Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

[AurorusVox]

Despite multiscum and despite "scum lynches can still be scumdriven"?

>_>"

[mastin2]

Yes. Nacho's being pushed by (and as a counterwagon to) BBMolla, Chaotic Evil.

Conclusion: barring powerbus shenanigans, Nacho is not Chaotic Evil.

Therefore, Nacho could only be Lawful Evil. Which means that theoretically he could be scum, with his lynch being scumdriven. But as I said, I have a gut feeling which says otherwise.

[TiphaineDeath]

No, replacing should not be a free roll.

I'm going with my gut on this one VOTE: Briz.

[CooLDoG]

No, replacing should not be a free roll.

I'm going with my gut on this one VOTE: Briz.

How can it be a free roll if he isn't in the game anymore?

[TiphaineDeath]

what i mean is I shouldn't dump my suspicion of the slot because a new person is going to come into it. It isn't right to not lynch someone I would have lynched jsut because they replaced. A replace should be compeltely neutral, even if it often isn't.

[CooLDoG]

Right. Why did you unvote then.

[Nachomamma8]

Hate to turn up out of the blue uninvited but I, couldn't stay away, I couldn't fight it.

Wonderful to turn up in thread and see mastin is town.

I thought briz was town mainly for his interactions with norman. For while he could have put a vote and parked it, you see him originally making a bit of a odd comment (the troll or under-appreciated genius), voting for him after the lynch me bit, and then continuously questioning and asking opinions. I liked that.

Also, I'm going to catch up intermittently. But meanwhile, I'm going to be scumhunting from current shit.

TD's little "oh, i should unvote to give the replacement a chance" to immediate "fuck that, he's still scum" reads distinctly townish. Mastin trying to clear me based on arrogant assumptions is town as hell. Cooldog is very different than how I remember him.

[AurorusVox]

ISO'd Briz, caught my name a couple times, this was nice:

after a quick ISO, AVoX actually looks like argumentative town.

I'll vote:
MoS
moneybags
ooba
Pine
LordMhork
Jackal
AVoX

D:

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Of further note around the same sort of time:

Although BBMolla doesn't look that town, he doesn't look particularly scummy either.

BB lynch is 'meh' for me but it seems like it's the only lynch that everyone can agree on, at least before the deadline - so I'm going to

VOTE:BBMolla

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Town seems to have split in 2 over whether CoolDog is town or not, lets just assume for the moment that he's town and try and reach a productive lynch before deadline.

Town is split on CD so "let's assume he's town" = ?
Especially considering he is split on BBMolla and votes him anyway (after calling Shadoweh town)

Then he reverses his view on Shadoweh after reading a case. Opportunistic timing maybe? Or wily town actually noticing a good lynch?

I know Reg's case boils down to a chaotic/sloppy scumlist, and I can see where he's coming from.
A good lynch.

And I find myself agreeing with CD.

...Christ.

[AurorusVox]

Also we should keep Nacho around as long as he continues to quote Adele songs.

[TiphaineDeath]

I needed time to think about BB and while I was undecided I saw no reason to leave the vote on briz?

[CooLDoG]

Hate to turn up out of the blue uninvited but I, couldn't stay away, I couldn't fight it.

Wonderful to turn up in thread and see mastin is town.

I thought briz was town mainly for his interactions with norman. For while he could have put a vote and parked it, you see him originally making a bit of a odd comment (the troll or under-appreciated genius), voting for him after the lynch me bit, and then continuously questioning and asking opinions. I liked that.

Also, I'm going to catch up intermittently. But meanwhile, I'm going to be scumhunting from current shit.

TD's little "oh, i should unvote to give the replacement a chance" to immediate "fuck that, he's still scum" reads distinctly townish. Mastin trying to clear me based on arrogant assumptions is town as hell. Cooldog is very different than how I remember him.

Have you re-read the game? Also, a full list of reads would be fantastic.

[Shadow1psc]

ISO'd Briz, caught my name a couple times, this was nice:

after a quick ISO, AVoX actually looks like argumentative town.

I'll vote:
MoS
moneybags
ooba
Pine
LordMhork
Jackal
AVoX

D:

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Of further note around the same sort of time:

Although BBMolla doesn't look that town, he doesn't look particularly scummy either.

BB lynch is 'meh' for me but it seems like it's the only lynch that everyone can agree on, at least before the deadline - so I'm going to

VOTE:BBMolla

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Town seems to have split in 2 over whether CoolDog is town or not, lets just assume for the moment that he's town and try and reach a productive lynch before deadline.

Town is split on CD so "let's assume he's town" = ?
Especially considering he is split on BBMolla and votes him anyway (after calling Shadoweh town)

Then he reverses his view on Shadoweh after reading a case. Opportunistic timing maybe? Or wily town actually noticing a good lynch?

I know Reg's case boils down to a chaotic/sloppy scumlist, and I can see where he's coming from.
A good lynch.

And I find myself agreeing with CD.

...Christ.

This is the clearest example of why CoolDog isn't being lynched, but should be.

[Zdenek]

Shadow, I don't understand.

Also, Nacho has no scum reads.

I'd probably vote BBMolla before I voted Briz, but I'd till like Nacho dead.

[CooLDoG]

Shadow, I don't understand.

Also, Nacho has no scum reads.

