micro 38: 7p micro normal

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1) How do you feel about random questions vs. random votes?
Prefer random votes
2) How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck was Chuck Norris?
All of it
3) Do you feel confident that your faction will win this game?
No
4) Are you nervous right now?
No
5) Istanbul or Constantinople?
No opinion
6) Please describe your style of play. Do you prefer logic or gut?
Gut
7) What is the difference between a pear and an apricot?
Genetics

Vote: Kim

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How many games has everyone played?

I've no idea.

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How many games has everyone played?

I've no idea.

Slightly less than 400 if my "View this player's topics" is anything to go by.

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Thats every topic you've ever posted in.

But yeah, you've still played quite a ton. I don't really blame you for not keeping track.

I didn't really use "View this player's post" I used the search function and limited it to posts in the Mafia Forums (that still includes Queue threads though.)

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Not voted because, hell I dunno why.

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@Emp - Robo looks like town to me - agree/disagree?

Townier than null.

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He's an alt, Majiffy.

Yeah but what could be more stupid than making a playing alt that everyone already knows is you?

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t I could be mistaken and the meta could have changed since I last played.

It hasn't; or at least not in that direction.

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Wanna hear more from Emp and Batt

I've nothing more to say. Is there something wierd about TUG's avatar that makes it difficult to digest the thread or is it just me?

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Batt: Thoughts on the subject of Robo and TUG being scum together?

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I find his suggestive post to Battousi to be somewhat suspicious. He says very little, then prods Battousi to firm up a suspicion without casting a vote there himself.

Why is that suspicious? I saw something that al first glance looked contradictory and asked to see if there was any rigor there (which there was; Batt's pretty strongly scumhunting which in a 7p game makes him close to conftown.)

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By disregarding 1/2 of a playerslot which he (while, albeit not incorrectly) assumes is an asshole based off... what? Nothing?

Both halves have the same alignment.

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And disregarding a half of a player, citing a playstyle tell claiming it to be an alignment tell is "strongly scumhunting"... how?

Those aren't the bits that are strongly scumhunting

*"clearly" woud have been a better word than "strongly" in hindsight.

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Tug:

I find it very possible. Their posts to each other aren't that strong (Robo's actually makes himself look scummier, even though he thinks Thor is scum). Then there's Kimor. If you look at Robo's scumlist, he has him at null, which is a good place to put it for a Thor/Robo scumteam. It leaves the ability to credibly vote Kimor later if others start to agree with Thor's case on him.

This quote looks like the story was thought up before I asked. This suggests pro-active town hunting rather than reactive behavior.

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I don't see an obvious contradiction in Battousi's post regarding the possibility of Robo and TUG being scum together. It still looks to me like you're waltzing in and going, "Hey, Battousi, you know what would be great?", without sticking your neck out and hitching the ponies up to a wagon.

He hadn't said that TUG and Robo were scum together. He voted TUG while saying that the other TUG voter was as scummy. That seems like a contradiction as at first glance they didn't look like possible scumbuddies.

I really don't think asking a player about another pair of players requires me to vote one of the pair.

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I don't see an obvious contradiction in Battousi's post regarding the possibility of Robo and TUG being scum together. It still looks to me like you're waltzing in and going, "Hey, Battousi, you know what would be great?", without sticking your neck out and hitching the ponies up to a wagon.

He hadn't said that TUG and Robo were scum together. He voted TUG while saying that the other TUG voter was as scummy. That seems like a contradiction as at first glance they didn't look like possible scumbuddies.

I rather understated that: "Called TUG scum while calling the other TUG voter also scum" would be a better way of putting it.

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So you wouldn't expect Mafia to vote for one another?

They can but I'd expect them to have a reason to. I didn't see a reason for Roboscum to place a lazy vote on TUGscum.

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So you wouldn't expect Mafia to vote for one another?

They can but I'd expect them to have a reason to. I didn't see a reason for Roboscum to place a lazy vote on TUGscum.

Distancing? Not expecting that TUG will actually get lynched here, but if he does, Robo gains town cred?

I think the vote's too lazy to give enough credit to be worth the lynch.

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So you wouldn't expect Mafia to vote for one another?

They can but I'd expect them to have a reason to. I didn't see a reason for Roboscum to place a lazy vote on TUGscum.

Distancing? Not expecting that TUG will actually get lynched here, but if he does, Robo gains town cred?

I think the vote's too lazy to give enough credit to be worth the lynch.

Do all bussings need to be hard out of the gate?
From what I have seen of them, I would say more often than not they start out slow and if it's a hardbus they will generally bring that out later.

It didn't look like it'd lead to a bus to my eye.

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Beautiful weather we're having, isn't it?

This is probably the scummiest post in the game. It's provocative.

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Beautiful weather we're having, isn't it?

This is probably the scummiest post in the game. It's provocative.

What else do you expect me to do when he asks me to repeat myself 20+ times?

Ignore him.

TUG: I think I have it over from my RVS.

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CD: Top two suspects?

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Though I've still got a town read on Batt the sort of "cursory" vote and suspicion of Robo is outting me off him. Admittedly this is only a scum tell if Robo is scum; something I'd like to check.

Unvote, Vote: Robo

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Though I've still got a town read on Batt the sort of "cursory" vote and suspicion of Robo is outting me off him. Admittedly this is only a scum tell if Robo is scum; something I'd like to check.

Unvote, Vote: Robo

I honestly believe that Batt is town.

I probably wasn't cleaer: I'm talking about Batt's suspicion of you.

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I'd like Kimor to claim.

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So for 4 to lynch cheery, robo/emp- Do you feel your votes are going anywhere and what are your feelings on Cheery Dog?

aAs you said two platers not voting. Robo can go somewhere. CD is essentially null.

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Emp- What about the fact that he tried to hammer Kimor through sheeping?

Even Kimor wanted to hammer Komor. It's scummy but not majorly so.

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Everyone lonely voter should stop it, I think.

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Everyone lonely voter should stop it, I think.

This is making me uneasy, but mostly because I'm unsure if I do actually want my vote where it is currently (which is on the only wagon with more than one vote)

I thought TUG had two? (We should lynch Robo though, so it's solid advice either way.)

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I can neither confirm nor deny that. If Kimor is telling the truth and is the reason why scum haven't got a kill then that sounds like CD and AV to me who would like things to carry on unchanged. Any thoughts on Massclaim?

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Vote: No Lynch

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Mass claim?

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VT
AV

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Scum tried to kill me N1 so it's a fair watch.

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I think the fact that people are ignoring Kimor's reads is very telling. It shows us that scum were not only killing him for his guaranteed PR (which is obvious since they went fishing in waters on N1 for a different PR) but also to shut him up. The two scummiest players are the same as yesterday: AV & CD.

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Why didn't AV/CD kill him N1 then?

I know I didn't know his strength of feelings D1 toewards you. I expect the two of you were in the same state of ignorance as me.

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. Is there any good reason for scum not to kill a claimed PR that blocks kills in a small game?

In case there's a Watcher?

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If Batt was town then I'd've scum to try and quicklynch me (or at least not vote Batt)

I'll

Vote: Batt