Mini 1401 - Game over!

[Kthxbye]

forgot nacho was in game and huntress stuck out more due to activity. Good catch. Doesn't have any bearing on Conman still being scum.

[Singer is Nachomamma]

Conman asking for the VC constantly is slightly scummy imo. I sometimes do that when i'm scum as a habit. It's possible that scum do it to check which players are likely misslynches and to make sure they don't vote the same person as their partner(s).

Who do you think Conman's partners would be based on this?

There were no patterns and when asked, no comment.

How do you think he'd handle this as town? Do you think that he voted Slandaar for voting patterns because he couldn't think of anything else? If so, why did he change his vote from absta?

Here he does pretty much exactly what he accuses me of and tries to keep the wagon on me going while still ignoring any questions directed at him. Also note admission of "really just spamming"

Why would he admit that he was spamming a bit as scum? You find it

impossible

that a new player would find you scummy for trying to mislynch him? Just absolutely, thoroughly, impossible?

Do I even need to break this one down?

Sure. Or even just refute the argument that I made in #161.

After we get some schooling on how another site is different and debate on whether Conman should have started with a Newbie game, we get this nice little post that if he flips scum, will convince me that d3x's slot is scum as well.

Why would Conman feel the urge to specifically call his partner town at this point?

And finally, anger at getting caught so easily on day one and a big part of the reason I don't want to deal with him past today.

Or... anger that everyone is voting him and he doesn't really know why...?

After all this, we basically get fluff and not answering direct question (seriously, was like pulling teeth re: p189-p208) and flipping reads more often than an angry pidgeon.

And again, you're assuming that Conman as town would be the proper town player, which clear reads, good conviction, no fluff, and excellent about answering questions. You're not looking at intent. You're not really looking at anyone else. You're just tunneling a policy lynch.

forgot nacho was in game and huntress stuck out more due to activity. Good catch. Doesn't have any bearing on Conman still being scum.

huntress stuck out more due to activity...?

[Singer is Nachomamma]

In the meantime let's have some more votes on Kthxbye. Once again he's using Conman as a smokescreen to hide the fact that he's doing next to nothing.

Neither is fitz. Why vote Kthx and not fitz?

I'm good riding a Slandaar vote for now.

Vote: Slandaar

Kthx, Gorgon, Mala, Conman, absta,and Huntress are all solid town reads for me right now.

[Gorgon]

In the meantime let's have some more votes on

Kthxbye

. Once again he's using Conman as a smokescreen to hide the fact that he's doing next to nothing.

Much like SiN, I read him as town tunneling on a policy lynch - although tunneling can be a scumtell my gut tells me it's because Kthx is convinced that Conman is scum and so useless in the best case scenario of being town that he should go today. I don't agree fully with this; I think there is plenty of time to at least explore other options today and feel that we have made great strides since the Conman wagon collapsed. If he had been lynched early we would have missed out on all this juicy info. This doesn't make Kthx scum in my eyes, though.

Derr-kay. Nice blatant misrep, Slandaar. That's so sloppy you should be ashamed of yourself.

Let's all look at the context of those two quotes.

I have been voting conman for ages, what was my vote accomplishing?

Well, assuming you think he's Scum, it's pushing the Wagon. I find this questionable b/c you seem to be jumping off the Wagon for a seemingly late RVS vote w/o adding any substance.

This clearly shows that I don't believe you.

Why have you been riding that Conman vote for so long? Your vote post said... "yeah". Please note, I don't want you to say 'I agreed with fitz et al, I want you to state your reasons for thinking he's Scum.

This clearly states that because I don't believe you, I want you to explain your vote. As I said, you've been riding that Wagon virtually the whole game, yet you've not really added to the case.

Oh man, do I like my vote. Let's Lynch us a SlandaarScum, boyos {and ladies}.

I agree, it's blatant misrepresentation and overreaching, along with dodging the issue of why he finds Conman scummy.

VOTE: Slandaar

[Slandaar]

I don't answer pointless questions; as I said; reasons can clearly be found in my ISO.

Conman is scum because nothing he says makes any sense, he has no reasoning, he is literally trolling from what I can gather, he can't answer basic questions.

Unvote
Vote: Nobody Special

had he put me ( fake ) L-1 then two people might have paniced or seen that I was done so they might have voted for me, very scummy

Why would people panic seeing you at L-1 thinking you are done and vote?

Does this make sense if hes town? no it doesn't

If scum? yes; BUSSING (in panic).

When you say dodging Gorgon what are you suggesting I was trying to achieve?

[Gorgon]

That's not for me to say, but avoiding questions is untownish at best and scummy at worst.

Vote: Slandar

His voting pattern is suspicious an he seems to be one of the scum.

What troubles you about his voting pattern?

Well kthxbye you seem rather quick to try and take votes of yourself and try to blame other people but I guess I haven't been reading much because I have been at a lacrosse tournament and am really just spamming but you do seem to have a past history with this forum and with the points mentioned above...

UNVOTE

VOTE: kthxbye

Lets all guess why he didn't answer NS.

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Your vote post said... "yeah". Please note, I don't want you to say 'I agreed with fitz et al, I want you to state your reasons for thinking he's Scum.

Why have you been riding that Conman vote for so long?

Well, assuming you think he's Scum, it's pushing the Wagon.

Scum found.

I asked him what the point of leaving my vote on Conman was he says; to push wagon

He then later is asking me why I was voting Conman so long.

Hes scum; it is clear cognitive dissonance, I am scummy for voting Conman so long AND I should be voting Conman to push the wagon.

Can't be both ergo d3x is scum.

