Mini 1355 - SPACE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[shos]

confirmed

VOTE: Roflcopter
For making me laugh a lot while reading the last day of mini 1337.

vote: angrypidgeon

omgus for reminding me of that awful, awful endgame

wagon ho!

unvote, vote: tangion

unvote, vote: bitmap

got a live one

told you i got a live one

i'm providing something perfectly useful. i caught you.

was bitmap ever actually at l-1? i missed that with all the wallposts.

nah i'm totally happy with my bitmap vote. too many people making the "he's a nub" excuse for him.

bitmap keeps making terrible excuses. lynch it.

how is calling for a lynch active lurking or fence sitting?

bitmap is this your first game on mafiascum.net?

cooldog and bitmap are probably scum together

arugula is town. obvious scum led counterwagon is obvious.

thanks for claiming scum tangion

succinctness is pro-town

arugula is making all sorts of sense.

cooldog and to a lesser extent shos seem to be ignoring the obvious and playing dumb on purpose.

ok shos, explain how what i've been doing does not qualify as playing.

and cooldog, unjustified comments are still content. i'm interacting with people and making my positions known. thats the opposite of active lurking.

man look how easy it is to read my iso, thats awesome. i love myself.

please explain how i am "cracking under his pressure"

then please explain how applying pressure til someone cracks makes the person applying pressure town

you didn't actually respond to either of my requests

ok cooldog, i'm just going to start ignoring your stupidity because the way you continue to harp on this point is creating a major distraction from the game and it seems like that is your actual purpose here

inte, you didn't actually answer the second either. "he feels genuine" is a copout. is it not possible for scum to apply pressure til someone cracks? isn't making town crack a good way to get into a position to lynch them?

yes, and? that means that I think they are both scums, it doesn't say that I think rofl is scum BECAUSE he is voting bitmap.

[shos]

oh shit lol, I was quoting rofl's ISO to show how he hasn't done anything rea through the game =\ didn't mean for that lol. ignore all the quotes, they are supposed to be in another message lol

[AngryPidgeon]

now you also bolded what I wrote at the end there - what do you want to say about that? I don't even see anything questionable in that sentence~

That was some evidence of you expressing interest in voting me but revoking it. you had an early game interest in voting me but took it back once you found a softer target.

[AngryPidgeon]

that bolded part is not opinion, it's sarcasm about Murphy's law.

Calling bullshit on this

[shos]

now you also bolded what I wrote at the end there - what do you want to say about that? I don't even see anything questionable in that sentence~

That was some evidence of you expressing interest in voting me but revoking it. you had an early game interest in voting me but took it back once you found a softer target.

you do understand that rofl is also accused of having ignored completely the fact he was a newb and being too fast and furious, right? I never took it back, also.

that bolded part is not opinion, it's sarcasm about Murphy's law.

Calling bullshit on this

look at the example I gave, it's practically the same, don't start mudslinginf.

[shos]

Spoiler: quotes of people asking rofl for info

@rofl:
make a list of quotes for your reasons please

@copter:
for fuck's sake, PLEASE cooperate. fuck this, even if you think *I* am scum, TELL ME FREKIN WHY.

unvote, vote: bitmap

got a live one

Care to explain your vote?

roflcopter do something useful

cooldog and bitmap are probably scum together

Okay, why?

arugula is town. obvious scum led counterwagon is obvious.

okay, why?

thanks for claiming scum tangion

okay, why?

if he is not scum he seems like a good lynch

for anyone who missed it, this is outrageously scummy

unvote, vote: tangion

bitmap is still probable scum but tangion is a sure thing

Okay, why?

Rofl has not justified any of his statements this entire game. Period. That is NOT content, and that IS active lurking, intentional or not.

How is rofl supposed to answer? easily! if his thoughts are real, then SAY THEM OUT LOUD. if you think he is town, why? because he's a counterwagon led by scum? ok. if you think he's a counterwagon led by scum, why? what made you come to that conclusion?
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@rofl: you're going to start playing. if you don't, I'm gonna policy lynch your butt with hot peppers till you cry

[Arugula]

What does that prove?

