Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[SlySly]

Jal, all I play are large theme games. Multiple scum groups are very common on this site in large theme games. Peruse the games on my wiki if you think I'm blowing smoke. I've already explained that I've spotted a group and their connections to each other and that I've also spotted a scummy player that doesn't seem to be connected to the other group. My thoughts are plain common sense and are far from scummy.

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Bumi, you having a townread on AA is not scummy in itself. What's scummy is how you've come to her defense every time someone has suggested she is scum.

[Bumi]

Why is that scummy?

[SlySly]

Because she is scum and you have relentlessly defended her.

[Jal]

I see a good amount of games (in this forum) that aren't multiball. There's no point to start off the game categorizing people into different scum groups assuming multiball without flips. I get categorizing them and making decisions on how people just aren't connected, especially if one flips scum, but starting off with the assumption of multiball I just don't see the "common sense" in that.

Also, all I see in the group you posted that they seem to be a bit buddy buddy with each other. I usually find that is one sided, and not something scum just all do with and to each other.

[Bumi]

Even if she is scum which I highly doubt why would I publicly defend her in this manner especially if it is according to you "multiball"?

(ponders)

What is multiball? I can't find any links. I assume more than one mafia group?

[SlySly]

I see a good amount of games (in this forum) that aren't multiball. There's no point to start off the game categorizing people into different scum groups assuming multiball without flips. I get categorizing them and making decisions on how people just aren't connected, especially if one flips scum, but starting off with the assumption of multiball I just don't see the "common sense" in that.

Also, all I see in the group you posted that they seem to be a bit buddy buddy with each other. I usually find that is one sided, and not something scum just all do with and to each other.

Well Jal, you call it your way and I'll call it mine. Every group of scum is different and scum even make mistakes, shudder the thought.

I have played in plenty of games in this forum that had multiple scum groups. There may not be multiple scum groups in this game, but my initial read through has made me think there very well could be.

[SlySly]

Even if she is scum which I highly doubt why would I publicly defend her in this manner especially if it is according to you "multiball"?

Multiball is irrelevant in regards to your defense of AA.

It's possible that you are not very good at playing scum and haven't yet realized that defending your scumbuddy so strongly puts a bullseye not only on your back, but your scumbuddy's as well.

[Bumi]

What will you do when I flip town? Will you continue down this path that we three are buddies?

What will you do if ArcAngel flips town?

How is it irrelevant? I may be new to this site but I'm not entirely new to the concept of mafia the game. I know that you want your partners living longer than town. Why would I tie myself to someone so strongly so early in a game? Especially if another mafia faction exists?

[SlySly]

What will you do when I flip town? Will you continue down this path that we three are buddies?

What will you do if ArcAngel flips town?

Obviously if any of you 3 flip town, I will reevaluate my reads.

How is it irrelevant?

You wouldn't be defending someone from a group you didn't know existed.

I may be new to this site but I'm not entirely new to the concept of mafia the game. I know that you want your partners living longer than town. Why would I tie myself to someone so strongly so early in a game? Especially if another mafia faction exists?

1. See my last post. Scum make poor choices sometimes.
2. If you are mafia, I doubt seriously that the mod told you about another group of mafia. That makes it irrelevant.

[Parama]

proddodge

no motivation for this mess atm

[killerjester]

ya holidays

[Baby Spice]

I'm thinking that Bumi might be scum who picked someone who isn't in their scum group to defend, expecting them to be lynched and give him townie points.

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE : BirdAndBeat

Instabus.

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B&B made a good point.

Make point to build credibility for scum buddy.

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Roger is a new player and new players usually be townie's.

This is absolute crap. They only reason all players are more likely to be town than scum is because there are more town in games than scum. Being new has nothing to do with alignment. Is Roger on your team too?

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do we have day Vig kill?

Had you offered a target for the vig, this wouldn't be such a blatant role fish, but you didn't, so it is.

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I am comfortable any of them.

Then join us on thezmon. If there were to be a dayvig, they'd take out Sixx. But since dayvigs aren't a common role, we can't rely on 'em. Thezmon today, Sixx tomorrow (or also today if there's a dayvig).

Can't agree more.. Here you go..

Vote: thezmon

Sheeping of B&B. Aren't you a big fan of giving reasoning AA? Well you provided none here.

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and, I just wanted to know if there is any Day Vig kill. This is a big game. They come under good use if we have two major suspects in a day phase. Isn't a good thing to have ability to hit Mafia twice?

Second mention, still no suggested target.

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ArcAngel is town.

Sure I am.

Bumi begins his AA love.

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I think this is yours.

What is wrong with a day vig day killing exactly? Sheeping is not scummy, its just sheeping. And ArcAngel clearly had original thoughts of her own if you ISO her.

Exactly, I was only inquiring about if the game has day Vig kill. Its not a bad option. It helps town to make two kills before the day ends.

To post 233
I disagree fully on part 2. Asking to day vig a player this early when not everyone has even checked in is really bad in my mind. To me, the vig needs to operate on their own reads until they have a confirmed townie to reason with.

How does the day vig is any different to night vig? they both do the same..Kill. Day Vig is good for town if the right choice has been made. This concern of yours wonders me if you're afraid of being killed or lynched in the day phase? so are you the scum?

3rd and 4th mention, still no suggested target. AA, just admit it, you were role fishing.

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I can say you're insane.

Ad hom.

