Mafia 54: TGFKA Moses in Egypt - Game over!

[Rosso Carne]

because vaughn is scum.

[Vaughn]

Backpedelled?

I admitted that I'm wagoning, however there was some justification behind each vote.

I've been keeping along with the discussion and great points have been raised as well as countered. The general flow of the game has dictated my vote patterns. You can't expect me to jump out and repeat things that have already been said, and we've discussed in much detail that It'd be pressed to find anything new.

I want to see the case against me, or else I feel that you 4 [armlx, Rosso, M-M, kirby] are trying to deflect attention away from Klebian.

[Rosso Carne]

you got all pissy about 4 votes.

Theresnot a presented case really besides you being scummy.

[ShadowLurker]

There is a presented case against klebian though and scum needs to die.

[Kelly Chen]

Autoprodded: Cogito Ergo Sum

[vikingfan]

I'm not buying Rosso's case here against Vaughn. In any case, I'm happy with the klebian vote right now.

[Yosarian2]

vaughn just backpedalled at 4 votes.

Pretty sure thats a good scumtell.

How did vaughn "backpeddle"?

And when vaughn asked you that, you just said this:

you got all pissy about 4 votes.

Theresnot a presented case really besides you being scummy.

It's a bit ironic, but I think you just backpeddled about vaughn backpeddling.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

All i see is: you think I'm scummy for wagoning.

I was impartial to Twomz, and i'm impartial about Kleb right now.

truth be told, I'm barely following, but I do have some thoughts about players who I think are pro-town. Not much on the scumdar yet, I'm afraid.

Well the TWN seemed bout right, and the connection between Kleb and TWN from Yos.. seems vague at best.

There does seem to be some form of "defense", but I'm not sold on it.

Vote Vaughn for wagonning with lack of reasoning

(and always on wrong wagons too...)

That last part (bolded for emphasis), sounds a lot like a make-shift defense for Kleb.

unvote

because wagon votes lose purpose once you have to explain yourself.

1. So you take no position on either person that you voted? That doesn't seem very protown.

2. You say you have thoughts on who is protown, yet you don't say who those people are?

3. No scumdar = unhelpful

[Vaughn]

1. I obviously got off the fence, or else i wouldn't have voted. I'm simply stating that motivation behind voting for them wasn't solid. (i.e. bandwagoning)

2. My thoughts on protown players: PJ, Thok, and Yos. However, I didn't want to reveal this bit of information because these players generally have great playing style, which makes it difficult to distinguish their behaviour as town or scum. I have noted that they've been keeping a level-headed mind throughout the game. (not rushing to bandwagon, etc.)

Also, i'm wary of this, because without information on our most vocal players, we have no idea which direction they're leading us.

3. No scumdar = no scumdar. Helpfulness isn't something you can throw at me as an attack. How would I help? If you mean catch scum, then how can you, or anyone for that matter, follow my suggestions without knowing my motivation (i.e. alignment).

For all we know, Yos, who seems to be attacking Rosso, could be scum. Sure he's being helpful, but who's he helping?

However, I will add some discussion:

I'm beginning to feel that Klebian may be connected to one of my aggressors. My most likely suspect is Kirby.

You shouldn't confuse helpfulness with cooperation. I'm more than ready to point out discrepancys, as well as answer any questions that you may have.

I only state that I don't have sufficient information to form a conclusive statement about who i think is scum, or which direction I think we should go.

[MrBuddyLee]

That post was bizarre >.>

1) Why not reveal who you think is pro-town?
2) We don't want to hear your suspicions so we can follow you necessarily, we want to establish relationships between you and other players.
3) Why point out the WIFOM behind Yos's helpfulness? It's like the core assumption of the game of Mafia.
4) Why Kirby? Details would be helpful.
5) You say you want to be cooperative. That's not a word I would associate with a proactive town member looking for scum.

Yes, it's early and we don't expect you to have a firm handle on the identities of scum. That's no reason not to boldly trumpet who you think they may be.