[AngryPidgeon]

Shos is scum. He has to be. If its not Shos its definitely Tangion.

[Konowa]

The biggest point coming out of all of this, is that it seems that shos is voting rofl due to playstyle more than anything else. However, if you put on shos' rose colored lenses, the question now is why is he not harping on Tangion and Hiraki?

Regarding "Computer" - OMGUS. I do not see "Computer" being controlled by town.

[ChaosOmega]

Don't like the roflcopter votes, still getting a fairly solid town read on him.

As for the Bitmap lynch, I'm gonna go off the assumption that at least one scum would stay off the wagon of a townie D1 to look innocent. Assuming this, there exists at least one scum in Tangion, CooLDoG, Hiraki, Konowa, and RachMarie.

RachMarie is the easiest to start with, she just hasn't posted much at all. The first Computer vote was right after one of her posts, and it's hard not to see a correlation there. I went through and

stalked her

checked her post history, and she was online for the second Computer vote, and that coupled with the inactivity of both Computer and RachMarie D1 makes me think almost 100% RachMarie controls the Computer.

I do not see "Computer" being controlled by town.

Well that leads right into where I'm going with this. This is in the opening theme setup for the game:

Unfortunately, all our equipment has been sabotaged.

If everything on the ship is sabotaged, that would probably include the Computer as well. So assuming RachMarie controls the Computer, she controls a vote from something described as sabotaged by Outsiders? I know a lot of this is setup spec, but I don't see the Computer being controlled by anyone but RachMarie, and I don't see the Computer being pro-town.

unvote, vote: RachMarie

From my reread, I get pro-town vibes from Konowa, but everyone not covered on my mini-list is a lot of meh right now, not sure one way or the other. Both CooLDoG and Hiraki bring up multiple times that they believe Bitmap will flip town, which is a favorable position for scum to take, since they've demonstrated pro-town behavior.

Wow, this catch-up post took a while, and I'm not even done. I need to catch-up in other games, will post tomorrow. But I don't really see any feasible way RachMarie is pro-town.

[Konowa]

I do not know if I can buy into that. "If" Rach controls "Computer", why would she have it vote me?
A bunch of Bordeaux, I realize.

Honestly, I think scum are playing this smart and trying to pin this "Computer" stuff on Rach. Basing these votes off of setup speculation is pure scumminess.

[roflcopter]

i have a strange theory right now that i'd like to test.

"computer"

now no one else say that word til the next time the mod is on.

in other weird news, it would be extremely helpful if one and only one vanilla townie would claim right now.

the walls of quotes from shos prove absolutely nothing and are just useless filler

[RachMarie]

I am VT

[Hiraki]

Do you have anything relevant to say about this game other than a claim?

[RachMarie]

@ Rolf

What do you expect to happen, to be honest I still don't get this player who is not on the list of players but can vote thing. I have mostly been in Newbie and Open games.

Pedit

Not yet still going through the posts. Today has been a real humdinger with my roomie hitting my bf NS and us calling the cops on him.

[BBmolla]

Votecount 2.05

shos - 4 - roflcopter, Konowa, AngryPidgeon, Arugula
roflcopter - 3 - shos, CooLDoG, Tangoin
RachMarie - 3 - Hiraki, inte, ChaosOmega
Konowa - 1 - Computer

Not Voting - RachMarie

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline - (expired on 2012-08-03 19:45:00)

[roflcopter]

ok, that confirms the computer is controlled by a player.

i thought it might be possible to draw the computers attention (and vote) just by mentioning it, because the first computer vote on me came shortly after i did so and the computer's vote switch to konowa was shortly after he started talking about it, but obviously this isn't the case.

and we're not lynching rachmarie thank you very much

@rach, theme games can have some pretty strange mechanics, a non player entity voting is pretty tame compared to some. it seems like someone is just a secret doublevoter.

[Hiraki]

Today has been a real humdinger with my roomie hitting my bf NS and us calling the cops on him.

Ahh.