There is no proof to your theory, you're just making up a story to vote me.

i strongly hope the town see this behaviour you.

Refer to the above and below. I'm seeing plenty of reason to vote your scummy ass.

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Looks like now all the scums are coming on defending their mates.

You've just described Bumi's play in regards to you!

ArcAngel is town.

I really hate the mentality of this post to and the specific null leaning on Arc.

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VOTE: ArcAngel

Denial of fishing, fishing, and sheeping. And, until the advent of a reason for your vote on Thezmon, you are sheeping in my mind.

I think you are splitting hairs, Aj.

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VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a very bad vote Killer and you are very scummy for making it.

Explain.

I will. At a later point in time.

Mainly due to the fact that Arc is from India and things can get lost in translation. You can see some fumblings in her earlier posts. It looks like Killer is going after something easy to have his vote down.

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Even B&B gets into the AA love. Notice he says everyone is townish, but AA is "def-town"

AJ is townish. Dumbledore looks townish. nhammen is townish as well. ArcAngel is def-town, as is njoseph and TML. Baby Spice is town. Jacob is town. Johnny looks town. Killer Apple is town. Theomoaner's townish, as is unseencamo.

Multiple times I was ready to comment on something, only to see that Arc had already beaten me to the punch. No way she's scum.

No joke: it'd be easier to quote the parts of ArcAngel's posts which DON'T make me think town.

I present two charges to her: Sheeping and Role fishing day vig.

Both of these are bullshit. She's clearly not sheeping, and she was clearly not rolefishing for a dayvig.

She was clearly sheeping and rolefishing. Nice try though.

What is wrong with a day vig day killing exactly? Sheeping is not scummy, its just sheeping. And ArcAngel clearly had original thoughts of her own if you ISO her.

There is nothing wrong with a day vig killing. The fact you are missing is AA, in her first 4 mentions of dayvig, never suggested a target, she just fished. Sheeping is the perfect/easiest way for scum to hop on a wagon.

If you think ArcAngel was sheeping, you need to get better at reading sub-text.
If you think ArcAngel was rolefishing for a day-vig, then you need to play more games to realize just how stupid an accusation that is. Asking for a dayvig on a player, if any tell at all, would be town, not scum.

Again, 4 dayvig mentions, no suggested target, she just fished.

She even admits it here...

It was me who is asking for if we have Day vig available in the game, i certainly didn't ask anyone to kill anyone

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UNVOTE: NJ

VOTE: ArcAngel

Does this sound like a joke to you now, AA?

Wow, what a selection of quotes to make me look so bad around!!!
And why is on the earth you manage to miss the posts that i mentioned what my reasons to vote Thez which made people like AJ and KillperApple change their my mind. i think your'e trying to be over smart in scum hunting to help the town but i can tell you that you're wasting time and i am not the scum. if you don't believe i am not going to waste my time quoting all the historical posts.

Why don't you list out your reasons again (point wise) and let me know why exactly you think i am scum and then we will discuss further.

And i had this with Thez and can't believe that i am doing this again with you.... huh!!!!

[ArcAngel9]

I should be less scummy in your mind. But I'm not? Are you tunnel visioned already?

Why should you be less scummy in my mind? Your AA love is indisputable.

What the hell? Who the hell you think you're.
Is it your cheap scum trick?

[ArcAngel9]

Sly answer my question please - why is it scummy that I have a town read on ArcAngel?

you have asked this question trice, this slysly either too blind to notice it (like he did missed some my justification posts about Thez wagon and day vig call up)
or he scum and chose to ignore to answer this!!!

[jeck]

I just give up on catching up properly and I feel like crap.
Jeck is scummish for throwing his vote around a bit. Having trouble understanding his flow of logic here.

This is a little bit vague and it feels constructed in someway which gives me a scummish read on you, but you've basically the same town reads as I and Im not really sure how of should interpret that. Still leaning town more null now.

[jeck]

but more null now*

[njoseph]

If everybody voting me would vote Sixx, we would achieve our Day 1 goal :/. I AM NOT SCUM. I GUARANTEE IT. I GUARANTEE IT TWICE. I GUARANTEE IS THRICE.

[The Mini-Librarian]

Time to consolidate these wagons now. Day needs to end. My motivation is dying.

I think the evidence against nj is much, much more convincing than the sixx wagon so...

VOTE: nj

[njoseph]

Again, I am a black-hole. I watch you.

[njoseph]

That's partly in jest, but partly FUGGIN TRUTH.

[Parama]

Daykill: Arc

Don't ever again quote a huge wall like that for a short response
That really pisses me off

[njoseph]

I am indeed a black hole player,

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Aj The Epic (1): Bumi
ArcAngel9 (1): SlySly
Darthe (1): Sixx
JacobSavage (1): Jal
njoseph (6): Aj The Epic, nhammen, thezmon221, BirdAndBeast, Idiotking, The Mini-Librarian
Sixx (8): Albus Dumbledore, Parama, Nachomamma8, njoseph, killerjester, Edosurist, Baby Spice, Darthe
The Mini-Librarian (1): Robert2424
thezmon221 (3): ArcAngel9, Ztife, PeregrineV
Ztife (1): jeck
Not voting (2): PMysterious, JacobSavage

With

25

alive, it takes

13

players to lynch.

[Darthe]

I think Sixx is our better choice today but Bumi could well be scum. Some odd reactions.