Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over

[Smashbard]

Sorry I havent been around. I get 2 days off again tomorrow to finish what I started. I support a Jun lynch. His flip will cement my reads on Shinori, Hiraki and Dividizzle

[mykonian]

votecount

jun (6): smashbard, theomoaner, combinatorialEnigma, 10506670, maenara, qwints
maenara (5): jun, eleison, NJAC, dividizzle, shinori
shinori (3): buldermar, hiraki, Thebuttonmen

not voting (0):

With 14 players it is 8 to lynch (7 to no lynch)

Deadline is on the 13th of october

[NJAC]

They're so obviously a scum-team. Do you want me to do it on a post-by-post basis?

I do want

[buldermar]

I'm focusing on lynching who I think is scummiest rather than trying to focus on who generates the most information.

It's not strictly the one or the other, but solely focusing on who you think is most likely to be scum, completely neglecting what can be derived from knowing that persons true alignment, is a fundamental mistake. That being said, I still consider Shinori far more likely to be scum.

[buldermar]

i'll take a closer look and let you know later today. Also

@buldemar: Correct me if I"m wrong but you still haven't stated why you think Maeanara is so much more likely to be town than scum (in comparison with others not based on your strange 50% mark)

No, you're absolutely right. I have not stated why I think Maenara is much more likely than chance to be town because

I do not think she is much more likely than chance to be town.

I do think, however, that she is much more likely to be town than scum, which is an entirely different matter.

[buldermar]

Well, the Shinori lynch isn't going to happen today, and I'd much rather see Jun lynched than maenara, so:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jun

That's L1 btw.

[NJAC]

FWIW and to make a quick response to a question tossed by someone before: I don't think Jun is scum, and her play is still consistent with her bad town play shown in the early phases of my last game with her. I still think her reasonings are a bit poor but she was determining in our victory in that game the last day.

I still support a Maenara or also a Shinori lynch. I'm not sure about the conections between Maenara and other players, I expect her to flip scum. If she flips town then I'll care about the analysis regarding to her interactions with others and scums pushing her wagon.

[Maenara]

They're so obviously a scum-team. Do you want me to do it on a post-by-post basis?

I do want

Not tonight, then. Tomorrow, peut-être.

Request that the Mod includes exact times with deadline for the purpose of clear understanding.

[theomoaner]

Can we please stop using the newb defence in this game.

And I don't know what a normal setup here is like. I've only played one newbie game on this site (the one with NJAC), but I have had experience on another site playing in C9++ or JK++ setups with no role lists provided...

I'm focusing on lynching who I think is scummiest rather than trying to focus on who generates the most information. I'm surprised that you and Hiraki are defending her so much, and that she jumped on the Jun wagon. I also don't like who else was on the wagon. I'll re-read when I get a chance to try and figure this out.

Why were you surprised that Maenara jumped to the Jun wagon?
Can you also please clarify which wagon you are referring to here?

[qwints]

Because it didn't fit with my read of Maenara, and that's all I'll say about it for the moment. The wagon I referred to was the Maenara wagon - Eleison is the only one I feel good about. Right now I have town reads on the masons, theo and buldermar - and that's about it.

[Hiraki]

Can we please stop using the newb defence in this game.

I'm using newbtells, not newb defense.

Big difference.

[Maenara]

NJAC is using bad one-game meta, though.

[Jun]

I'll claim if someone announces intent to hammer.

Haven't had time to do more iso's, but make sure to look at Maenara, Theomoaner, Combinatorial Enigma, and Hiraki when I flip town. The first 3 are pushing too hard for my mislynch, and I think Hiraki is pushing too hard for my innocence to gain town cred.

[combinatorialEnigma]

If Jun flips town I will eat my hat.

[Hiraki]

NJAC is using bad one-game meta, though.

What do you mean?

[mykonian]

Request that the Mod includes exact times with deadline for the purpose of clear understanding.

request denied. I can actually not look forward far enough to see at what time I'm online. It's likely to be somewhere between the evening and night for me (gmt+1) on that day, but just don't come to close it and you risk nothing

[dividizzle]

@Maenara: I just looked back at Jun's iso and my overall simplified thought is slight scum read. It wouldn't be my favorite choice for a lynch but there are some interesting things to look at. For example, several times he has someone as a town read until they get a certain amount of pressure and then conveniently sees them in a different light (ex. Pirate Mollie and Shinori). Some of his defenses of other people are so blatant though, I do think his flip would provide an interesting lens with which to view previous interactions. I understand what Hiraki is saying that some of his actions that could be construed as scummy are also potentially from a new player. However, I am not desiring to trust Hiraki's reads right now. Now I'm off to read up on combinatorial

[Jun]

If Jun flips town I will eat my hat.

Get ready to start eating. I want this guy lynched tomorrow if I get hammered today. He was my biggest scum read until I switched to Maenara since his train wasn't gaining traction. Maenara and everyone agrees that he seems really scummy, yet nobody wants to vote him with me. Interesting.

Scum. Scum. Scum.

[Jun]

d Shinori). Some of his defenses of other people are so blatant though, I do think his flip would provide an interesting lens with which to view previous interactions. I understand what Hiraki is saying that some of his actions that coul

Can anyone who says that my flip provides information tell me what information my town flip or scum flip provides? I'm very curious to know.

[combinatorialEnigma]

If Jun flips town I will eat my hat.

Get ready to start eating. I want this guy lynched tomorrow if I get hammered today. He was my biggest scum read until I switched to Maenara since his train wasn't gaining traction. Maenara and everyone agrees that he seems really scummy, yet nobody wants to vote him with me. Interesting.

Scum. Scum. Scum.

Hmmm... Would red wine or white wine go better with a hat?

[dividizzle]

My read on combinatorial is less developed. First impression is leaning town. I'm not quite clear (perhaps because I just finished reading his iso) where his case on Jun becomes so intense. He seems very certain at this point but that surprises me a bit. Other than that, his early posts struck me as quite town, though since then not as much. Still probably leaning town and I would definitely advocate a Jun lynch over a combinatorial lynch.

[dividizzle]

Sorry for the double post but that last sentence is slightly misleading as I would obviously still prefer a Maenara lynch and probably even a Hiraki lynch over a Jun lynch. But a Jun lynch moreso than a combinatorial lynch.

[10506670]

I think I understand lurking now that I'm actually doing it.

I'm spiralling back into depression, and I'm sure some of the younger players on this site have frequent experiences with this (I did at least). When you aren't feeling well you just don't want to post.

I'm not finding Rubik scummy at all, but he hasn't said anything that I paid much attention to anyways. I'm down for a Jun lynch.

[Shinori]

Gut has me thinking jun is town and scum is maenara/Buldermar, sadly i don't have any real evidence to that off the top of my head. Just partially gut ;/

[TheButtonmen]

Lynch Shinori people.

Look at that post then look at his last one. He's trying to coast out the wagon on him and you're all playing along.