In post 1249, Maenara wrote:I am angry about it because it's a kind of information that I feel has no place in a game of forum mafia. Body language influences your perception of people massively, and if you want to dispute that, I think there are a few psychologists, neurologists, anthropologists and so on that would like a word with you. It doesn't "tie into" any theory; it's just a shitty thing to do.
But since body language is more difficult than forum posts to construct a pre-vetted message with, and is arguably the best face-to-face tell, using a video post in forum mafia is putting yourself at a disadvantage.
I have the right to be stupid.
"Pro-town - the new anti-town behavior." ~buldermar
I won't be party to a lynch that's main basis is an argument over the rules of the site. Tell me Maenara is Mafia who believes there are two kills that have been prevented? I buy that. Tell me he's scum because he presumably is trying to get a guy modkilled pages after the Mod has already made their ruling? I'm not down with that.
Vote: Enigma
I'm sticking with this lynch until somebody has concrete proof that scum lies elsewhere. If you want to lynch someone else you'll have to do it without me or give me some indisputable proof to think otherwise.
Yes that officially means I'm disregarding everything I said last night and sticking with the only official scumslip I have. That's proof to me. Regardless of how much Buldermar is trying to talk us out of it.
And before someone goes "Derp derp, why do you think Enigma is scum again?" I'll elaborate for you. He said that if Jun flips town he'll eat his hat. And for the past week has now been taunting us about how he's going to eat his hat once Jun flips town.
This tells me that he knows how Jun will flip. The only person who should know that kind of information at this point is Scum. And I'm not doubting that fact anymore.
I originally switched my vote because I trust Theo and Buldermar. But at this point I've been on the same lynch wagons as both of these gentlemen and we haven't caught scum once. I have to seriously reevaluate who I trust in this game. I wish Elieson was here.
In post 1246, Jun wrote:Since cult has been ruled out, I still feel like we should lynch CE. Like someone said, he's trying to make a joke and make light of a very serious scumslip he had earlier. I would suspect that buldermar is scum with CE due to defending him in #1225 by emphasizing how CE's behavior was just a joke. So antitown to have scum knowledge about what I would flip and joke about it like CE did. Why are we not lynching him!!!!? What does a maenara lynch tell us?
A CE lynch hits the most probable scum AND tells us if buldermar is also likely to be scum or not.
I will murder the next person who complains about tone, meaness, sportsmanship, rule breaking or anything else not related to the game with a goddamn spoon.
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
In post 1182, Hiraki wrote:Maenara's "bad counting" and comments today. I stand by what I said that I didn't mind the Maenara before. The Maenara now is what I have a problem with.
It's you!
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So stop herpderp railroading lynches and start actually trying to play the game or get lynched.
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
Considering that Maenara has just about bitched for the last two pages about a VIDEO being posted, you should probably screw that head of yours back on.
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
In post 1252, Smashbard wrote:
I'm sticking with this lynch until somebody has concrete proof that scum lies elsewhere. If you want to lynch someone else you'll have to do it without me or give me some indisputable proof to think otherwise.
You are now entering the territory of serious heavy duty rolefishing. If
anyone
claims without pressure now
we lose
. It would provide safe claims, easy counterclaims, provide targets to remove any chance of us surviving MYLO (if we reach that stage) and I doubt it would provide us with any meaningful information.
Power roles are only as much use as the people who have them, I'm not going to go any further with that thought as it may end up getting personal.
Like Elieson's scum catching record is amazing, he was on the Pirate Mollie mislynch wagon, and was a major motivator on the beginning of the Shinori mislynch just because you trust him as town doesn't mean he is a godlike scum catcher who will lead us to victory.
On day 1 I thought you were one of the better players in the town, likely to come up with many interesting points and observations, now though... I dunno, its like you've given up because we have a couple of mislynches.
In post 1246, Jun wrote:Since cult has been ruled out, I still feel like we should lynch CE. Like someone said, he's trying to make a joke and make light of a very serious scumslip he had earlier. I would suspect that buldermar is scum with CE due to defending him in #1225 by emphasizing how CE's behavior was just a joke. So antitown to have scum knowledge about what I would flip and joke about it like CE did. Why are we not lynching him!!!!? What does a maenara lynch tell us?
A CE lynch hits the most probable scum AND tells us if buldermar is also likely to be scum or not.
Also please stop belittling me. It's not sportsmanlike behavior.
Alright Jun. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Read, and read closely:
I only claimed that the hat incident was a joke.
Provide a quote in which I explicitly tried to talk everyone (or just anyone) out of a CE lynch or otherwise claimed that his alignment is town.
You state that I defended him in #1225 by emphasizing how his behavior was just a joke. I disagree - I merely claimed that the hat incident is a joke and not a scumslip, but this is not equivalent to suggesting that he is town. I've not commented on his alignment or suggested that he should not be lynched. My emphasis has been on the manner in which Maenara tried to get him banned.
A CE lynch does not "tell us" if I am scum or not, because I'm in no way tied to the alignment of CE.
I
will
ignore you or display condescending behavior should you continue with your outrageous accusations and fallacious conclusions.
I'd be inclined to agree if we didn't have several likely scum targets or not be at the position of putting ourselves at MYLO if their claim is true. I'd much rather take a chance on Jun, Maenara or possibly CE, though I believe that CE is just a bad player rather than scum.
In post 1271, theomoaner wrote:I'd be inclined to agree if we didn't have several likely scum targets or not be at the position of putting ourselves at MYLO if their claim is true. I'd much rather take a chance on Jun, Maenara or possibly CE, though I believe that CE is just a bad player rather than scum.
The issue is that if we accept the claim and they're scum, it leads to defeat 100% of the time. By lynching one of them we don't lose 100% of the time should the claim be legit. Furthermore, if the claim is not legit, the odds of mislynching by lynching either of the targets you suggest are quite high.
I can see that you're voting Maenara. What scum-permutations would you rule out should Maenara flip scum?
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
Assuming Maenara is not third-party then I have her probable scum-team as TBM and Numbers, the problem is I can't find any sort of link between Maenara and Jun, and Jun is almost certainly scum, though if Maenara is third party... Of course the truth is, as I have said before, I wouldn't rule anyone alive out.
The problem for me with testing the mason claim is this, while I could see Eleison as being scum, I just can't see Smashie as scum. Ok, he lost the plot a little of late, but overall I think he has been solid town. This puts me in an awkward position really, because I accept the logic of what you say, but I don't have any good reason to dispute the claim, on the strength of Smashies towniness.
Also, if we are accepting a three or four man scum team then there are other "non-mason claimed" scum that I feel it may be better to go after first.
Maybe if we get to MYLO and we're going to loose anyway then taking out one of them would be an option, until then I won't be joining a mason wagon.
We've got a week left until deadline, I suggest those of us that are left who actually still give a damn (not sure who that is, other than myself) use the time to investigate, before we start clutching at straws and pursuing avenues of desperation.
