoL Havik? Where did you come up with that, genius?

[Mastermind of Sin]

@mos, why are you still using dice?

vote: MoS

Because I feel like it.

MoS' dice are bothering me but I think it isn't something scum would do. It is stupid, though.

It's MoS' shtick, like UltimaAvalon selfvoting or UK voting the mod. It's not something he 'wouldn't do as scum' because he always does it. I normally policy vote people who do stuff like that (that's

my

shtick) but we have bigger fish to fry.

For some reason this sets off alarm bells in my head.

Also to note, springlullaby votes are stupid. Place your vote on someone who actually has a chance at being scum.

Church.

Again...

Mos, do you have a roll that forces you to vote randomly? Because I see no sane person (scum or town) behaving like you have this game.

"Roll"...I see what you did there! xD

Nope. Just feel like it.

Also, have your scum suspects changed at all?

Are you sure you've read my posts? You just did an ISO of me and still felt the need to ask that question?

Kise and xRECKONERx are definitely scumbuddies.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Don't worry Cooldog, you'll have your shot at GLORYYY tomorrow.

In the meantime, I'm curious to know why MoS wants so much attention for himself.

The real question should be why certain people are more concerned about dice rolling than actually finding scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

^but aren't you the guy rolling the dice?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I've tried very hard to forget Egypt Mafia.

Original Roll String: 1d24

1 24-Sided Dice: (21) = 21

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Unvote, Vote: Magister Ludi

I can get behind this, actually.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I would be willing to throw any of the following into the pit against Palisade-town before I'd throw Ludi in:

ABR
Ghostwriter
The Fonz
Amrun
xRECKONERx
Kise

If anyone feels like starting a wagon on someone from this list, I'm with you.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Also, xRECKONERx is probably the top of that list.

Original Roll String: 1d24

1 24-Sided Dice: (14) = 14

[Mastermind of Sin]

Damn, got really excited that I'd get to vote myself. Still, this works.

Unvote, Vote: The Fonz

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serious question: Why not just vote reck?

Because my one vote won't even matter if no one else sees how scummy he is.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Need more voting of scum, less voting of springlullaby.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Read Darox's iso. Compared to you, where has he scumhunted?

WHERE HAVE I SCUMHUNTED?

ALL IVE DONE IS TRY TO GET A RAGE WAGON GOING ONTO COOLDOGTOWN THAT ID INEVITABLY WIN

AND THEN FORCE A PALLISADE LYNCH THROUGH TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF LUDIS INSANE HATE AND HIS SCUMMY HYDRAPOSTING.

DONT YOU DARE HAVE A FUCKING TOWNREAD ON ME KISE

DONT YOU DARE

UNLESS YOURE A DOCTOR THEN PLZ HALP

Kise implied that you were scumhunting because he's scum buddying up to you.

unvote

VOTE: Amrun

Gogogogogo

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

[Mastermind of Sin]

MAX STAY THE FUCK OUTTA THIS, BIG BOYS IS TALKING

Kids these days, just a bunch of StevieT92 wannabes.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Reck: go meta weyounslastclone. He always plays like this.

PASSIVE META DEFENSE LOCATED.
FIRE ON ALL CYLINDERS.

Told you Amrun was scum.

Vote: WLC

Let's throw Amrun in the ring with him, just in case there are shenanigans.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Amrun

GOGOGOGO

[Mastermind of Sin]

We hate you all.

(This is a code-phrase for: "busy with obligations with a lot to read and a lot to do". Mainly, we need a replacement scumread for Kise.)

Try Amrun.

[Mastermind of Sin]

xRECKONERx, what happened to your gung-ho attack on Amrun-scum?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yup. And then let's throw Amrun and xRECKONERx in the ring together tomorrow. We got this game locked up.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why is Toogeloo scum? I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't see how that post specifically made you vote him.

Also, the Amrun votes aren't to put town vs scum in the ring. We're putting scum vs scum so we win either way.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I see.

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Vote: Amrun

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: GhostWriter

I'm not throwing ABR up there with him.

Also, Amrun is still scum, and it has nothing to do with Reck being a cop.

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: springlullaby is telling the truth, BL's death helps the claim imo.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Also, BunnyLover is stupid for claiming miller as a doctor, making her a prime vig target. Goddamnit.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I think Reck was stating that Muffin was the one trying to paint him as scummy, not Amrun.