I'd probably vote BBMolla before I voted Briz, but I'd till like Nacho dead.

Welcome to all the wagons that have been led on me. All of them by lurkers or people who really don't have a case. Let's stop talking about dumb wagons like mine a britz and let's lynch BB all ready. NO DEADLINE LYNCH TODAY. No stupid shit like what happened the last two days. Lynch BB now.

[Pine]

^This has got to be one of the scummiest posts all game. Completely erases all of the "ehhh, he's probably just being a derp" credit he's accrued.

[Regfan]

Still think Briz needs to be lynched. Still think BB lynch is shit. Still think LB might be scum and will until Mina posts and convinces me otherwise.

Also feel better about AV, think he's town at the moment. Also won't be backing a Nacho lynch, he's still nulltown.

Oh and Pine, I'm still waiting for a full list of reads from you.

[CooLDoG]

@Pine, says the guy who doesn't know what his role does.

[PeregrineV]

I'm behind but will catch up from my last post today.

[Moneybags]

VOTE: CoolDog
BB can live at this point. As scum at L-2 wouldn't you be trying a little harder to live? When was his last post again?
Yeah. A CD lynch is much overdue.

[Pine]

CD, I know precisely what my role DOES. No idea where you got that impression. We merely differ on how to BEST use it. Now fuck off.

@Reg: I must have missed your request. I'll get to it tonight or in the morning

[AurorusVox]

CD, I know precisely what my role DOES. No idea where you got that impression. We merely differ on how to BEST use it. Now fuck off.

Oh really?

Because I can paint a pretty picture of you "realising" that our way was the best way to use it during D2, conveniently forgetting over N2, then finding our method agreeable again on D3.

Spoiler: Pretty Picture

Stuff about using Pine's role to catch claimed ethical lies

Wow, that's...really valid. Not the accusation, that's bullshit, but the massclaim speculation. With scum being forced to lie, then I could actually function as a full Cop.

The problem is that that's the FIRST TIME anyone's come up with that. Despite having pages and pages of discussion. If it were as obvious as you're pretending, someone would have come up with it a long tine ago. So give yourself some credit, cut me some slack, and let's discuss it's merits (and drawbacks).

^My way is really valid. It makes your role useful. Then this:

Investigated chesskid, roleblocked. On my way to practice, post later

WTF?

I'd like to be useful with my power some time before I'm dead. Or at least force scum to use a shot on me.

"Woe is me, I can't be useful yet" - despite having acknowledged the best way to use it yesterday.

Work of tomorrow, will get to this game then. I skimmed Tiphs case on Briz, it's good but I'll add a few more things to it then. People really need to move over to him though.

Also Pine needs to post a fuckload more in here, especially an explanation for his investigation choice.

As I stated on D1, I investigate people I have poor or unclear reads on. To be quite frank, I more or less picked at random from my large group of null reads. I was (correctly) anticipating a roleblock, so I didn't put a ton of effort into the decision.

However, I am anticipating the possibility of being freed up after a BB lynch. Can we get together a comprehensive list of who's claimed what?

"Comprehensive List" suggests he sees the usefulness of his role after all. But he nevertheless used it wrong and/or randomly (both bad). The fact he got RB'd does nothing to lessen that.

N1: Investigated wrongly
D2: Defended choice, realised error of ways and accepts usefulness of the right choice
N2: Makes same mistake again
D3: Defends choice, but claims to have put no effort into it, but sees the usefulness of the right choice

This is crap.

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Also Pine, bro, what happened to your Briz hate?

Spoiler: PineBriz D1

Hrm. I'd forgotten that Brizingre is scum. Amusing that his lynch list is me and three of my strongest Townreads.

Unvote
Vote: Brizingre

Faraday, ISO this scumbag and tell me if you see the opportunism that I see.

@MoS: Brizingrescum

Unvote
Vote: BB

Not going to get my brizingre lynch, looks like.

Yeah, that's because Brizingre is pulling his reads out of his ass, MoS.

This is everything you say about Briz D1. Then, D2:

Work of tomorrow, will get to this game then. I skimmed Tiphs case on Briz, it's good but I'll add a few more things to it then. People really need to move over to him though.

Also Pine needs to post a fuckload more in here, especially an explanation for his investigation choice.

As I stated on D1, I investigate people I have poor or unclear reads on. To be quite frank, I more or less picked at random from my large group of null reads. I was (correctly) anticipating a roleblock, so I didn't put a ton of effort into the decision.

However, I am anticipating the possibility of being freed up after a BB lynch. Can we get together a comprehensive list of who's claimed what?

This is the only place he's mentioned.

PLEASE NOTE

, the post Pine quotes even INCLUDES SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT BRIZ BEING SCUM and Pine does not even mention him.

Unvote; Vote: Pine

I still support the BBMolla wagon in spirit. But this scumbag, like, wow.

[Regfan]

AV, thing is unless I've misunderstood something Pine can only really be scum if Shadow1 is also scum meaning that Pines never the optimal lynch at all.

[AurorusVox]

Why can't Pine be scum unless Shadow1 is?

[Regfan]

His explanation on his 180 flip on Pine being scum yesterday to him being town today was a soft-claim of a town result on Pine.

[TiphaineDeath]

meh, MOS and Pine are connected way stronger than those two.