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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:19 am

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In post 224, DoubleJD wrote:I don't care if u were to only post once every three days, so long as we understand where u stand with other players. So far, I know u voted carter and malee...but theres so many other players! If a mass claim were to happen, we would get almost no info about u. Meanwhile ud be able to tell tons about me.

Also ill say this now. I'm trying a more aggressive style this game since I was fairly passive in my last one. I think I may be getting carried away, and I'm pissing everyone off, but the attention and opinions I'm generating about me are good for the town imo.

I'm still not that plussed on what exactly a mass claim gets us. We already know that one of the other people in this game are town, and some of the pairing are more obvious than others, but what does mass claiming do, exactly? We pick the scummiest seeming pair?
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:35 am

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How I see it, is that the combination of reads + partners has the potential to be very powerful and is the reason mafia don't autowin this each game. It's also why a massclaim too early isn't helpful. There should be some cool scenarios that happen from partner interactions too. In addition, if we're lucky the mafia haven't chosen a partner to claim beforehand.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:38 am

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In post 224, DoubleJD wrote:Also ill say this now. I'm trying a more aggressive style this game since I was fairly passive in my last one.

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Seems like slip.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:42 am

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If u think so, why wouldn't u just vote me? Do u have any opinions on anyone btw?

Also yellow gut feels town to me.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:45 am

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In post 228, DoubleJD wrote:If u think so, why wouldn't u just vote me? Do u have any opinions on anyone btw?

Also yellow gut feels town to me.

Stop feeling my guts.

In post 227, Slandaar wrote:
In post 224, DoubleJD wrote:Also ill say this now. I'm trying a more aggressive style this game since I was fairly passive in my last one.

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Seems like slip.

Slandaar, you've seem fairly consistent on your request for TAM and Malee/Hiraki to confirm lovers or not. What would a confirmation or denial mean for you, respectively?
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:55 am

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In post 228, DoubleJD wrote:If u think so, why wouldn't u just vote me? Do u have any opinions on anyone btw?

Yes thanks.
In post 229, yellowbounder wrote:
Slandaar, you've seem fairly consistent on your request for TAM and Malee/Hiraki to confirm lovers or not. What would a confirmation or denial mean for you, respectively?

I am not going to let them know that ahead of time.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:09 am

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In post 213, Arugula wrote:Gah you reacted well to pressure.
UNVOTE: DoubleJD
And you bring up a good point about reads.
And since the Amished tell no longer applies.

I don't see anything wrong with Jal ATM.



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what is this about? How did he react well to pressure? Were you expecting a different response if he was scum than if he were town or something? #SorryForTheGrammarAtrocity
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:18 am

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In post 220, Slandaar wrote:TAM and Malee/Hiraki are claiming if they are lovers together or not.

End of 'Discussion'

Bridges: the wiki is not to be followed religiously.


Hey Slandaar,

I'm not following the wiki religiously. I have my reasons, which I will not discuss, why waiting for a mass-claim is beneficial. I also have reasons why a partial-claim is not worth it and we should either do all out claim or not. Again, I'm not revealing those reasons as they are hypothetical tells that scum would commit... so spelling them out ruins the whole thing. I imagine you have similar thoughts about Malee/Hiraki + TAM.

Ideally we'd have about 5 more pages on info, and info from all the lurkers before claiming, but whatevas, I'm curious to see your thoughts.


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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:41 am

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Fucking hell. Hiraki, stop following me in every game. I've asked you multiple times to never play in a game with me again. Grow up and stop following me. I'm not playing in another game with this idiot, and I probably don't have enough time for this game anyway.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:35 am

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Oh good, we lost charter and gained Hiraki.

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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:49 am

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Oh yes.

Thank god for Firefox.

Almost lost my first reply.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:50 am

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searching for a replacement for charter
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:23 pm

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You little shit.

I replace into games because I know that it's a bit annoying for mods. I barely ever check the playlist--something I should do for the opposite of this case(as in avoiding people I don't like.) And besides if you
really never wanted to play with me again
maybe you should've made sure I read it as in PMing me about it? But I understand, you're so awesome that you couldn't contain your rage if you did.

In addition, you're just butthurt because everytime you've read me it's been wrong and you barely post/read/care about games so I'm glad that I'm making you leave them. See? I can be an asshole too.

Guess it's my fault though that you're mad though. #annoyed

alright, here we go though after that dilemma.