PEdit: Reck DID vote Palisades out the gate Day 2, after voting for him Day 1 as well. Wouldn't he have scanned Pali Night 1, just to be sure?

We're not lynching Amrun because of Reck AT ALL. I've been trying to put Amrun up for death since Day 1, until Kise wrecked it, and then Day 2 we had a slam dunk so we couldn't kill Amrun yet. We've got another slam dunk today, but we might as well keep putting Amrun in the ring every day until we get a chance to actually finish the job.

[Mastermind of Sin]

That was Reck's case. I've been trying to lynch Amrun since Day 1.

Also, how do you know he's not a black dragon?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Posted on Day 1:

I would be willing to throw any of the following into the pit against Palisade-town before I'd throw Ludi in:

ABR

Ghostwriter

The Fonz
Amrun

xRECKONERx

Kise

If anyone feels like starting a wagon on someone from this list, I'm with you.

In other news, I feel pretty good about the net I cast in this post. ABR and Reck obviously rubbed me the wrong way because they were hiding that they were a power role. Process of elimination leaves me feeling pretty comfortable with my vote, and The Fonz still looks good for lynching, too.

I don't think Amrun is scum because of interactions with WLC, although that was certainly a nice icing on the cake. Not being a Black Dragon doesn't preclude Amrun from being in the other scumgroup. However, I could get behind The Fonz going into the ring tomorrow instead of Amrun, if y'all want to be pussies about it.

[Mastermind of Sin]

After the showdown MoS needs some loving if you know what I mean

You're retarded kthnx.

Lynch order:
GW
MASTIN. WITH FIRE AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF
Possibly MOS
LURKERS DIE!

Tomorrows lynch has to be pali. He will not live another two nights!
I'm currently not willing to lynch amrun right now... Possibly later after a few more flips.

Considering that Palisade and I are both town, you need to fix your lynch list. Try throwing Amrun and The Fonz up higher. I'll get back to you with more suspects.

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OMG NANOOK IS BACK! <3

HAI NANOOK!

Vote: Amrun

Let's get this done and give Amrun another KO.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Because if Ghost has an ability that saves him from the arena by KOing the other person, there's no point in putting someone who is town (ie Palisades) in harm's way.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Amrun has been on the Palisade, Cooldog, and Springlullaby wagons. All terrible wagons on town players. She hasn't really given us any useful content all game. You accuse me of not posting a case on Amrun, and yet Amrun hasn't posted a case on

anyone

all game. It's just goddamn shameful how scummy she is, and you're giving her a pass because she's not in the same scumgroup as WLC? Bullshit.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I've been saying Palisade is town since Day 1. Where were you?

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EBWOP: springlullaby is telling the truth, BL's death helps the claim imo.

If at anytime Spring flips scum this is her buddy..

Lurker lynching is synonymous with lolfail-lynching.

no. Lurkers don't help the town and its quite possible for there to be lurkerscum.

vote:paliside

Considering that Nero Cain 5 posts in this game so far...naw, he's obviously trolling us. Can't be serious, right?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Choose: Ghostwriter

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pretty sure we need to be lynching The Fonz.

Vote: The Fonz

IGMEOY: Amrun

In other news, lots of shit going on in my life right now, so super limited posting for the next few weeks.

[Mastermind of Sin]

-____- brainfart. I forgot that Ermac flipped Doctor with Miller condition.

Darox, no one told me that ahead of time, but it is likely that ABR was told so which is why he didn't plead for anyone to protect him instead of CoolDog.

Totally didn't read this whole exchange.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

Pleading for doc protection is wrong. ABR knows this. Thus, ABR would not plead for doc protection regardless of whether or not his role was one-shot. This is doubly true with two claimed power roles to choose from.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Palisade has always been a dumb lynch, and it still is.

[Mastermind of Sin]

nope, I wouldn't lie to you. Not after everything we've been through.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not putting Palisade in the ring, because I'm not taking the chance that you idiots decide to save Oversoul. I will support pretty much any other wagon for the second person.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: kiwieagle

[Mastermind of Sin]

thanks for the ninja so I can add in,

vote: palisade

. How many kills has he racked up?

Stupid vote.

