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BK201 Mafia Scum
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raspberrylicious Townie
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BK201 Mafia Scum
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Thomith He/TheyMafia ScumHe/They
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L-2 when we were clearly outside of RVS isn't RVS and is a bad explanation imo, also you are voting, so you do have things to explain.thomith could be a court jester
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Venmar He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Raspberry hasn't been useful at all so far. Him denying to really say anything because he doesn't have anything to explain sounds scummy. Basically, not willing to help us in any way and not contributing is anti-town.I swear I'm trying my best
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TeChNoWC Mafia Scum
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In post 218, Nachomamma8 wrote:I like Venmar and would support adding him to the alliance.
Argula wrote:Even though thomith is scummier, IMO, BwB would be the smarter lynch.
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Venmar wrote:I still think Thomith is probably a better lynch than Burke, but
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Make a case for who you think is scummiest. Annoying and not really contributing are not necessarily scum traits. Personally, I would rather lynch rasp or thomith before bw.
BK wrote:I think we should have the Hider claim, and have the Tracker/Vig choose Tracker. Hider claim + Tracker follow is awesome. (props to LF for thinking of this)
Yeah, I think the hider should claim now.
Techno wrote:@BK I'm not sure how this would work. If the Hider claims, and the tracker follows him, then the tracker would have to claim to be able to tell us who he hid behind, thus:
a) scum will know who the tracker and hider are or
b) scum have claimed tracker and hider and are now leading town down a deadly path of destruction.
Tracker doesn't claim until the hider dies. If tracker dies, hider claims his innocents. That way, scum won't be able to kill the innocents as the hider claims them. If scum decide to claim hider/tracker, then they will be counterclaimed, and we get free scum.
Ok, so given BK has claimed Hider, does this mean come D2 he tells us who he hid behind? And if they survived, this confirms they are town?
What if BK is scum, and claimed to hide behind one of his scum partners? Now we have two scum out of the firing line, and great odds at a mislynch, then come D3 we are pretty much fucked.
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Arugula Mafia Scum
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LlamaFluff Jack of All Trades
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In post 231, Arugula wrote:If BK is scum claiming hider, the real hider would claim and we would lynch BK.
Eyup
Im interested to see what Bw brings to the table when he comes back here.
@rasp - Was your vote on Thomith RVS or pressure, those are two entirely different things. What is your current read on him too? Additionally, try and explain your Venmar read.-
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TeChNoWC Mafia Scum
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In post 231, Arugula wrote:If BK is scum claiming hider, the real hider would claim and we would lynch BK.
That crossed my mind, and if no one claims I am fine with it (which means we need to hear from everyone until the end of D1). If no one claims I'm happy to take the risk and trust him, but if someone was to claim, whose to say which one is lying? You yourself just said that if someone was to claim we would lynch BK, which is a great opening now (if BK is town), for a scum to claim hider.
Ok, just realised this would then expose the true scum who misclaimed, if that scenario arose. Sounds good enough to me, let's do it.
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DCLXVI Mafia Scum
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Sorry, wasn't able to finish my catchup post yet. I am working on it.
However, at the moment I'm seeing venmar and thomith as possible scum. (wouldn't say right now if they could be partners)
Seeing Llama as town, BK 201 is obvious town since no counterclaim.
I'm also slightly suspicious of techno, I don't like his initial distrust of BK, feels almost like scum trying to undermine the hider track strat thing.
Also, setup question to the mod.
Is the tracker capable of following the hider, I was under the impression that if the hider hid, then he couldn't be targeted by anyone...Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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LowMan are BwBurke are on V/LA. Prodding andrew94
In post 234, DCLXVI wrote:Is the tracker capable of following the hider, I was under the impression that if the hider hid, then he couldn't be targeted by anyone...