[Thok]

2. My thoughts on protown players: PJ, Thok, and Yos. However, I didn't want to reveal this bit of information because these players generally have great playing style, which makes it difficult to distinguish their behaviour as town or scum. I have noted that they've been keeping a level-headed mind throughout the game. (not rushing to bandwagon, etc.)

PJ?

[ShadowLurker]

Unvote: Vote Vaughn

I would be EXTREMELY HAPPY with a kleb lynch or a Vaughn lynch.

[Rosso Carne]

vaughn just backpedalled at 4 votes.

Pretty sure thats a good scumtell.

How did vaughn "backpeddle"?

And when vaughn asked you that, you just said this:

you got all pissy about 4 votes.

Theresnot a presented case really besides you being scummy.

It's a bit ironic, but I think you just backpeddled about vaughn backpeddling.

hunch. =/

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

vaughn, MBL has brought up the points against you that I would also ask you. Plus the fact that you threw in PJ, who isn't even in this game, as a protown player after I had to ask for it, makes me think you're very likely to be scum who just a made a slipup.

[Vaughn]

That post was bizarre >.>

1) Why not reveal who you think is pro-town?

I beleive I stated who I thought was town.

2) We don't want to hear your suspicions so we can follow you necessarily, we want to establish relationships between you and other players.

I could go for an armlx lynch.

3) Why point out the WIFOM behind Yos's helpfulness? It's like the core assumption of the game of Mafia.

To make a point. You stated I wasn't being helpful. I retorted that helpfulness can't be judged objectively.

4) Why Kirby? Details would be helpful.

He was the second one to latch onto me. M-M had a basis for his votes, but Kirby seems like a wagon vote.

5) You say you want to be cooperative. That's not a word I would associate with a proactive town member looking for scum.

To be fair, I did state that I find something fishy with my four aggressors. I don't have any information to back that up, but I will be looking more closely at them.

Surprisingly, I swore I saw PJ make a post in this game. But looking at the player list. I'm mistaken. The most likely place I got PJ's name from is Committee Mafia, because it's the only other game I'm currently in with a similar size and history. Sadly, how I think PJ is protown in Committee doesn't affect our game at all, so please ignore it.

[armlx]

I think Vaughn is defnitely scum, and I'm starting to think Rosso is as well. The way he jumped on the (valid) Vaughn wagon was wierd (specifically how he did it).

[vikingfan]

vaughn mentioning pj even though he's not in it is tipping the scales for me and I don't buy his excuse.

unvote vote vaughn

. I still like klebian, but vaughn ranks higher on my scum-o-meter right now.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Vaughn

[HezLucky]

You guys are misspelling vikingfan.

Names are similar I understand.

[ChannelDelibird]

unvote, vote: Vaughn

"I could go for an armlx lynch".

Yeah, thanks for telling us why.

That and some general 'wtf?' moments.

By the way, VAUGHN IS NOW 2 FROM LYNCH. Just to make it clear to any unobservant players.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Sweet.

Unvote, vote: Vaughn

.

Someone hammah.

[HezLucky]

Yes

Someone hammah so we can lynch them tomorrow for hammahing without waiting for a claim. -_-

[Kelly Chen]

The TWENTIETH Vote Count

9 - Vaughn (Machiavellian-Mafia, armlx, kirbyphreak, Rosso Carne, ShadowLurker, vikingfan, MrBuddyLee, ChannelDelibird, Cogito Ergo Sum)
3 - klebian (BabyJesus, Yosarian2, Thoth)
1 - vikingfan (HezLucky)

not voting: Thok, klebian, ubertimmy, creampuffeater, Vaughn

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch!

[creampuffeater]

I though Rosso will want to hammer I am awaiting a claim from vaughn, because even though I think he is scum, I believe we should let everybody claim before there lynch.

[ShadowLurker]

Pretty sure CPE and Vaughn are mafia and klebian is a werewolf.