Mini 1401 - Game over!

[qwints]

I keep flipping between thinking conman is obviously scum and conman is an unreadable VI. I'm starting to sympathize with the argument that we have to lynch him Day 1 regardless, but I'd like to hear more from the people who have a town read on him - especially Singer

[Kthxbye]

bout time...

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Tally 1.6

TheConman17 (L - 2):

Kthxbye, havingfitz, Slandaar, Nobody Special, theaceofspades

theaceofspades (L - 4):

qwints, Gorgon, Saint Kerrigan

KthxBye (L - 6):

Huntress

havingfitz (L - 6):

Singer is Nachomamma

Huntress (L - 6):

absta101

Slandaar (L - 6):

Mephistopheles

Nobody Special (L - 6):

TheConman17

Pacifists (Not Voting):

((expired on 2012-12-24 23:59:59))

Saint Kerrigan (L - 7):

Gorgon (L - 7):

Mephistopheles (L - 7):

absta101 (L - 7):

Singer is Nachomamma (L - 7):

qwints (L - 7):

[Slandaar]

Read Kthx's quote in context, she has taken what kthx said completely out of context to paint him scummy (and to defend Conman)

I did take it in context, in that he followed it up by confirming his vote on Conman, although this may be coloured by the fact that what he was calling a scumslip is something that I've found town are just as likely to say as scum.

It wasn't a slip granted

Context:
Conman is saying he wouldn't be scum because he would hurt his faction too much
Kthx then says: being a bad town is just as bad as being bad scum ie; hes saying this argument is terrible (it is) he hurts town if hes town scum if hes scum etc.

Huntress: This kthx guy knows conman is town! he is scum making preemptive defence!

[Slandaar]

just because you don't understand him doesn't mean that he is scum
just because he has no reasoning doesn't mean that he is scum
if he is trolling it has absolutely no fucking weight on his alignment
not answering questions doesn't. make. someone. scum.

Trolling is scummy.
Avoiding questions is scummy (without reason)
Having no reasoning is scummy.

I will accept not understanding him was a bit unfair, however the rest stands.

[Slandaar]

In fact, Huntress could be scum with Conman town.

Hrm.

Let me think

[havingfitz]

Catching up from the weekend from about mid-page 7:

Conman still not making any sense (as pointed out here by Kthx).

Post 206 by Conman is just another example of why Conman needs to go. In addition to his scummy play he seems to almost be intentionally being obtuse. It could be because he types faster than he thinks but I doubt it. Someone (x2) please send him packing.

Singer gives us all good advice before she goes v/LA. I.e. do the opposite of whatever Nacho says.

@SiN...well what the hell good is he if he is town? He may very well be town but there is no way he should be around at later stages of the game (i.e. LYLO) to either fcuk things up for town or provide an easy mislynch for scum when it would hurt town the most. And don't say "just because you don't understand him". He's not speaking a foreign language. He's just being evasive and not making an effort to make sense. ffs.

There. Caught up and still happy where my vote is.

[Gorgon]

Context:
Conman is saying he wouldn't be scum because he would hurt his faction too much

and that if he is town is doesn't matter if he messes up

Kthx then says: being a bad town is just as bad as being bad scum ie; hes saying this argument is terrible (it is) he hurts town if hes town scum if hes scum etc.

Huntress: This kthx guy knows conman is town! he is scum making preemptive defence!

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, Huntress was certainly not reading the context fairly and overreached IMO, which in my book is a scumtell. In #221 she says that she read in the context of Kthxbye ending his post with confirming his vote on Conman, but the confirmation was based foremost on the possible scumslip that Kthxbye picked up on - and it seems she didn't get what exactly Kthxbye was commenting on. That's some pretty selective reading on her part.

Looking back though, those phases, 'I am really stressed', 'do you honestly think the mod would put me as scum' and 'if I was a townie' in Conman's #92 give me a very bad vibe ... but his writing style is so freestyle and he writes so little that it's difficult to read him.

he seems to almost be intentionally being obtuse. It could be because he types faster than he thinks but I doubt it.

I agree with this though. He's not exactly being helpful or insightful, and looking over his posts earlier I got the very same feeling, that after his slipup in #92 he might have decided to clam up. It could still be because he's frustrated town though. He doesn't have much to lose at this point though and has to realize that the only way to escape the noose for sure is to prove that he is useful to the town.

In fact, Huntress could be scum with Conman town.

I do at least agree that if Conman flips town Huntress should be looked at.

However, Conman and Huntress scum together? Does that add up with Huntress preemptively painting Kthxbye in a bad light for suggesting Conman is town (which would be wrong and Huntress would know that)? Hmm ...