I'm...not actually 100% certain. I'm pretty sure that yes he can; hiding is basically visiting another player to avoid being nightkilled. I'll find out for sure and let you guys know at some point today (busy day) but for now we'll go with yes.ShowSome people are like slinkies--not good for much but always bring a smile to your face when pushed down stairs.
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Just slightly V/LA now.
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Thomith He/TheyMafia ScumHe/They
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just something i missed, rasp it is day 1, but that doesn't mean you can just post nothing and jump around with no content.
FOS:rasp
start doing something.thomith could be a court jester
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TeChNoWC Mafia Scum
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In post 234, DCLXVI wrote:Sorry, wasn't able to finish my catchup post yet. I am working on it.
However, at the moment I'm seeing venmar and thomith as possible scum. (wouldn't say right now if they could be partners)
Seeing Llama as town, BK 201 is obvious town since no counterclaim.
I'm also slightly suspicious of techno, I don't like his initial distrust of BK, feels almost like scum trying to undermine the hider track strat thing.
Also, setup question to the mod.
Is the tracker capable of following the hider, I was under the impression that if the hider hid, then he couldn't be targeted by anyone...
My INITIAL distrust of BK was long before he claimed, but with no counterclaim thus far, and until there is, I trust his claim.
Even if hypothetically BK was hider and I was scum, there would be no way of me knowing he was hider, so your point is moot.-
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raspberrylicious Townie
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In post 232, LlamaFluff wrote:@rasp - Was your vote on Thomith RVS or pressure, those are two entirely different things. What is your current read on him too? Additionally, try and explain your Venmar read.
- Pressure, I'd say. Nothing puts more pressure on someone than L-2, right?
- Neutral to leaning scum.
- It's just this weird feeling I get from reading his posts, y'know?
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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In post 236, Thomith wrote:just something i missed, rasp it is day 1, but that doesn't mean you can just post nothing and jump around with no content.
FOS:rasp
start doing something.
does rasp being on the Venmar wagon with you give you any doubts?
Unvote, Vote: BwBurke
i'm actually liking rasp's most recent posting. not enough to call him a town read, but enough from not wanting him to burn a fiery and painful death."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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andrew94 Mafia Scum
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Arugula Mafia Scum
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In post 240, andrew94 wrote:i didnt get a prod but im still here!!!
Why don't you post something constructive then? Any comments on Bw, Thomith, Venmar, BK's claim, Tech, or the alliance?-
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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andrew94 Mafia Scum
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In post 241, Arugula wrote:In post 240, andrew94 wrote:i didnt get a prod but im still here!!!
Why don't you post something constructive then? Any comments on Bw, Thomith, Venmar, BK's claim, Tech, or the alliance?
i made that post so i dont get prodded? im busy atm
also look at your posts
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andrew94 Mafia Scum
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well tech, how goes the iso.
i didnt say thomith was sheeping. i was saying Venmar was sheeping. the quotes that i posted were when someone else already said something similar
I also dont believe meta..
In post 193, Thomith wrote:even though kass admitted they were a troll, they usually still give reasons and play at least a little, do you say we just ignore them all game because they are a troll andrew?
Where did i say we should just ignore them all day. i was basically saying, if they had reasons they would have posted it already.
instead of just voting
tech is looking town for post 215 but then post 233 is over cautious. i dont believe that he would not have thought of that. obviously the real one would counter...
thomith post 221 looks like scum
and the plan is assuming the tracker picks tracker...
argula is scum due to gut.
BK's claim- if not1 cc i believe
Tech- reaching null now
Venmar- scummy
Thomith- scummy
Bw - i dont even know he existed. he posts way too low, null.
alliance- only ppl i like in alliance is prob nacho and kassadin and bk if he doesnt get cc
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Venmar He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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@Andrew94
- Can you explain your suspicions on me?
- Why do you like Nacho and Kassadin in the alliance?
- Why does post 221 make Thomith look like scum?
