Open 449: Switch Mafia (Game Over)

[Jal]

Let's rephrase this.

@Mod: Can scum direct the actions of their scum partners on their behalf?

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 2.01:

Tajun - Jal, Siv
Daumis - Tajun

Not Voting- Jal, Hyperion, havingfitz, Andrew94, Malakittens, Greygnarl, Tajun, Daumis

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and to no-lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2012-11-20 14:54:58), or by 1:55 PM on November 20th, 2012.

Let's rephrase this.

@Mod: Can scum direct the actions of their scum partners on their behalf?

Refer to page 1.

[Jal]

I did. It can be interpreted as one of two ways. WHATEVA. I think it's obvious what you interpreted it as.

[Tajun]

I think the scum screwed up, exceedingly badly, but intentionally. My interpretation is that they left the vig on on purpose, thinking she would target town. In a game with an even number of people, this was a terribad move regardless, made all the more stupid by the fact that they could have sailed to an easy victory if they had not.

You're back to null, mostly because I just cleared two townies, one of whom was near the top of my list, so everyone moves down accordingly. Mostly, I don't see the super town read people have on you and wanted them to question it.

Yeah, I think they decided Daum was a lost cause and didn't want it to look like a bus by rejoining late after the nullish post before.

I don't remember Mala on AJ's scum list, but I'll check that when I get time. A bit busy right now, will post more tonight.

[Hyperion]

Im back and rereading. and stuff.

[Hyperion]

Cop investigate Pota. If he is scum we're screwed.

Jal, how about this?

Possible wifom. GG is new and I dont think has ever been scum. I think this would be a way for him to try to get town cred.

@Tajun

:Also,

But, we do get andrew's town alignment for free as well, since they would not have left the vig on if he was scum. Two free townies is a pretty good deal.

Implies you think scum left the vig on purposely.

You being insulted here though:

1) I am insulted. Not that you think I am scum, but that you think I am stupid enough to leave the vig on.

Implies that you think the scum screwed up. So which do you think happened? To make my opinion clear, I think scum screwed up some.

I dont see why that matters... do you see a potential slip here Jal? Becuase I think you are jumping at nothing.

[Hyperion]

My reads really havent changed all that much.
VOTE: GG
Dont see how he is cleared.

[Voidedmafia]

I also forgot to mention that Mala is V/LA due to Hurricane Sandy. I will probably replace her around Saturday to keep the game flowing if she doesn't post, but keep her in your thoughts for now.

[Malakittens]

Okay. Went 16 miles out of my town to get signal.

GG what buddying of Pota did I do?

Jal really I was busing? I was for a Pota lynch since my first post because I saw a pattern forming with his reads when he was scum to when he was town. I needed to wait until Donner party was finished to confirm it. He tends to buddy a player and call them town and defend them while doing it.

I can't really go back and review because I'm getting a post done in every game I'm in.

When I get back I need to take a look at Andrew because he told me the meta I had on OM was unreliable.

[Jal]

Mala is probably not scum. I know Mala likes to bus (number one scum tell for her) but she just straight up went on Potato. I will double check her meta though. Mala doesn't strike me as the type to screw up and let Auntie kill last night either.

[Jal]

UNVOTE:

[greygnarl]

Early you were palling around. Not much but it rubbed me the wrong way.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

This post looks like it was written by Bitmap to make it look like Om, with the "we" and the last bit. Just odd.

I think this is a scummy thing jal points out, and it gives a feel of closely examining potato's play.

I'm undecided on daumis. Potato does a lot of coaching, which to me is alignment null.

[havingfitz]

Still need to catch up in here. Only initial comment is surprise at vig shot going through. If scum screwed that up maybe they screwed up turning the cop off too. And no...I'm not asking the cop to say anything.

My main suspects atm are probably gg, Tajun and Daumis based on the fact they were on both the Auntie and malpa wagons at their peak.

[andrew94]

Scum could have
1) put cop switch on
2) put vig switch on
3) get doc switch to kill someone
@Jal
i wouldnt clear anyone based on scum not putting on vig switch.


@Jal post 609, Mala was V/la wasnt she?

Pretty sure if I was scum I would've left the vig switch off because it's more likely they hit town. Just sayin.

