Mini 1400(!): Bubble Tape Mafia - It's Over!

[zipperflesh]

null read on both spots

killing a replacee provides town little to no info to work with day 2

[Thor665]

Why are these two statements to you mutually exclusive? (You said "or" rather than "and/or".)

They're not mutually exclusive, but are strategically exclusive.
Scum did it as an either/or not an and/or - I'd wager money on it.

Everyone:

What was your read on MY slot going into night?
What was the town's overall read on my slot going into night?

I had clear and strong reads off your slot's posting.
It's odd to think otherwise.

so you expect me to believe, it's pro town to camp a vote on a growing wagon, not provide any additional input, and push it along all while ignoring just about everything being said in regards to the person being run up?

You did notice the timeline of that push and my posting, right?
Keep shoveling.

[mastin2]

Thor, you answered most of my questions, but neglected to answer one of the more important ones:

Who are/were the obvtown players?

In fact, let me extend that question to the whole town--going into night, who did

you

consider obvtown?

[MaverickMaestro]

VOTE: kushm4sta

Still scum.

[Thor665]

Thor, you answered most of my questions, but neglected to answer one of the more important ones:

Who are/were the obvtown players?

?

Zipper and AP.

[Jake from State Farm]

if by timeline you mean how you keep popping in as the wagon gets larger and urge more people to vote him? Yeah I noticed and that's a scumtell too

1. you vote him and are 2nd on wagon
2. popping in shortly after he is put at L-3 to tell me to vote Dave
3. you showing up after he is at L-1 saying "yeah let's lynch dave"

All of your votes have had a stench of OMGUS (vote on AP) or opportunism (vote on Kush) with exception of your very first vote which just looked like you trying to earn some town cred. There is nothing in your iso that would suggest you have done anything that meets the definition of proper town play.

[Jake from State Farm]

ebwop - should say "all of your other votes"

[mastin2]

Jake, address me.

[Thor665]

if by timeline you mean how you keep popping in as the wagon gets larger and urge more people to vote him? Yeah I noticed and that's a scumtell too

1. you vote him and are 2nd on wagon
2. popping in shortly after he is put at L-3 to tell me to vote Dave
3. you showing up after he is at L-1 saying "yeah let's lynch dave"

Okay, so now that you agree I never had a chance to react to the claim - which information about him should I have addressed?

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, address me.

I've answered your questions, unless I missed something

[mastin2]

Who are/were the obvtown players?

In fact, let me extend that question to the whole town--going into night, who did

you

consider obvtown?

[Kthxbye]

Everyone: Why do you think Rondar was killed?

Alright, couple other related questions:
-

Everyone: What was your opinion on that slot going into night?
What was the town's overall opinion of that slot?

1. WIFOMy WIFOM with a side of WIFOM.
2. Uninterested person playing it
3. Won't you get the answer to this as people answer your questions?

[Kthxbye]

AP and thor seem the most obvtown due to their earlier pissing contest....though AP less and less so. d3x seems to be playing his town game so because I know him, I'd put him in obvtown as well. mastin is also getting town-points recently

[AngryPidgeon]

Im here. Ive resolved to NOT check MS at work anymore so forgive my lurkiness. I know checked in to mod my game a little. Shoot me. Or dont. Then you will be Dick Cheney. Im not caught up...quick skim at lunch now.

quick replies: @Kthx, but you said that qwints is scummy for anti-town behavior (the quick hammer / not posting anything). The Dave flip doesnt change that at all. You accused him of being scummy for anti-town behavior, so a scum flip from Dave would make his behavior less anti-town?

@Jake: straaaaaaawman. I never said you were scummy for your policy. I said you were scummy for circlejerking about how good your policy was without actually being proactive about trying to start another wagon. You never appealed to anyone or encouraged anyone to get on Thor/Kthx. You just kind of said 'Ya Dave is scum, I dont like lynching cliamed PRs though' and coasted around whilst arguing mafia theory about your policy. Its not scummy because of your policy but because you apparently cared more about discussing your policy than doing anything about the lynch.

@Thor: werent you just voting Zipper? Why is he obvtown? Not caught up, sorry if im missing context.

@Mastin: haha, ok I think you are town. Lets be masons! : P
Who are your top 2 scumreads? W/o letting my opinons influence it. (And now to add bias to the question, I'll say Im heavily considering adding to Zipper's Jake wagon again)

@Thor: Once again, sorry if I missed. Read on jake, bullet points as to why?

@Kthx: Ok, I cant get over your qwints suspicion. Hammering in your first post on a TOWN COP is a good way to draw suspicion to your slot. Why would scum-qwints want to draw all that attention to himself as scum like that? It doesnt look like something scum would do for fear of retribution. Why does his move look/feel scummy then?

[Jake from State Farm]

if by timeline you mean how you keep popping in as the wagon gets larger and urge more people to vote him? Yeah I noticed and that's a scumtell too

1. you vote him and are 2nd on wagon
2. popping in shortly after he is put at L-3 to tell me to vote Dave
3. you showing up after he is at L-1 saying "yeah let's lynch dave"

Okay, so now that you agree I never had a chance to react to the claim - which information about him should I have addressed?

there were plenty of things to comment on, that is how discussions take place. People say things, others say other things. You could have chimed in on any of the points being made against him or any of the points he was making to defend himself. Instead you put it in cruise control.

I do find it odd you mention the fact you were not around to react to the claim, That wasn't even one of the points I was bringing up about you. Seems out of place imo

@ Mantis - I had no strong town reads day 1, The closest I had would probably be AP but I was suspicious of him because of his multiple buddying posts. Asides from that I agreed with lots of stuff he said.

[mastin2]

@Mastin: haha, ok I think you are town. Lets be masons! : P

Yes, please.