[Mastermind of Sin]

V/LA the next two days.

Alright.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: kiwieagle

in case it wasn't a hammer. Throwing Palisade into the ring is retarded.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Honestly, I'm tempted to choose Palisade just so we don't have to go through this stupid situation

again

next day phase.

That may in fact be the worst reasoning I have heard for lynching Palisade to date.

"Let's lynch Palisade so we don't have to debate over whether or not they're scum anymore!"

Totally not a scummy stance at all... [/sarcasm]

[Mastermind of Sin]

Choose: Oversoul

Everyone choosing Palisade is either scum or stupid.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Mercy: Oversoul, Choose: Oversoul

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unchoose, Choose: Oversoul

[Mastermind of Sin]

mercy: oversoul, choose: oversoul

[Mastermind of Sin]

Two things:

1) I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO. Seriously, you guys are fucking retarded. How could you be dumb enough to think Palisade was scum? We should probably be lynching that entire wagon today.

2) V/LA still, for the next day or two.

[Mastermind of Sin]

The following players need to die, in no particular order:

Magister Ludi, Timeater, Internet Stranger, The Fonz, kiwieagle, Toogeloo, CSL

I'm gonna start with

Vote: The Fonz

[Mastermind of Sin]

Spent some time this morning ISOing a couple players.

Mastermind of Sin has moved up my list of scummy players. He was White Knighting Palisades to the nth degree since Day 1. If he is scum, he would of course have known that Palisades was town, and he was Pal's only defender. The "I told you so," comment I think was just butter on the toast.

How can you say I was whiteknighting someone who was so obviously town? There wasn't a

single

reasonable argument given for Palisade to be scum. Mastin is an obv easy lynch, and the scum took advantage of that. I will straight up call every single protown person on that wagon an idiot for voting Palisade, because that was

FUCKING STUPID

.

In other news, I think Toogeloo and kiwieagle haven't read up on their MoS meta recently.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Then don't make conclusions on the supposed intent behind my posts when you don't know how I play as town... lawl.

[Mastermind of Sin]

You're really, really confused about something.

Apparently so. I just didn't understand it. Though reading back....

MOS wagon position changes-942,962,966
Muffinman wagon position changes-964

MOS doing it three times though?

I wouldn't mind throwing MOS in the pit today.

[quote="In post 1056, I'm sure you've bussed and defended partners in the past, so why is the revelation that I have as well so stunning. Why is the fact that I have done the same such an important revelation to you?

Its not. Though its my job to scumhunt and that's the first thing I thought about so I'm letting others know.

You do realize that we can't talk during the last phase of day except to vote and unvote, right? I already got warned for post 933, so I expressed my displeasure at the people trying to kill Palisade by continually voting Oversoul over and over. I'm honestly surprised you didn't understand what I was doing...

[Mastermind of Sin]

sooo your defense is read my town meta and gtfo?

Incorrect. My defense is the following:

READ MY SCUM META AND GTFO

See? Totally different.

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In other news, I didn't actually think IS was scum until he started flailing around in his last two posts. Now...I dunno.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well, you just threw out 5 suspects at once, most of whom you suspect for the same reason you went after Palisade, which was clearly terrible to begin with. So it pretty much just looks like you're trying to shift the attention elsewhere. If that's not flailing, I don't know what is.

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I couldn't give a shit about Ludi. He was scummy earlier, but honestly he hasn't done anything to draw my attention lately.

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Oh I see, he was scummy before, but now doing nothing makes him townie enough to not warrant your attention. Interesting. Really.

Pretty much. What you gonna do about it?

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Vote: Internet Stranger

Yup. This feels right.

Let's lynch Ludi tomorrow anyway, cuz they're probably distancing.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Internet Stranger

Yup. This feels right.

Let's lynch Ludi tomorrow anyway, cuz they're probably distancing.

Why not put them both into the pit together? It would make more sense as it would deprive them of their ability to distance. Your vote seems like the weakest reasoning ever to vote someone.

I haven't formed an opinion on Stranger yet... I do have a gut feeling Ludi is town. I know I was supposed to make a catchup post, but nothing really happened other than Nero Cain tunneling me and a wagon forming on Internet.

Oh yea, this *is* the game where we can put two people up for death! Ohsnap.