- These are simple things, i don't like it when people make reads and lists and then make no explanations for them. It would always be nice if everyone did so because it saves time, and it helps town. You made some explanations, and i congratulate you on that, but there are some holes. Stating something like "hes scum" and provide no opinion or explanation to back up that claim, then you are not helping anyone. Instead of that, do something along the lines of "hes scum because of X,Y and Z", or "hes scum because of action X, action b, reaction Z", ect.
- The above point also applies to BwBurker, Rast, and LowMan. I would also say Kassadin but he just plays like that...I swear I'm trying my best
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Arugula Mafia Scum
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In post 243, andrew94 wrote:In post 241, Arugula wrote:In post 240, andrew94 wrote:i didnt get a prod but im still here!!!
Why don't you post something constructive then? Any comments on Bw, Thomith, Venmar, BK's claim, Tech, or the alliance?
i made that post so i dont get prodded? im busy atm
also look at your posts
pot kettle black
I've been posting. Saying pot kettle black (which I had to google) is stupid.
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DCLXVI Mafia Scum
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Hey, everyone, sorry this took a day longer, but yeah, I totally forgot about the marathon weekend.
Anyone basically what this is is my thoughts on posts throughout the game. Some of it is insightful, some of it is just mundane stuff. I'm doing this partly to give you guys an idea of what I think of the game so far and also to help myself understand the game. So yeah, reads and cases will come tomorrow though you can probably tell what my positions are on most people from this post. I will highlight important stuff from here when I do the read post.
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DCLXVI Mafia Scum
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In post 237, TeChNoWC wrote:My INITIAL distrust of BK was long before he claimed, but with no counterclaim thus far, and until there is, I trust his claim.
Even if hypothetically BK was hider and I was scum, there would be no way of me knowing he was hider, so your point is moot.
Yeah, as I read through the thread I saw that you indeed has previous distrust of BK, which I don't have a problem with as some of his play was sketchy. I'm actually glad he was the hider because that eliminates one potential scum read.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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TeChNoWC Mafia Scum
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Officially nominating DCLXVI as the best replace in person on mafiascum for the most detailed catchup post I've ever seen.
Thought I should clarify a few things from your post:
1) I have no problem with RQS, as long as the questions don't have potential rolefishing questions and the such. I didn't think any of those questions did, and Venmar's personality lines up with his possible motives to RQS. He says he is a generally chatty player, and he does come across that way. If an RQS had supsicious looking questions and the poster lurked there on in and posted one liners, I'd be very concerned. Venmar does worry me and I find him hard to read, and you're right, his vote on Burke was somewhat sus, though I need to go back through and check his earlier opinions on Burke. In my experience though, noob often wagon when sound reasoning is given whether scum or town, because they don't trust their own judgements well enough and want to fit into the crowd, even when town. Venmar isn't noob noob, so I am not sure how much this applies to him but noob town are often somewhat hesitant and nervous about how they look towards other players, so I try not to take it as a scumtell. That being said I find it really hard to read Venmar, and he gives me both scum and town vibes. I was really hoping I could access the meta link he provided as I was confident that would clarify the issue for me.
2) I've had little experience with complex power roles, if any. I've never played a game with Tracker, and I wanted to get my head around how each role would benefit town. Vig's do worry me but tracker seemed somewhat useless to me at first (sort of like an underpowered cop), but I realise now it's subtle effectiveness.
@Andrew94 Not sure why I didn't think of counterclaim + flip, don't know where my head was at. Might have something to do with the fact I was tipsy at the time, lol.
I'm having trouble working out when deadline is with timezones + no actual date given, etc, but from the mods initial votecount it seems to be about 4 days away? Which means Burke isn't going to be back until D2. He may come back before his VL/A ends but that's only a possibility. I'm willing to wait until closer to deadline, but if no other suitable lynch is found, Burke should be it.
DC, you said in your catchup that burke seemed scummy, but you weren't clear. Do you think he is just a loltroll or actually scum?
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