But before I start, I want to bold this statement.Everyone needs to stop bringing up bad “low hanging fruit” arguments to defend themselves from suspicion. You are not getting any sympathy from me.This is my second SECOND game of Mafia on Mafiascum. The first being Newbie 1864, in which I was scum, and won. Go check it out if you want meta on me, and I will answer any questions you have pertaining to my play. This is what a responsible player is going to do in this game. Address concerns against them and, if town, will help redirect suspicions towards those who are actually scummy. I’m not going to fall to my knees and plead for mercy because I’m “low hanging fruit”. If I get heat on me, I suck it up and fight back as best as I can. That’s what you should all be doing too. Not falling back on “Sniffle, I’m just a newb and you’re picking on me! Sniffle sniffle”.
let's cut through the chaff.
as far I know I am the only one who brought up the low hanging fruit argument and that was not to defend myself but to say that I think it is scummy to do that and that it is also just good scum strategy to go after the people you think are the easiest to lynch and on d1 newer people tend to attract more attention. I have had to pull people off the newbs and more often than not the ones who lean the hardest and make them meltdown and out their role are usally scum so yes, I see it a scum special hunting tactic. my method of scum hunting is to point out scummy behaviour.
In post 321, Smashbard wrote:Looked really antitown in the beginning trying to be Hiraki Jr, but Post 79 pretty much summed up why he was I understand why Eleison doesn’t want to share town reads, it makes sense if you are playing this game on your own and don’t know who you can or cannot trust. But I will say that I do not share that philosophy, as openly stating reads of who you think is town/scum is crucial in the early going as it helps us identify connections between players based off of flips that happen later.
I think there is at least one opportunistic scum on the Eleison wagon at this time taking advantage of an easy situation because it’s so simple to just say “He’s hiding information, must be scum!”. Or the much more ridiculous “He agrees with Mae, he must be scum!”. Unless you have a scumread on Mae, you can’t accurately say that Eleison is scummy for agreeing with him.
Post #147 definitely exposes Telo as scummier than most. More on that in the Telo ISO.
Posts #263 and #269 utterly annihilates Shinori’s case against him based on meta. So this, more than anything, solidifies my read on Eleison.
Read at this time: So Town he might as well be a metropolis.
I agree with a town read on eleison but for entirely different reasons. I maintain his teammates would be either beating him up or bussing him relentlessly and I am not getting that. his play is coming off of as not being familiar with working as a team rather than scummy based.
[/quote]EvilPacman:
I had a pretty solid read as Town for EvilPacman in the beginning as he was active, similar demeanor from his most recent town games and was able to answer my questions quickly and effectively. Post #78 is bad. Seems like he was trying to backtrack into going “Oh by the way, theo is scummy”. Probably leaning more null than scum on that, but it reads bad. He says he’s conservative with his vote, but he goes very quickly from not feeling Theo is scummier than Jun, to voting for him based on very little pushing from Hiraki, to unvoting him again and going back to Jun. Since then he’s went nearly a hundred posts without saying a thing of value. Which has really shaken my early town read on him.
Read at this time: Null leaning Scum that’s focusing too hard on early RVS play by Jun.
I have read his posts in isolation and I am leaning neutral to town, there is town motivation in his posts. I think he is trolley tracking, to use a familiar equivalent to his term "tunneling". also why are you saying he has written a hundred posts since then cos he hasn't.
what else do you got.
one of the things that I always find hard to do is to tune out town noise.
and what do you think of jun. would you consider triangulating with her?
shinori and the moaner are on my list and I think mcstab is too. he is going after dividizzle for the most tenuous of reasons where there is meat in the game thread to really sink one's teeth into. I am only leaving hiraki alone cos slandaar has a town read on him but tbh, IMO hiraki is taking a back seat and that makes me sus. hiraki should be grabbing the ball and he isn't and he is also being sticky with his vote while pushing for a deadline. I don't buy his lazy town comment that struck me as scummy.