Guess I should check out that thread now bahaha

and we're not lynching rachmarie thank you very much

You of all people are not making orders around here, thank you very much.

[AngryPidgeon]

I could go for a chaos wagon. This rachmarie wagon is bogus. CO.s last post is scummy and he should feel scummy. Rofl is town.

on phone. Will quote wall later.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: Shos

Dear god. I can't wait to get home for this vote.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Pushing afk rachmarie and assuming she controls computer and assuming computer is scum. CO is scum. Also, you narrowed down a scum to 5 players? Wooooo

[shos]

lol angry I really don't get you.

may I please know how the fuck and why did rofl just make rach claim unnecessarily? what did we gain from that, and how comes rofl still avoids all questions towards him and yet people still answer everything he says?

[shos]

and how the hell did nobody say anything about this so far?!?!

[shos]

also, before I go to work, rach, you should read up and comment ASAP, your lack of existence is doing very bad

[CooLDoG]

Cooldog, why are you voting rofl again?

1) no content/active lurking
2) scummy hop on bitmap wagon
3) no justifications for any vote, ever.

hey guys

im really confused how anyone has a town read on roflcopter

he really has been trying to hide his intentions the whole game

*nods* this is true.

I am having a hard time reading coolDog. He made some intelligent posts and some really dumb ones.

Like:

vote: Arugula
You said people would be insane to hammer, yet you also say that the pressure of a hammer being close would generate the pressure that you needed to get reactions. Enjoy.

Terrible logic. Being at L-1 definitely cause people to behave differently. Cooldog should know this.

forget about that defense. Bit is okay with dieing. How is that scum motivated?!?!?!?

Ignores the fact that bitmap's post was WIFOM and gambit. Cooldog should know this.

And his interactions with me in the early day were retarded. He flat out did not remotely care about understanding what I was trying to say and it showed. Scum.

That's how it generally is with me these days. I think I'm right about to transition from being bad at mafia to being below average at mafia.

1, it is not horrible logic when arug says that here isn't any pressure himself. It shows that his intention was not to get information.

Why are you defending arug and rolf?

2, yeah that one was stupid.

Meh you are right, I was the counterwagon to Bitmap, but I don't know why they are choosing rofl over me or you.

Rofl is the weakest for sure. Not saying he is a weak player, but his posting style can easily be construed as scummy. Also he doesn't fight back as much. he won't wall up the thread or quote people and call them stupid.

Note this interaction links all three together.

The biggest point coming out of all of this, is that it seems that shos is voting rofl due to playstyle more than anything else. However, if you put on shos' rose colored lenses, the question now is why is he not harping on Tangion and Hiraki?

Regarding "Computer" - OMGUS. I do not see "Computer" being controlled by town.

this is exactly what is making me second guess my self on my shos town read. I need to think more on this game.

I do not know if I can buy into that. "If" Rach controls "Computer", why would she have it vote me?
A bunch of Bordeaux, I realize.

Honestly, I think scum are playing this smart and trying to pin this "Computer" stuff on Rach. Basing these votes off of setup speculation is pure scumminess.

you can't "pin" it on rach when the mod posts it. See the mod can only check his pms every so often, you can't place his post right after rache's. whole bunch of wifom if you ask me. Except that I agree that computer isn't town. Again, making me second guess myself.

I am VT

did I just see a scum claim?

anrgy's newest post feels off. Gut reads!

[Konowa]

Rach wagon is bad and needs to stop.

Chaos' 584 is really contrived and worded to look like is doing something. Saying that at least one scum would want to stay off of Bitmap lynch, which leads to PlayerList [x,y,z], and then going on Rach about set-up speculation. Nah, not buying it.

unvote;
Vote: ChaosOmega

shos still needs to hang, but I want to see where this goes.

Chaos why did you only mention people off of the wagon? Would it not be just as easy to say that at least one scum would want to be on Bitmap lynch because of who bad he played?

CoolDog, what I mean by "pin", is that an active, smart scum is probably waiting for Rach to be online and then send while she is online, so they can cross-reference like Chaos just did. What are your thoughts on Chaos?