[qwints]

We seem unable to put pressure on anyone besides Conman today, and it doesn't look like he's going to make any posts that actually contribute to the game. I'm quite confident that he's a player who posts with little thought but who seems to do so in noob-scum ways. Since I agree that we pretty much have to lynch him today and then reevaluate what's happened so far, I'm going to

UNVOTE: theaceofspades
VOTE: TheConman17

[Kthxbye]

Again, bout time. Need a hammer now.

[absta101]

Intent to hammer (but i'm waiting for answers from Huntress).

Claim please.

[Gorgon]

Oh ya I will also be gone tomorrow because I have a lacrosse tourney

He won't be claiming just yet then. This push is pointless today.

[qwints]

I read that as saying he would be gone yesterday.

[Gorgon]

Ah. I'm on GMT so he posted this about 4 AM Sunday my time, but it might well be earlier for him so for him it was Saturday, where 'tomorrow' is Sunday.

[theaceofspades]

okay Imma back now. I'm really starting to hate the wagon on conman so before I do anything els

UNVOTE:

this is mostly due to Sin in post 161

And now.... I don't really have a suspect.... I'm not ready to make a new vote. I'm watching NS and kthx. but.... I don't think they warrant a vote yet. Huntress made some good points on kthx but I still think it's a bit flimsy. I don't know though. I seemed to be more sure of his scummyness earlier. SK is the only other person even remotely scum sounding though I do wish qwints would post more because I can't get any read on him yet. same goes for Meph

[theaceofspades]

Read Kthx's quote in context, she has taken what kthx said completely out of context to paint him scummy (and to defend Conman)

I did take it in context, in that he followed it up by confirming his vote on Conman, although this may be coloured by the fact that what he was calling a scumslip is something that I've found town are just as likely to say as scum.

It wasn't a slip granted

Context:
Conman is saying he wouldn't be scum because he would hurt his faction too much
Kthx then says: being a bad town is just as bad as being bad scum ie; hes saying this argument is terrible (it is) he hurts town if hes town scum if hes scum etc.

Huntress: This kthx guy knows conman is town! he is scum making preemptive defence!

okay now there's.... something. slaandar's got something here I think...... Okay slandaar. Are you willing to vote kthx based on this? It's pretty compelling...... The thing is. Huntess and kthx can't both be scum. Well I guess they could but it doesn't look like it. I'm thinking that conman is town. and if we lynch him we are just wasting our time. But at the same time... i'm not ready to vote for kthx. so I'm wanting to play it safe here

VOTE: No Lynch

[Nobody Special]

Conman almost has to be town with the difficulty inherent in getting him lynched. Still, he has to go.

[havingfitz]

Oh for fcuk's sake. We aren't no lynching. This smells of scum trying to avoid a mislynch. The ONLY way a no lynch would be better than a Conman lynch would be if we had indisputable proof Conman was town.

P.edit...why would a mislynch be harder to get than a scum lynch?

[theaceofspades]

mod replace me

This scucks. I was loving this game. Sorry guys. I'll be out till Jan. So I don't want to screw up the game

[qwints]

Conman almost has to be town with the difficulty inherent in getting him lynched. Still, he has to go.

Wait, what?

[AngryPidgeon]

Malakittens replaces theaceofspades! Thank you Mala!

[Kthxbye]

Mala, get you vote on scum conman

[Nobody Special]

Conman almost has to be town with the difficulty inherent in getting him lynched. Still, he has to go.

Wait, what?

Which part do you not understand? I'll clarify any of it. Or all of it, if you need.

[absta101]

Read Kthx's quote in context, she has taken what kthx said completely out of context to paint him scummy (and to defend Conman)

I did take it in context, in that he followed it up by confirming his vote on Conman, although this may be coloured by the fact that what he was calling a scumslip is something that I've found town are just as likely to say as scum.

It wasn't a slip granted

Context:
Conman is saying he wouldn't be scum because he would hurt his faction too much
Kthx then says: being a bad town is just as bad as being bad scum ie; hes saying this argument is terrible (it is) he hurts town if hes town scum if hes scum etc.

Huntress: This kthx guy knows conman is town! he is scum making preemptive defence!

okay now there's.... something. slaandar's got something here I think...... Okay slandaar. Are you willing to vote kthx based on this? It's pretty compelling...... The thing is. Huntess and kthx can't both be scum. Well I guess they could but it doesn't look like it. I'm thinking that conman is town. and if we lynch him we are just wasting our time. But at the same time... i'm not ready to vote for kthx. so I'm wanting to play it safe here

VOTE: No Lynch

Why would he vote Kthx for that...?
I swear he's calling Huntress scum.

[Malakittens]

Mmk. Post incoming later. I'm at work at the moment, but I'll be off in less than 3 hours to make a proper post.

I was reading along so won't take me that long to catch up.