Open 461: True Love (GAME OVER)

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We should all claim lovers after D1 once we get to know everyone individually.

VOTE: Om

I'm surprised Om hasn't outed his lover like last game. HMMMMMMMMMM!

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Pretty sure claiming companion cubes isn't good. We could decide not to lynch a scummy player just because they're paired with somebody good. The fact is, if they're scum it doesn't matter who they're paired with.

I smell someone using my scum meta idea from last True Love game.

VOTE: greygnarl

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22820

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Shh, they might catch on to us.

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EJECT!

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Alright, I like this wagon.

VOTE: Moneybags

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I'm da best.... there is.

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Thanks for clearing things up, Moneybags.

UNVOTE:

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Alright well let me do some of this posting you think I lack.

greygnarl is my cube

, and the post above mine only heightens my suspicions even more. I'm sure he'll deny it though. Discuss.

/headdesk

And this is why we can't have nice things.

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I think Om is scum.

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VOTE: Om

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Grey is flailing so hard.

VOTE: GG

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I'll catch-up tomorrow.

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@CF_Riot: What makes Mala scummy exactly?

I still find gg to be really scummy so I'll leave my vote on him. I'm up for either an Om or gg wagon about now. Josh is a maybe considering how inactive he is.

@Mala: How confident are you on Om scum?

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And terribly sorry for being slow in this game.

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Here ya go. She has since explained her Om read, but not really why she unvoted him. How did you miss this?

Interesting. And why did you not question my quick switch from Om to GG?

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Seriously though, how did you miss it? My conversation with Mala about Om was a good 5 or 6 posts which happened right before you showed up in thread.

I kind of just skimmed for the most part.

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I mean, CF and and Mala doesn't seem really scummy compared to you and gg at this point. CF's accusations on Mala seem town motivated and Mala hasn't done anything really scummy.

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Because I never gave direct reads towards other people.

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I don't mind claiming lovers now.

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Oh hey RBD, it's nice to see you. Knowing RBD, it's probably best not to claim lovers if she has a really good suspicion to not claim lovers.

Also RBD, why Om over GG?

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So I'm trying to still figure out if RBD is scum or not and if she's leading us to a ditch or she's town and leading us to an easy victory. I'm leaning towards a town read on RBD since she seems so certain that her pairing has scum and that she's willing to lynch herself.

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Link to the game?

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Because I never gave direct reads towards other people.

This isn't doing it for me. What made you decide to suddenly give these reads on people you haven't before now? What made you pick Mala and me? This is all aside from the fact that the reads you gave are pretty lukewarm.

Mala's my partner and you came in pretty strong. Uhh, that's about it.

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@KittenBit - Can you guys explain everything that has been said in your QT about the GreyMoney pair? Anything that pretains to either of them.

Mala said that GG might be scum. I said he was flailing hard. Then Mala said GG is scum based on meta. She then said that she doesn't know if I'm town, but she feels GG is scum.

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Alright, I can't imagine Mala really being scum especially after the Om flip. I think the game becomes finding which pair is pure in essence. I'll come up with more content later tonight.

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@RBD: Can you explain how Mala is definite town in your book?

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Find the pure pair. Lynch everyone else. Then everything becomes easy I guess.

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So I presume we won? 0_O

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Yeah, I can't see Mala as scum right now.

VOTE: CFR

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Hey RD..

Did Sala and Riot mention anything in the QT about OM? If so what?

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I'll make a case soon enough.

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I'll post a case tomorrow.

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I don't have a strong case against CF Riot except for his buddying with almost everyone else except Mala and me because he knew that Mala was a strong player and would be an extreme threat to scum. Other than that, I can't really deduce much unless you can convince me of Mala scum(which probably isn't going to happen). Also, CF has been either the hammer vote or very close.

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I'm eager to answer any questions though.

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Ugh sorry but I can't really find anything on CF Riot. Anyone wanna ask me any questions?

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Can you elaborate on the solid things, Dashie?

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Ugh, Om just did that gambit as a way of "buddying" with someone else in order to get me lynched. Please don't tell me you guys seriously think I'm scum...

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Ugh, Om just did that gambit as a way of "buddying" with someone else in order to get me lynched.

So you buddied back to somepony who you thought was scummy?

Its also not the only reason. What CFR pointed out regarding how you saw OOTN as scummy yet really froze when I came in and hard pushed in that direction doesnt make much sense if it was really a scum read and not distancing.

I dont like that if its CFR this is going to come down to me, but im staying where I am for now.

As a joke. Do you seriously expect me to do that if I was scum?

