What's wrong with it?
In post 708, SaintKerrigan wrote:So are you saying this makes d3x more scummy because of this, or just that what d3x did here was dumb? I can't tell.
Good question, and one I was actually wondering about myself. I think that ultimately it's a null tell apart from other factors, such as context, phrasing and their reaction to me discussing the issue. Speaking of which ...
In post 719, Slandaar wrote:It is WIFOM by definition, yes, but the fact is if I always do it (and I do) it means I think the strategy is good, hence going against it needs to reap benefits which as you say would be using the meta argument.
(or it could be meta reads fake tells etc but that obviously isn't the case as noone here knows my meta)
Now, lets be honest, how often do people say x is my meta i'm town! and people actually believe them? it never happens because everyone says WIFOM! I obviously know this and so go back to what benefits do I think I get from using a strategy which I must consider bad (as I never use it whatever the 'strategy' was you think I used here); the answer is none I seriously can't think of any and it just seems bad to not just sit on the wagon if I were scum.
I mean compare the meta argument even if it swayed 2 people it won't just make them go 'locktown' against the towncred from a full bus and its not close, especially on someone like Conman who was lynched anyways.
This is a great answer and I find no fault in the logic.
In post 719, Slandaar wrote:So, you don't find it suspicious when Conman doesn't reply x2 Dex is still pushing my wagon and ignores the issue?
I see.
That wasn't the argument I was replying to. You said he ignored this issue entirely, which is what I was refuting with a simple example of him not ignoring it. You're moving the goalposts here, but fine, I'll play along as it's still an interesting issue. In
#496 it seems d3x is frustrated with Conman's behavior and even asks him to replace out, so obviously he is attributing Conman's behavior to VI town rather than scum, as you have so diligently pointed out that he did. Your argument therefore seems to be that at this point town d3x 'should' have become suspicious of Conman for his behavior, which I don't agree with. One thing I would like to point out here is that there was a bunch of other people not exactly jumping on Conman for not answering questions and basically being what he was, so why is d3x scummy for this? At least he tried to make some sense of the guy.
Heck, let's make this simple by you simply explaining what you think town-d3x should have done differently.
In post 719, Slandaar wrote:Eh you were both basically sheeping Dex from what I could tell so he basically sheeped him also; nitpicking.
Him voting later when he had the chance earlier is probably because he wouldn't just hop on straight away with his buddy needs at least one town vote...
OK, I admit it might be nitpicking but it's good to discuss what exactly what was going on and get some reactions to it. In that light, your point about Conman waiting until town joined in voting you is a good one; that is a plausible scenario.
No, of course you weren't saying that Conman parroting someone automatically means that said someone is a scumbuddy of his, but you seem to be implying that the parroting is at least some indication that d3x is Conman's scumbuddy. My point is that the counterexample of Conman parroting town is a warning that this might be confirmation bias based on the already given assumption that d3x is scum.
In post 720, Slandaar wrote:It's slightly annoying you posted this as it messes things up a bit.
My super mega Gorgon-Dex team case would have included it but now I don't know, I just don't know. It was brought up at a strange time but, would you really know about it? Thinking.
Haha. In the spirit of full honesty, I was actually getting a little worried that I might have been getting a bit too certain about my town read on d3x and my scum read on you so I decided to reread you both thoroughly, and wouldn't you know it, I missed that little gem of his which was very similar to what I had picked on you for earlier - so I posted this not least in the interest of fairness and to prove that I wasn't tunneling on you while defending d3x hard, which definitely might have made me look bad later, especially if you turn out to be town and d3x scum.
It's certainly a funny cooincidence that I seem to have done this at pretty much exactly the right moment to give you some second thoughts about the d3x/Gorgon case you were building, which by the way is exactly what I thought you might be doing, town or scum - but something about that comment about you being annoyed at my timing seems quite townish to me (I guess it might be that you're expressing some real doubts for the first time, which is always townish when it seems genuine), and the same goes for a lot of your other reactions to my questions and comments.
So, I think the right thing to do now is ...
UNVOTE:
Back to the drawing board for me, I guess.
I want to concentrate on playing one game at a time so I'm not available for replacements. If this changes I will change this sig accordingly.