Although this is not the game where we can kill two people in one day, so it doesn't really matter. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

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I thought my post had a suspicion.

Suspicion

s

, good friend. Tricky things, those plurals.

READ MY SCUM META AND GTFO

If you're aware of your meta, you can manipulate it. Thus, it's a pretty shitty defense to tell someone to go read your meta.

Also, definitely not a fan of the Ludi wagon. IS makes a big post attacking Ludi, and most people discount it because it's flailing even though they can't explain why? No.

If I was into manipulating my meta, why haven't I done it before this game? What would make this game special, that I would suddenly start doing something I don't do it any of my other 100+ games?

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In other news, I didn't actually think IS was scum

until

he started flailing around in his last two posts. Now...I dunno.

Calling a guy scum and not voting is a big scum tell in my book.

Vote: Internet Stranger

Yup. This feels right.

Let's lynch Ludi tomorrow anyway, cuz they're probably distancing.

oppertunistic vote + linning up lynches

Wait, you realize you just accused me of not voting a guy I said was scummy and then in the very next comment saying that my voting that very same guy was opportunistic? Surely a player of your

caliber

can see how that doesn't make

any

sense.

Looks to me like all you're trying to do is defend IS here.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm kinda liking a Nero/IS/kiwi group atm.

[Mastermind of Sin]

IS-town doesn't both with analyzing and laying out further explanations. His cause is too righteous to be bogged down by details.

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: *bother

[Mastermind of Sin]

V/LA the next 2 days.

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To be fair, IS, I wouldn't think you were scum on all of the avenues you suggested. Because some of them are things that town-IS would do.

Thank you for convincing me of one thing, though.

IS/Nero/Ludi are our scum. Kiwi might be a 4th scum, but zmuffin made a good point about him probably just being retarded.

Let's throw IS and Ludi in the ring today, and then the survivor can go against Nero tomorrow, k?

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Wait palisades was mastin?

Lynching him is a town tell. Who thought he was town?

Anyone want to earn me a cookie by telling me who was defending him to the hilt?

How does that even make sense? It doesn't matter who palisades was. A simple ISO of their posts revealed protown motivation. Unlike the rest of you, I do not have a history with mastin, and I could care less whether or not people hate him. It was NOT protown to lynch him, and the scum took advantage of the hate to rally careless/stupid townspeople to his lynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Darox, please comment on the IS/Nero/Ludi scumteam.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I needed to take a step back and look over the game again and make sure I wasn't letting anyone slip through the cracks. Here's what I came back with:

1.

CSL

- CSL is coasting, a quick ISO of him revealed that he was all over the Palisade wagon without posting any reasoning, and then he flipflopped between who to save once he was in the ring with Oversoul, and then AFTER he was dead, CSL claimed that "I never felt that Palisade was town until he started posting walls," in spite of the fact that it was his own switching of votes that saved Oversoul at the last second when he was one vote away from being killed, prompting CooLDoG to hammer.

4.

zMuffinMan

- muffin and I have had a lot of the same trains of thought so far this game, so I have a hard time seeing him as scum. He's been one of the few voices of reason in this game. I'm still keeping an eye on him, though.

8.

Nachomamma8

- His first post after replacing actually contained a really good point: "IS is not IS, which is sad, but means we'll probably get more done. We gotta wait until I build up some towncred first though because he'll just beat whoever he's up against into a bloody pulp regardless of alignment." This occurred before the IS suspicion, and I think it's a really decent point that IS hasn't felt like himself so far this game. He hasn't been acting like town-IS at all. Getting back to Nacho, though, his ISO shows a lot of insightful posts, to the extent that I wouldn't expect from scum. He feels very genuine, and I'm inclined to place him in the town category. However, I'm still not entirely sure why he's voting for me, as he hasn't expressed any suspicions for me so far.

9.

Darox

- I'm having a hard time naming one protown thing that Darox has done this game. On the other hand, other than being completely retarded about Palisade, he hasn't done much in the way of anti-town shit either. His suspect list today is meh, and most of his ISO is meh. So that's my conclusion: meh. He needs to make a great effort and stop being an idiot if he's going to fall into the town category.

10.

GreyICE

- I think springlullaby was probably telling the truth, so I'm willing to let GreyICE skate for now. He needs to give us some real content, though.

13.