Arugula wrote:
Stop constantly asking people to respond to your questions. When they see the thread, they will. If they are lurking, call them out on it.
Why did you feel the need to change your vote here for this on Page 1?

Arugula wrote:But you seem too eager to make it look like you are scumhunting.
But this is page one.

How can someone seem too eager on Page 1?

Maybe if he continues doing this shit onto Page 10 he might look a
little
suspicious, but nothing that you should be pointing and screaming about.

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Everyone votes him in their next post or explains why they think the guy who wanted an exact start time is lurking through the game hardcore.
This is a good reaction test.

Please make sure you keep it a reaction test.

yellowbounder wrote:Let's not be so twitchy, eh? I admit, people could be posting a bit more, not naming any names, but now is not the time for a lurker wagon.
That's scum.

Slandaar wrote:The important bit is; nothing in the three days has really happened. So he as scum came in got the vote down early then decides to lurk till something happens... its safe scumplay.
If you don't punish this type of play all that happens is the town post early get into a war and beat each other up then the scum enter a little later and join the party.
I thought you were better than this.

Perhaps he just wanted to know? Perhaps he had to do something that might interfere with his play for a few days?

I mean, there's nothing scummy about this(yellow is scummiest atm) but it's definitely not good scumhunting.

In post 101, GreyICE wrote:#43 and #45 are posts that any sane town would hang you for.

Gnight.
Not really...?

TAM wrote:
1. I believe you will find in my most recent newbie game (which is ongoing so I can't discuss) that exact scenario.
Can you give a recent game that's preferably not newbie? Also, a newbie game that shows it doesn't give much credibility...

Also, Arugula and TAM makes both null. Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them.

BridgesandBalloons wrote:I don't believe that The Acting Method believes this is true. It's a pretty big logical fallacy. We don't know that Charter and him aren't scum together, busing is a very good tactic in Polygamist, as long as it doesn't follow through to a lynch. All we know is that Charter and him aren't Lovers.
So what you're saying is that TAM is scum because he made a fallacy?

Um...what?

DoubleJD wrote:Id like for TAM and Malee to claim.

DoubleJD's Profile wrote:Joined : June 16, 2012
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Slandaar wrote:TAM why do you need to see what Hiraki says?

Either you are lovers with Hiraki or you are not.
This I can confirm.

Massclaiming now isn't a bad idea. We should move toward it by the end of today(as in if we have a lynch we should massclaim or at least have most pairs spouting out who they're with)

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What is this.
I agree with this.

You can't say "Oh! The Amished Tell is great! But I'm not going to comment on my predecessor."

That's kind of the only good use of the Amished Tell. Intimidation.

Other than that(as in using the tell for its correct use) it can go kill itself already.

Slandaar wrote:
Bridges: the wiki is not to be followed religiously.
What are you trying to say here? There's no reason to warn him about something that's right in this case.

JD wrote:
Also yellow gut feels town to me.
Oh boy.

We've done it.

2 scum down.

And coming back to Charter. If anyone here feels intimidated by me from Charter's comments(which FFS this guy posted 3 times in the game sputtering decent Chartershit[note the word decent]) GreyICE can put away your thoughts.

(lol h's bckng nto GreyICE. must b scm tgthr)
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:44 pm

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@BAB
I expected DoubleJD to retract his townread on me for attacking him. I've seen scum do that many times, because they don't want to get into an argument with someone they publicly view as town. He didn't and responded with decent logic.

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Impatience can happen on Page 1, (although I think it was more like page 2 or 3). I don't see the problem in calling TAM out on it. I wasn't screaming and hollering for his lynch because it wasn't that strong, but I wasn't going to let it slide either.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:02 pm

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Arugula wrote:I don't see the problem in calling TAM out on it.
There's no problem in calling him out on it.

Saying this:

Arugula wrote:
It seems like you are trying to make it obvious you are scumhunting.


And voting him is bad.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:31 pm

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So, are we all going to sit around and twiddle our thumbs until we get claims going or something? I feel like this game has been stalling a bit.


DoubleJD
: Feel free to answer the questions directed towards you about what's actually happening in this game instead of game play theory and other fluff. You can start with any of the questions I posed to you.

Nyalite
: What are some of your town reads, then?


Arugula
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In post 206, Arugula wrote:Oh. I thought he played in more.