I understand the switches now anyway. My mistake was that I have more than one game going so things can get mixed up.

the vig switch was left off...
wdf..



actually, back to the Mala 'bussing' Om part, the part where she said
she had meta on OM and therefore OM was scum, is invalid.
How is anyone supposed to defend himself from a meta case?
The case is therefore looks like a fake case that has no substance.
More likely to come from a scumbuddy.

suspects are grey and MAla and Siveure atm

[greygnarl]

Seriously andrew? I'm saying I would've done what the scum did. I'm not saying they screwed up. Seriously get a grip.

fitz: I made the Auntie wagon. It was a policy lynch because the day was going nowhere.

[Malakittens]

Right okay Andrew just went up to a scum read low due to his last post.

OM does meta posts all the time yet people are able to defend. Seemed like he got caught and couldn't defend himself from what was true.


Turns out grabbed wifi right near my job. So I can post here and there until main power is up and running.

Still VLA for about 7 days. Since they are saying 10 days until power is really back.

[Tajun]

Scum could have
1) put cop switch on
2) put vig switch on
3) get doc switch to kill someone
@Jal
i wouldnt clear anyone based on scum not putting on vig switch.


@Jal post 609, Mala was V/la wasnt she?

Pretty sure if I was scum I would've left the vig switch off because it's more likely they hit town. Just sayin.

I understand the switches now anyway. My mistake was that I have more than one game going so things can get mixed up.

the vig switch was left off...
wdf..



actually, back to the Mala 'bussing' Om part, the part where she said
she had meta on OM and therefore OM was scum, is invalid.
How is anyone supposed to defend himself from a meta case?
The case is therefore looks like a fake case that has no substance.
More likely to come from a scumbuddy.

suspects are grey and MAla and Siveure atm

Awesome, town clear #1 suspects town clear #2 and town leaning #1 and #2. This game gives me a bloody headache.
Really though Andrew, I definitely don't think the switch would have been left on if you were scum (fear of death) or if Siv was (because it was soooooo bloody stupid). GG and Mala I suspect are town for other reasons, but fairly strongly.

Right okay Andrew just went up to a scum read low due to his last post.

OM does meta posts all the time yet people are able to defend. Seemed like he got caught and couldn't defend himself from what was true.


Turns out grabbed wifi right near my job. So I can post here and there until main power is up and running.

Still VLA for about 7 days. Since they are saying 10 days until power is really back.

GAHHH! Townies suspecting townies everywhere!

DAUMIS

<---------------- Here is where your focus should be. See my posts 328 and 408. None of these cases have gone away. He is acting like "original" scum, he is on the very short list of people who would have thought it a good idea to leave the vig on, and everybody is giving him a pass for no good reason. He is scum in need of death.

@Jal: Checked AJ's list, you're right about Mala. Suspect her to be town for other reasons though, not sure she would have been afraid of a third place scumread dying.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Hmm, I can support a daumis lynch.

VOTE: Daumis

[Malakittens]

Alright. Just went on Skype to let family know I was okay.

God this is going to be a bitch on a phone.

Alright willing to bet Fritz is town.

Reason for this is post #20. He wasn't aware that Pota was hydra. Game started as a night start and in a QT two people are going to be posting. For him not to know would have meant he was not yet in his QT or totally arrogant. I'm believing neither of this to be true. Next option is it was planted. Since I already know I'm town. This isn't the case.

I'm already leaning towards Jal as town.
Only posts that could make me hesitant on that read was Pota's vote on Jal, but also post #478. Seemed to me that it was a chance that Jal already knew OM was found out and stopped playing.
Other than that I think Jal is practically town.

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As for scum reads:

Siv started the buddying really early. Post #62.
The thing is why would a scum partner actually say I'm sheeping Pota. A reason could be WIFOM.
I looked back to see what reasoning OM gave for voting Malp and it was basically post and post is giving me bad gut vibes.
#64,65 can be possible distancing.
#81 could be asking for possible towncred for stopping a discussion.

Siv is leaning as scum for me.

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Chances are Daum could be scum and it was sacrificial lamb play. Have one scum lead the charge and hope town follows.
Honestly though not sure how true that could be. Right now he's the weakest of my scum reads.