The Fonz

- The first thing I notice in The Fonz's ISO is that he was majorly pushing to out BL's full role when she claimed miller. He not only picked up on the fact that she was a power role, but he used that to try and get her to claim unnecessarily. It makes me think she was a scumkill. Additionally, he was all over the Palisade wagon, which is a second strike. Third strike will put him at the top of my scumlist.

15.

kiwieagle

- kiwieagle has just been pretty much retarded all game. He's like Darox-light, cuz he doesn't even pretend to give us content either. Useless != Scum, though.

16.

Internet Stranger

- I've said all I can say on IS at this point. He's scummy as fuck and hasn't been himself.

17.

Bogre

- Was with me on the Palisade read, but hasn't really done much else other than go after Oversoul and kiwieagle. If we do have a white knight out here, it's probably Bogre. Not enough evidence to do anything about it yet, though.

18.

Toogeloo

- I don't really know what to think of Toogeloo. He doesn't seem to understand why Palisade was town, but at the same time, a lot of his early posts felt genuine and looked like he put a lot of effort into them. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's town.

19.

Amrun

- Half-confirmed town, scummy as fuck. We'll come back to her when we know more about the setup.

20.

Magister Ludi

- Didn't do anything of substance other than tunnel on Palisade all game. Unfortunately, my gut now tells me that he was one of the few who actually let their bloodlust for mastin get away from them and didn't pay attention to anything Palisade was actually saying. If Ludi is really town, he needs to give us some better content. The call on IS is good, but I want some more in-depth looks at the other players from Ludi.

24.

Nero Cain

- Skated by until today on next to no content, was one of the people who said we should throw Palisade in the ring because it doesn't matter who goes up against Oversoul since he's going to die anyway (which backfired and was what we were trying to warn you guys about). Now today all of a sudden he turns on the afterburners and starts attacking people. Not seeing anything good from this player slot.

25.

Oversoul

- The gambit seemed real, I'm willing to let this alone for now. I don't really know why he was in the ring to begin with, but I just don't have a read on him.

tl;dr -

Scumny:

CSL
The Fonz
IS
Nero Cain

Undecided:

Darox
kiwieagle
Bogre
Amrun
Magister Ludi
Oversoul

Town:

zMuffinMan
Nachomamma8
GreyICE
Toogeloo

Man, I really hate the people I have to be town with this game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh btw. I'm willing to throw up any two people off my scumlist.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Nero

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Unvote;
Vote: CSL

...just to ensure Oversoul isn't going into the ring, and CSL makes a good back-up to MoS since he isn't getting attention today it seems. I am fine with CSL v. Nero in a fight to the death. Had a town read on Nero earlier, and a scum read on CSL, but I have town reads on *most* of the people on Nero, so their judgment is worth noting as well. Their arguments in the ring will be my deciding factor though.

I'm a little concerned of the exodus off of IS, and forsee a constant problem with IS v. Ludi tomorrow, especially given today was dominated by that discussion. But I very much would like to discuss the anti-town/floaters and get them sorted out as well.


Passed my stone last night btw, thanks to everyone for their wishes.

We still have to put Nero into the ring, no point in voting CSL yet.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oversoul, you should just sheep my vote for a while. I won't steer you wrong.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Choose: Noise Cain

[Mastermind of Sin]

CHOOSE: NERO CAIN

[Mastermind of Sin]

Scum MVPs: Oversoul, Bogre, The Fonz

Other thoughts:

- WHAT. THE. FUCK.
- I am dead serious, every town player who thought Palisade was a good lynch EVER, is fucking retarded. That shit was ridiculous.
- This game would have been more fun if there were mechanics related to being in the ring. Power roles that only affected that portion of the game would have been cool, too. It felt like you just designed a setup and then tacked on the voting mechanic for the hell of it. The synergy wasn't there that would've made this setup much better.

[Mastermind of Sin]

This is the first completed town game I have in all of 2011.

[Mastermind of Sin]

It's over?

BUT HOW DID WE LOSE THIS. HOW.

Mafia killed anyone who wasn't busy trying to lynch VIs as soon as they could. And the remaining players didn't notice that the only people the mafia were willing to leave alive were the ones who thought people like Oversoul actually made sense as a lynch. I mean c'mon, he was pretty obviously town after that ridiculous failed gambit.