My top two at this point are kthnx and d3x, with Thor as the third. (I almost want to use bold and say "Calling It:" to it, but not quite confident enough yet.)

It's

painfully

obvious from the first seven or so pages of the thread.

Particularly this gem,

@Safety- What exactly do you find scummy with kush's p19? Not understanding a reason to post something =/= Scum posting.

The classic distancing maneuver from d3x. Add in the flash-wagon on obvtown kush which I'm pretty much guaranteeing has two scum on it, and that I have Maverick as a townread, and that Cyber's posting (while starting off bad) got better and better and that d3x was voting MM for something he himself said was null, and, well, the evidence is mounting up.

Oh, and add in lots of gut from my skim-read of the last few pages.

Mind you, there's more to it than just this, but if you want a full case, you have to give me the time for a full read. Not to worry; making progress fast.

[mastin2]

Whoops. Made that first four pages.
(On page four, you have up to page seven in your whachamacallit thingy next to the "page x of 24". Which on 24, is 1 ... 20 21 22 23 24, and on 4 is something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... 24.)

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake: straaaaaaawman. I never said you were scummy for your policy. I said you were scummy for circlejerking about how good your policy was without actually being proactive about trying to start another wagon. You never appealed to anyone or encouraged anyone to get on Thor/Kthx. You just kind of said 'Ya Dave is scum, I dont like lynching cliamed PRs though' and coasted around whilst arguing mafia theory about your policy. Its not scummy because of your policy but because you apparently cared more about discussing your policy than doing anything about the lynch.

No strawmanning what so ever but nice try. You voted me because

Your stance on "Ya Dave is scum, but lets not lynch him today" whilst not actively trying to rally support for a wagon you did care about is odd.

my reply is directly responding to those 2 accusations.

As for me "arguing mafia theory about my policy", you do realize someone was asking me about it right?

Kush was questioning me about it and I was answering his questions, towards the end of that discussion Qwits hammers.

so you can try and mis-rep me yet again, but the truth is out there for the entire game to see.


now you had your 1 post and you didn';t retract your statement so

here it is you liar

you said

And accusing me of buddying you after one post really didn't make sense, context and all given.

I said

the buddying I was referring to would be the constant declarations that you think i am town, more so the defending of me when others say they don't think i am town.

[Kthxbye]

AP, kinda already explained that bro. Take away all the WIFOM and look at the actions. Quick hammer on claimed town cop. That is a scummy action. Arguing that it would bring too much suspicion to the action by doing it is actually the opposite of what happened so far in this day. So basically, you and others claiming he's obv-town for doing a scummy action is proving my point that it in fact DID NOT bring large amounts of attention to him and there is in fact NO fear of retribution....other than me.

[Kthxbye]

Also, something just hit me. I think I've been called out to be on like 5 different scum teams....Why are those putting me on these scum teams not building the case for me and pushing for a lynch. You all seem to have me as a common denominator so show everyone why and get the wagon rolling.

Maston: This specifically applies to your p590 where you have me linked with d3x as scum, yet only mention why you think d3x is scum. What's this about?

[mastin2]

This game's way too easy. AP, we're gonna steamroll the mafia, since their largest mistake in the game was not killing me n1.

AP's town, qwint's town, kush is obvtown, and Maverick's as strong of a townread as I'll get.
Zipper's a townread as well (albeit not as strong), and then there's Cyber who pulled an incredible reversal from null-leaning-scum up to the upper side of null-town, with Jake not far behind. (AKA, weak townreads; Cyber's slightly more town than Jake.)
Leaving just three names for scum: d3x, kthnxbye, and Thor.

Yeah. By POE alone, they'd be scum, but they've also got scumtastic interactions. (d3x also chainsaw defended Thor via trying to discredit AP in the early pages as well.)
Not only are their interactions horribad, but their play is (as far as I can tell) some of the worst in the game. For instance, Safety (who kthnxbye replaced) has some of the worst posts I've seen in my 100-game career.

Pretty much the ONLY thing preventing me from calling this the scumteam is that it's just too dang picture-perfect and it'd be Too Good To Be True. (Meaning it probably isn't.) But, dang, I

so

want it to be.

[mastin2]

Though...the more I think about it...
VOTE: Thor.

...The more I realize my Thor scumread is probably stronger than d3x or kthnxbye.

I get the strangest feeling of deja vu when reading his posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

I get the strangest feeling of deja vu when reading his posts.

Thor doesnt believe me when I say hes either obvtown or just kind of....Thor. But I guess I suffer from that too lol. TechnoWC and I were theorizing that if I am not obvtown by D3 in any game, I deserve to be lynched.

his game's way too easy. AP, we're gonna steamroll the mafia, since their largest mistake in the game was not killing me n1.

LOL. I am a litle concerned that I wasnt killed since I think my Kthx/Thor reads are still good. But its totally possible that they expected me to have no cred after the Dave flip. Or that you are scum...

What changed your mind on Jake?

Ugh, I HATE myself. If I so much as navigate to Ms.net, I cant stop thinking about it for the rest of the work day. Ok, actually catching up later.

[AngryPidgeon]

So I just skimmed that horrifying Jake response. Hes prob-scum. lol @ 'you liar'. If Im lying, then vote me. Give me your insurance Jake. You didnt want to say 'you are mistaken' because that would look like you know Im town. So Im lying. FUCK. OK ACTUALLY LEAVING UNTIL LATER.

[Thor665]

@Thor: werent you just voting Zipper? Why is he obvtown? Not caught up, sorry if im missing context.

You are missing context - reading th question i was answering (which I quoted) would probably help with that context.

@Thor: Once again, sorry if I missed. Read on jake, bullet points as to why?

My read on Jake is scummish mixed with anti-town mixed with troll. I don't feel content with it.

@Mastin - you scum this game?