I voted him for the obvious reasons of meph getting caught then flaking instantly, not randomly, although it is how I made it appear to see how d3x would react and obviously not well at all.

"Lets all guess why he didn't answer d3x."

~~~

Not fully comparable of course since d3x's request was not in the form of a question and was buried among other content, but the principle's the same. IMO it was neither an unreasonable nor pointless request.

And just to clarify ...

Hes scum; it is clear cognitive dissonance, I am scummy for voting Conman so long AND I should be voting Conman to push the wagon.

Can't be both ergo d3x is scum.

He didn't say you

should

have been riding the Conman vote to push the wagon, he said

assuming

you think he's scum it was reasonable to push the wagon. He did however find the assumption that you thought he was scum questionable and your stated grounds for thinking so unclear, and wanted a clarification. That's the issue that you dodged.

[Slandaar]

218 sums up my reasoning pretty well.

That was the point of quoting it; it is not comparable because I have already answered the question before the question was asked; Ergo; pointless question.

Which follows on to; What is scummy then about 'dodging' a pointless question?

[Nobody Special]

Slandaar,

give it up.

I've seen your play, it's not normally this .... retarded, for lack of a better word.

Are you scum?

Not a pointless question. Please answer.

[absta101]

Really huntress? Nothing in my last post was logically based and just a smoke screen? This isn't the first time you've come to conmans defence btw. Any specific reason for that? Mind posting the reasons I'd need a smoke screen for anyway? Might get more votes that way...

tbh, I skipped your case on him. I hate the way it's set out.

If you want to convince me, point me to a scummy thing he's done, explain why scum would do it and why town wouldn't. We'll go from there.
VOTE: Kthx

Conman and huntress have a point.

@kthxbye you do not say anyone is suspicious but me you do not even acknowledge other players (exept for the vote for conman thing) and also I would like to see your scum list similar to mine

I've seen this come from town more than scum.

[absta101]

Who do you think Conman's partners would be based on this?

No thank you.

[absta101]

hmmm, about Conman, not exactly that. It's more "and what happens when I flip town?". Somehow his post gives me the same vibe.

[Kthxbye]

Really huntress? Nothing in my last post was logically based and just a smoke screen? This isn't the first time you've come to conmans defence btw. Any specific reason for that? Mind posting the reasons I'd need a smoke screen for anyway? Might get more votes that way...

tbh, I skipped your case on him. I hate the way it's set out.

If you want to convince me, point me to a scummy thing he's done, explain why scum would do it and why town wouldn't. We'll go from there.
VOTE: Kthx

Conman and huntress have a point.

@kthxbye you do not say anyone is suspicious but me you do not even acknowledge other players (exept for the vote for conman thing) and also I would like to see your scum list similar to mine

I've seen this come from town more than scum.

First off this post is a contradiction. Vote me and then claim that my actions come from town more than scum. Secondly, not doing work I've already done because you don't like the formatting.

[absta101]

- I was talking about Conman.

- I don't very much like the "This post is scum-X doing bla bla" X100 case. If you get what I mean?
I'll look over it.

[qwints]

I'm willing to bet right now the scum team is conman, mala and absta based solely on that list. I'll reread to evaluate that.

I actually can't find anything that really substantiates my initial impulse.

Kthx is looking good for keeping the pressure on conman - if conman is scum, kthx is likely town.

I like slandaar's side of the slandaar-dx3 argument.

[TheConman17]

You guys made some good points!

UNVOTE
VOTE: Slaandar

[havingfitz]

You guys made some good points!

UNVOTE
VOTE: Slaandar

Any wagon will do...eh Conman?

Town not voting Conman is disappointing.

[TheConman17]

@Havingfitz well they did make some good points

[d3x]

Conman, please let know exactly what swayed you from the last few pages.

[Kthxbye]

You guys made some good points!

UNVOTE
VOTE: Slaandar

Any wagon will do...eh Conman?

Town not voting Conman is disappointing.

This

[Singer is Nachomamma]

You guys made some good points!

UNVOTE
VOTE: Slaandar

Any wagon will do...eh Conman?

Town not voting Conman is disappointing.

Zzzzzzzzzz...

[Kthxbye]

I don't understand the rest of the town right now. Honestly, day 1 lynches are never this cut and dry. Yes, it's odd that it's this easy. That doesn't mean it's not the right lynch.

[Nobody Special]

Well.

Well, well, well.

Vote: TheConMan

[TheConman17]

Well.

Well, well, well.

Vote: TheConMan

That explains nothing

[d3x]

@Slandaar - Your entire reason for being on the conman wagon is summed up in p218?
1- 'nothing he says makes sense'
2- 'he has no reasoning'
3- 'he is literally trolling from what I can gather'
4- 'he can't answer basic questions'

1- That is a ridiculous generalization. I've been able to follow what he's saying most of the time.
2- How is this a seperate point from 1?
3- How is trolling scummy? I can't begin to tell you how many players on this site troll as a way of life. Many as a way of ScumHunting.
4- How is this scummy? You didn't answer my questions. You felt that they were 'pointless'. I disagree and apparently a number of others do as well. Does that make you scummy?

Further, how do any of the points listed above seperate him from VI? I find your reasoning weak. I deem you Scum.

I have already answered the question before the question was asked; Ergo; pointless question.

Did you miss the part where I said that I prefer interactions to archive diving for my ScumHunting? Why wouldn't you just point me in the right direction if you felt this way?

I like slandaar's side of the slandaar-dx3 argument.

Which part are you liking? The misrep or the 'pressure vote' 6 days too late?

[qwints]

Well.

Well, well, well.

Vote: TheConMan

That explains nothing

The first post that comes close to being useful from Conman. A Christmas miracle!