Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over

[TheButtonmen]

Alright mostly caught up.

Given we're less then 3 days out of deadline I'm not terribly against a Maenara lynch but given Shinori's latest post I think I'd prefer to lynch him.

Unvote; Vote: Shinori

Go go go wagon swap!

[mykonian]

votecount

maenara (6): jun, eleison, NJAC, dividizzle, shinori, qwints
jun (4): smashbard, theomoaner, combinatorialEnigma, 10506670
shinori (3): buldermar, hiraki, Thebuttonmen
dividizzle (1): maenara

not voting (0):

With 14 players it is 8 to lynch (7 to no lynch)

Deadline is on the 13th of october

[Maenara]

Ugh, fine, nobody cares about Dividizzle.

Lynch him and Enigma if I die at night, please.

UNVOTE: Dividizzle
VOTE: Jun

Also obvscum.

[TheButtonmen]

Explain?

[NJAC]

Reading now, be posting some responses to questions some of you did.

[Maenara]

I don't know why nobody joined it.

Oh, you mean the Jun thing?

Keeps going back to voting for lurkers. Starts his very first post by throwing FOSes at people but still only does a "random" vote. Until his 32th post, only mentions Dividizzle in terms of "Could be lurking scum, need him to post more", but still puts him in his "leaning town" pile. Makes sure to mention Hiraki every time he mentions Dividizzle, to tie together their status. Been bussing Enigma for a long time while said player wasn't under fire, in order to firmly cement his own rep, should Enigma be lynched.

They're so obviously a scum-team. Do you want me to do it on a post-by-post basis?

[buldermar]

^ What if Maenara flips scum?

I've not seriously entertained this idea as I find it unlikely and thus not as worthy of my time relative to the implications of other (in my opinion) more likely scenarios. If Maenara flips scum, I'd have to reconsider a lot of my reads in this game.

[buldermar]

Buldermar, could you please point out your defense of Maenara - all I can see is that you said you thought the case on her being opportunistic was thin, and that you thought it was more important to have a long day 2 than day 1.

qwints, have you forgotten my case for Shinori being a much more useful lynch? I know it was a lot of posts ago, but it did make you switch your vote from Maenara to Shinori initially. I'll find the posts if necessary, but I'd rather not.

[qwints]

Dammit Maenara, you keep throwing off my reads.

UNVOTE: Maenara while I review.

Buldermar, I don't think someone saying "this a more useful lynch" is saying that the other lynch is a bad lynch.

[dividizzle]

@Thebuttonmen: what do you find so suspicious about Shinori's last post?

[buldermar]

Dammit Maenara, you keep throwing off my reads.

UNVOTE: Maenara while I review.

Buldermar, I don't think someone saying "this a more useful lynch" is saying that the other lynch is a bad lynch.

Maybe not bad in comparison to lynching a person picked at random, but bad in comparison to lynching Shinori.

What is it that you hope to gain from a town-Maenara lynch scenario? This is much more crucial than what you expect to gain from a scum-Maenara lynch scenario, because even if she is the most likely person to be scum (I don't think she is, but it sounds like you do), she is still far more likely to be town than scum (I hope we can agree on this; claiming that any one person is even close to 50% to being scum at this point is outrageous). In other words, the implications of a town-Maenara lynch scenario should be weighed higher than the implications of a scum-Maenara lynch scenario, because the former scenario is far more likely than the latter. In comparison, I think Shinori flipping town actually yields much useful information (in addition to him having a higher than avarage chance of flipping scum imo).

[qwints]

I'm focusing on lynching who I think is scummiest rather than trying to focus on who generates the most information. I'm surprised that you and Hiraki are defending her so much, and that she jumped on the Jun wagon. I also don't like who else was on the wagon. I'll re-read when I get a chance to try and figure this out.

[Maenara]

I want Dividizzle to give his reads on Jun and Enigma.

I want Enigma to give his reads on Jun and Dividizzle.

I want Jun to give his reads on Dividizzle and Enigma.

Thank ye.

[combinatorialEnigma]

Jun: obvscum

Div: useless lurker (yeah, yeah, I know I'm being hypocritical by calling out someone else on that), not sure but leaning lurky town.

[qwints]

I really don't like Jun's disappearance at this point. His drop in activity makes me think scum who's happy he can let townies tear themselves apart. He's really content to let others push the Maenara case without sticking his neck out.

VOTE: Jun[/unvote]

[qwints]

EBWOP:

VOTE: Jun

[Maenara]

Jun: obvscum

Div: useless lurker (yeah, yeah, I know I'm being hypocritical by calling out someone else on that), not sure but leaning lurky town.

Is lurking to a grotesque degree, yet answers an hour after I asked?

Definitely scum too. Thanks for cementing my read.

[dividizzle]

i'll take a closer look and let you know later today. Also

@buldemar: Correct me if I"m wrong but you still haven't stated why you think Maeanara is so much more likely to be town than scum (in comparison with others not based on your strange 50% mark)

[combinatorialEnigma]

Jun: obvscum

Div: useless lurker (yeah, yeah, I know I'm being hypocritical by calling out someone else on that), not sure but leaning lurky town.

Is lurking to a grotesque degree, yet answers an hour after I asked?

Definitely scum too. Thanks for cementing my read.

You're welcome!

[Jun]

I want Dividizzle to give his reads on Jun and Enigma.

I want Enigma to give his reads on Jun and Dividizzle.

I want Jun to give his reads on Dividizzle and Enigma.

Thank ye.

Combinatorial Enigma, Maenara, Shinori, and Theomoaner are my top scum reads. Dividizzle is a null read.

[Jun]

Jun: obvscum

Div: useless lurker (yeah, yeah, I know I'm being hypocritical by calling out someone else on that), not sure but leaning lurky town.

Is lurking to a grotesque degree, yet answers an hour after I asked?

Definitely scum too. Thanks for cementing my read.

And if we all agreed with my scum read on combinatorial enigma, why not lynch him instead of me?

[Hiraki]

Look guys. I understood the logic of Maenara, though I didn't agree with it.

Jun is just a stupid lynch. Stop playing games.

[combinatorialEnigma]

What's stupid about a Jun lynch?

[Hiraki]

What isn't? He's a clear newbie through and through.

There's only one reason that I could call him scum and this would be it:

why not lynch him instead of me?

And that's more of a newbtown tell rather than a newbscum tell.

Newbscum would be more defensive and lurkish.

[qwints]

Look at Jun's iso, especially the silence before he became the leading wagon just now, and tell me how much more lurkish he could be today.