So seeing as his reasoning against Jal is now gone, he doesn't look too good. His other scumreads are poor. Nyalite's scumread is basically because he doesn't like his logic, and Malee's is (although I agree with it) because he has a townread on me.

UNVOTE: Malee
VOTE: DoubleJD[/voye]

A little pressure won't hurt.

P-edit: TAM, could you link me to that game?

TAM's defense of DoubleJD is noted.


In post 213, Arugula wrote:Gah you reacted well to pressure.
UNVOTE: DoubleJD
And you bring up a good point about reads.
And since the Amished tell no longer applies.


:neutral:

He pointed out the probable flaws in your own reads, while not actually substantiating any of his own scum reads which you pointed out were poor. That is reacting well?

In post 238, Arugula wrote:@BAB
I expected DoubleJD to retract his townread on me for attacking him. I've seen scum do that many times, because they don't want to get into an argument with someone they publicly view as town. He didn't and responded with decent logic.


Why would scum even want to change their recent town read based on that, anyway? It would cause more controversy and their reads would look fake as hell. His lack of retracting his read on you is quite the nothing tell, and you know it.

Anyhow, when I have some more time later tonight I'm going to get some reads out.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:32 pm

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Salamence20 replaces charter. Thanks!
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:35 pm

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Unfortunately, I can't give another recent game featuring that situation, Actually possibly the other open I'm currently in (again it's ongoing so I can't really discuss it.) However most of my site games have been lost to the crash (except I think I have two complete ones and one that I had a half of left.) I'm not so much of a questions asker on my other site. In fact Grey, I can give you plenty of instances As both town and Mafia on my old site where my behavior is pretty much as exhibited in this game. (Well similar too.)
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:36 pm

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VOTE COUNT 1.10


The Acting Method (2): Nyalite, BridgesandBaloons (L-5)
DoubleJD (2): Jal, GreyICE (L-5)
Hiraki (2): Slandaar, Salamence20 (L-5)
Jal (2): SnakePlissken, DoubleJD (L-5)
SnakePlissken (1): The Acting Method (L-6)
Yellowbounder (1): Hiraki (L-6)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Fun fact: I will be out of town most of the day on July 10th, but will be back the morning of the 11th. Just thought you should know.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:58 pm

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Hello everyone. I'm going to read and post tonight, thanks.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:35 pm

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I'm sure Hiraki and jD are town. Charter post made me lol, people are so whiny. Give me more time.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:40 pm

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In post 245, Salamence20 wrote:I'm sure Hiraki and jD are town. Charter post made me lol, people are so whiny. Give me more time.


I understand you have a lot to catch up on, but can you please explain these town reads?
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:42 pm

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Wagons suck, time for a change up. I doubt anyone is gonna vote jal or nyal, and im ignoring all of malee's posts now because i cant discern what i can use.

UNVOTE: jal
VOTE: snakeplissken

I want people to post reads, lurkers bad, yatta yatta yatta ive said it before.

@jal: I thought fennin was scummy because........i misread the thread :oops:. I completely didnt see this whole cheating thing until way after my little tirade against you and nyal. Your other questions are silly.

Although, my posts have not been fluff, and youre echoing a lot of what im trying to get people to say. So :p
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:52 pm

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Salamance wrote:I'm sure Hiraki and jD are town.
Explain now.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:00 pm

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In post 247, DoubleJD wrote:Wagons suck, time for a change up. I doubt anyone is gonna vote jal or nyal, and im ignoring all of malee's posts now because i cant discern what i can use.

UNVOTE: jal
VOTE: snakeplissken

I want people to post reads, lurkers bad, yatta yatta yatta ive said it before.

@jal: I thought fennin was scummy because........i misread the thread :oops:. I completely didnt see this whole cheating thing until way after my little tirade against you and nyal. Your other questions are silly.

Although, my posts have not been fluff, and youre echoing a lot of what im trying to get people to say. So :p


Why are voting for someone who isn't even here. We have proved that votes on "lurkers" don't work, TAM already has his vote on snake. If that was going to do anything, it would have nor will one more vote change it.

More importantly though, your reaction to Jal's attack on you is awful. First your OMGUS Jal saying she is just finding an excuse to vote you. Then you try to ignore it, or make up non-sense. Now you are just saying. Oh it was an accident. Please ignore it.

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VOTE: JJD

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