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Actually, you probably do after that derpy game of JK9++

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I have voted and my vote is on CF. What else you want from me?

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For some reason I thought it wasnt.

Lets try something new - Why are you town?

Does this look like my goddamn SK meta?

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pedit: Bit, why are you referencing SK meta in this game?

I dunno. I just thought it would be more relevant since I was never mafia in any games with RBD.

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What does it matter if he was in the game with you or not? Why not link to a game as mafia and then compare/contrast it with this game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22820

Sure, why not. Better yet, let's use the last True Love game where I was scum. In the previous True Love game, I had more of a handle of what was going on and controlled how things went. In this game, I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing.

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I think it's you.

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And I have even less on RBD.

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I honestly don't see it. I've played with RBD and after that game where she was scum, it's hard to tell her alignment.

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UNVOTE:

Give me time to re-read.

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Ugh, why does nothing you do make sense?

/me points to signature

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Nice, but no cigar. I want to re-read this game before RBD possibly puts the hammer.

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VOTE: CF Riot

Hmmmm.....

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What does it matter if he was in the game with you or not? Why not link to a game as mafia and then compare/contrast it with this game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22820

Sure, why not. Better yet, let's use the last True Love game where I was scum. In the previous True Love game, I had more of a handle of what was going on and controlled how things went. In this game, I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing.

@Dashie: Here's a True Love game where I was scum btw. I'm not sure if you read through it or not. Do you want me to find you a town game?

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Alright, that's understandable. How is my meta here related to my SK and PR meta from the other 2 games?

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@Bit - You seemed to think I was town after replacing in, so why did you not show any willingness to vote OOTN?

Paranoia that your town play was actually your scum play. I was talking to Mala about the possibility of you being scum.

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@Bit - So you never mentioned my predicessors, called CFR town around the time I showed up, had called OOTN scum, yet why did you never actually vote him and instead tried to get a read on me? I cant really find your motivation for not voting him.

As I said before, you were a much more dangerous person to have around if you are scum.

Anyways, can you and Mala just agree on someone? This game has gone on for a long time...

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Bad move, Dashie.

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Vote Bit

Im still not overly happy with it and am fully willing to listen to Mala if he wants me to reconsider but its really as good as im going to get. While

its hard to argue a case for CFR being town

, its hard for me to actually argue him being scum at the same time. When most of why

I want to say Bit is town comes down to what Bit I think knows is something I look for in towntells and the attack from OOTN

... im just at a point where

I dont think I can be comfortable with a vote ever since the mechanics of this game are going to be approached so differently

from every player unlike a normal one so its hard to try and extrapolate tells from how I see the theory falling out.

I just am at a point where its about 60-40 and I dont think it can shift much more than that. If CFR is scum kudos for him for

the followup to that one massive fail post from him today which im going to kick myself for if he is scum

, but stuff just points the other direction and im going to have to put paranoia aside. The selfvote following that ugly post is really what im going on, that one was SO bad I honestly did just almost selfhammer right there because there was no way I saw town saying those things,

but the followup was just as skewed to me not thinking scum would do it, maybe not as much, but why does scum make a desperation move as opposed to just trying to keep me calm which is all he would have needed to do to win?

Maybe I will have changed again by tomorrow, but I need to make a stance here either way, and obviously need to find a way to get more endgame practice as town.

I just read this. This is complete bullshit. Don't throw this game. CFR has fucked up and dropped so many scum tells that you are voting me over him? And you have a stronger town tell on me yet you are still voting me? And that last statement I bolded leads me to believe you are scum instead of CFR now.

Mala, don't you dare drop a hammer on me until I made my case. I thought this game was going to end easy as a town victory but apparently it's going to be a lot harder. I want everyone to look at the last True Love game and actually compare the meta to this game. It's not even remotely similar. True Love games involve a very different dynamic causing town tells and scum tells to be more different than normal mafia games.

Anyways, I'll make a case on my next post.

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Also, I want RBD to list reasons why I'm scum. She's been pretty wish-washy and fence-sitting saying "Oh, he could be scum... or him" without laying down any strong evidence.

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Also, I want RBD to list reasons why I'm scum. She's been pretty wish-washy and fence-sitting saying "Oh, he could be scum... or him" without laying down any strong evidence.

Its mostly that even though you showed suspicion of OOTN, when I came in and attacked him you apparently were more concered about me even though you showed no prior suspicion of me up untill that point. It just doesnt quite seem to add up.

To an extent im taking a leap of faith on that ugly exchange over CFR and im still not totally assured of what is going on there, but there are enough really small things there. You however I just really only have the inattentiveness and the fact that OOTN was putting pressure on you, but that was fairly passive for the most part.