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Tajun:

I been jumping back and forth on Tajun. There's potential scum in some of the posts, but there's been a lot of hunting.

Chance you can link me two current finished scum and town games? Want to meta you a bit.

Read currently pending, but low leaning scum, bit higher than Daum.

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Andrew:

Oringally back and forth for me also. I been fighting with gut a lot this game.
I did skim through his meta for games as scum because something was pinging me off earlier in the game. I did notice though he's acting like he would as town rather than scum. Him saying that my meta was unreliable was discrediting and I didn't really see why town would do that.

Putting Andrew down as null.

Vote:Siv

I'm getting tired and my dads about to shut off the WiFi we have running here.
I know it's not a total read list since I haven't included GG or Hyper.

[greygnarl]

STOP VOTING MY TOWNREADS!

[Tajun]

Afraid I've never played scum, here is a SK link, which was tragically wiped out in near entirety by the crash:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=19666
(I won! )

And, a couple of town, as requested
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=19576
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=19213

Good huntin'.

[Malakittens]

Andrew. What were you referring to when you were talking about me being vLa on post 609?

GG convince me he's town.

[havingfitz]

OK...so going back and catching up from D2 start:

Scum is dumb...not sure how AJ got a shot off but good for her.

Nice job on getting scum D1 even if it does eliminate the chance of the sk hitting scum (but on the bright side...town too).

Possibly the first post Siv has made where I thought "that was a good post."

Post 604 by Daumis feels fake.

Not sure what Siv is talking about in post's 605-606.

Jal's Post 609 is useless speculation. Mala likes to bus but the fact she went after Potato means she's not scum. WTF? And clearing GG because Potato laid a vote on him? Do Om and/or Bitmap like to bus? On that note....

Jal

, how did you know Potato was Om and Bitmap?

@Siv...as long as there is a mafia cop switch still in the game what does it matter whether scum directs the cop to a buddy? Assuming scum use it at least, which apparently is not a sure bet.

Siv's Post 616 seems to overlooking this obvious fact (that mafia can turn the cop off) to clear GG. (Not liking Siv again)

Jal's Post 617 seems to describe exactly what Potato (Om) did wrt GG. So why clear GG?

@Jal...HTF do Potato and andrew's interactions clear andrew? They didn't so much as lay a vote on each other. I'm not saying andrew is scum...I'm just wanting to understand how you are getting that he is town.

@Jal...What do you mean about not letting Siv die?

Annnnnnd in posts 628 and 629 I start to become scum. Nice.

@Tajun...offense taken. I like Tajun's post 646.

@GG....what does your role in the Aunt Jemina wagon have to do with anything? your presence on it at the time she claimed vig is one of the reasons I suspect you. That plus your presence on the malpa wagon. Which...though it got rid of the sk....in the eyes of scum was still a mislynch (ie not on mafia). So scum would have equally been on the malpa wagon as they would have on town fodder. And at the time you restarted the AJ wagon I was still under the impression I was voting her (stringent voting rules aside). Only difference is I began to doubt, and exited, her wagon BEFORE she claimed. Why would you advocate the point your vote on AJ was policy driven? Policy sucks. I have a policy of voting people who push policy lynches.

VOTE: greygnarl

@Mala...why is andrew scummy from his Post 664?

Suspects at this time are GG, Siv, Daumis. I probably suspect Daumis the least of the three but i think his lynch (whether scum or town) would provide good info.

So I'm up for lynching any of the three listed above.

[andrew94]

Andrew. What were you referring to when you were talking about me being vLa on post 609?

GG convince me he's town.

Okay let's go through this.

Mala is probably not scum. I know Mala likes to bus (number one scum tell for her) but she just straight up went on Potato. I will double check her meta though.

Mala doesn't strike me as the type to screw up and let Auntie kill last night either.

Gnarley seems unlikely due to Potato throwing a vote onto him in the last moments of the day. But Om knew Tajun wouldn't vote Grey, so there is that possibility. Hmm

referring to this. you were v/la.

Seriously andrew? I'm saying I would've done what the scum did. I'm not saying they screwed up. Seriously get a grip.

fitz: I made the Auntie wagon. It was a policy lynch because the day was going nowhere.

you would have done what the scum did
scum did it
scum did what you would have done
conclusion: ???

vote daumis