I was concerned with you because you are a stronger player than Om. But seriously... CFR has been dropping scum tells left and right yet you still vote for me?

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First off, I'll disprove any attacks on me. First off, the blatant "lol buddy" thing is related to a previous game of True Love where me and Om would just screw around posting fluff for lulz.

Here's the link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4217088

Secondly, there was a bit of uncertainty when you came in and tried to control the flow of the game. I've seen you do it as scum so it led me to worrying you were scum.

As for CFR scum:

As I said I didn't have much scum tells on him but #363 was a really bad post. Also, he hammered Om in order to be on the wagon to give town credit to himself. I would of gotten on the wagon eventually but by that time it was too late.

As for RBD scum?:

RBD has reason to confirm Mala as town because it would help sway Mala over in order to get me lynched. RBD is just putting this "peace maker" persona and it's been pretty wish-washy because the second Mala votes me, you can expect RBD to hammer me. See, if RBD is scum, she needs to sway Mala in order to achieve a lynch on me. RBD is soft attacking CFR in order to get Mala's vote.

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I didn't bother reading them until just now but Bit's last posts are completely inconsistent with the posts from a page or two ago. They even contradict on this page. Two pages ago he said he didn't really have anything on me and couldn't make a case for me being scum, but said he was voting me because he had even less of a case on RBD

even though

he admits past games with RBD-scum proves it's hard for him to get a clear read. Now he's saying I've dropped "so many" scumtells but at the same time thinks RBD is scum now and he parrots RBD's line about tells being different in this game due to mechanics as a way to excuse the scumread on his slot.

I'm inconsistent because I have no idea which of you two is scum? Thanks for the town points.

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If you were really town in this situation you wouldn't care and you'd just admit you weren't sure and try to convince Mala you were town. You didn't do that because it seems too pushy and you were afraid calling yourself town would come across as scummy.

I already did what I can to convince Mala I am town. Stop making crap up. You want me to tell you everything in the QT? That's where I told Mala I wasn't sure.

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In the QT, I said that RBD should have not spouted the pairings because some people might have not caught on to it yet. Mala tells me RBD is a strong player and such. I then replied that RBD seems like she might not be scum because she's willing to hammer her lover. I also told her specifically that I couldn't make a case on CFR cause it's hard and if that she had any questions to ask me. You can ask Mala to verify I'm not bullshitting.

The only reason I forced myself to make a case on the 3 of us is because I don't gamethrow.

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I don't give a dookie what's in your QQT.

I don't care about your baseless questions and stupid attacks.

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Town you wouldn't care. You just wouldn't care which of us was scum. You would go, "I think Mala is town, this is the easiest endgame ever." Then you'd vote and your vote would sit there all day and you would try to reassure Mala and me/RBD that you were town and that makes us the right lynch. Instead you postured all day long pretending to be really thinking it over and tried not to push too hard because you didn't want to rock the boat.

You don't know me that well enough to make that assumption. You don't know my meta.

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I was never confident 100% that Mala was town until RBD tested the waters and stacked on my vote on you. When Mala didn't hammer, it seemed like Mala was town from there.

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You're just shoving words in my mouth and expecting me to follow what you believe I would do.

Tough luck bro, but I'm pretty unconventional.

P-Edit: I guess 363 is like "lol just lynch bitmap okay?" sort of post and he's doing a bad push on me.

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You're talking to the dude that shot every single town player in a JK9++ setup before realizing who was scum.

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Anyways, if no one else has anything else to ask besides CF Riot shoving words in my mouth, I really have nothing much more to say.

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Also, I'm sorry my play hasn't been great or even good. I feel like I've been forced to say things and tripping up.

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Wtf, I'm not scum ffs.

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Fuck you, Om.

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It is an indeed odd setup. I believe I messed up the most by attacking CFR over you because you exposed yourself more than CFR to attacks which I didn't capitalize. I was so worried about you breaking this game that I froze when I saw you replace into this game. Fortunately, Mala was more convinced that I was town over you two which was probably the tipping point which let me win.

As I said before, if you can find the pair that's pure, you pretty much can win this really easily. In all honesty, if you claim lovers or don't claim lovers, it really doesn't matter. Claiming lovers as I've seen doesn't do much. Also, it's in scum's best motive to distance/bus in some way because there's a good chance one of them will go down.

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Anyways, thank you guille for the game and all the players. I especially want to thank Om for helping us win as his D1 play was a great asset to helping me secure victory.

RBD, you did a good job this game. I tried mimicking behavior from my cop game as soon as you were replaced in which involved me pointing fingers at you.

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