Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

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AGAR OMG WE ARE IN THE SAME GAME IT IS SO EXCITING WE CAN BE TOWN BFFs!

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VOTE: D3x

AGAR SHEEP ME GOGOGO

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But aaaaagaarrrrrrrrr

Changing my vote is haaarrrrrrrrd

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Now that I'm at an actual computer,
VOTE: DV
serious vote.

His VOTE FOR ME post was legit scummy.

Also, hi bob, how are you, I'm town, let's have a party?

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Who would you vote for if forced to vote, Agar?

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God dammit reck if DeasVail has a post restriction I will be breaking windows in your house.

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oh good then you just get to continue being scummy!

That makes me happier.

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I thought one of {d3x, Ser Arthur Dayne} was a legitimate wagon.

VOTE: DeasVail

That's who I'd vote for.

AGar you're breaking my heart. YOU HAVE BE TOWN WITH ME AGAR DON'T DO THIS TO ME

how are you even sure that he is scummy? yes it makes sense to put a wagon on someone but from my experience YOU could be scum for trying to plant a false reason to lynch an ACTUAL townie in making a choice in their action.

VOTE: KThxbye

Please don't be offended by this, but is english your first language?

does it matter? i'm lazy with my speech. it makes sense to me.

Not an alignment thing, but seeing as how this entire game is predicated on text-based communication, being lazy with your speech is prooooooobably not a good idea.

anyway I found a better fish

I'm starting to get confused, and I hate being confused during RVS

only thing better than "yawn what a bore" is "omg im so confused can someone help me out plz?????"

Unvote
Vote: GMR

I endorse this product and/or service.

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AGar, DV, or GNR. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Gonna stick with DV for now but I GOT MY EYES ON YOU OTHER TWO

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Kthx's case on AGar is well-posted, and AGar claiming to have read, then calling d3x and SAD the legit wagons is hilarious.

Om's posting is uhhhhhh... special. If there is a vig, he's a solid N1 choice, IMO.

Mod: Can we get a votecount?

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BBMolla's gambiting. *shrug*

AGar needs to post. I don't like his case on Leviathan; if he wants him dead cause Levi's an idiot, then he needs to come out and say so. I am a fan of D1 lynches of bad players. (That said, I don't think Leviathan fits that bill, and AGar jumping on him reeks of scum looking for an easy way out.)

Consider my vote held over AGar's head, awaiting his post.

Also re: the vig thing. AGar and I (I believe) are both of the school in which a good vig takes out VIs and unreadable folks, especially early game. We're just calling the shots as we see them, regardless of whether or not a vig is actually in the setup.

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Oh wait hold up AGar only has three votes on him

VOTE: AGar

fuck that waiting shit

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Personal knowledge of BB from meeting him in real life.

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As of now he seems townish, but the claim itself is a nulltell. It's a gambit. Not necessarily dumb, but probably is in this case.

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Quadz is probably one of GNR's partners trying to discredit me btw

This is hilarious

<3 BB

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Quadz... You know better.

No, my friend, much like our discussions about the delicious avocado, it is you who are Doing It Wrong. STOP BEING SO SCUMMY DOG

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Though I must admit, your post was hilarious

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*eyeroll* fucking Molla

For future reference, early D1 daycop/dayvig claims, especially from a decent player, is a fakeclaim literally 100% of the time.

Wheeeee now we can lynch AGar for being a scumfuck yayyyy

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Call me gullible, but I actually believed him...

Ladies and Gentlemen... Your wagon leader!

AGar my heart is so broken
why did you have to draw scum.

Like seriously, what is this crap.

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D'awww that's cute, AGar. I miss my first game too.

You know well and good my playstyle has changed significantly since that game, sooooo I'm not sure what you're referencing by that.

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I'm curious to hear GNR's explanation.

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Is that all, AGar? Really?

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Also, GNR's response-to-prod was not the most content-filled post this game has to offer, but the lurking itself is null in this case, since he didn't bullshit around, and his reasoning for posting elsewhere checks out 100%.

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lol. Well played, AGar. >_>

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Yeah we can lynch the AGar.

SORRY BRO

I WANTED SO MUCH MORE FROM THIS

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I'm not very excited now. This obviously reeks.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PLAY THIS GAME TOGETHER BRO. YOU AND ME, TOWNBUDS TIL THE END

BUT NO, YOU HAD TO DRAW SCUM

:'(

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if AGar ends up being lynched and is scum then quadz is his buddy

lol

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Why the unvote, kthx?

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kthx, that is dumb at best, and scummy at worst. -townpoints for you

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I haven't seen AGar do it, but this is actually the first game I've played with him since my first game on site over 2 years ago, so my meta on him is basically nonexistent.

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Yeah, I'm pretty much good with kthx being next. This page has been preeeettyyyyy bad.

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AGar is scummier.

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Plus, if he flips scum, then you're more likely to be scum as well.

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make it L-0 already please; he's refused to claim and we're accomplishing nothing sitting here insulting each other.

Kthx, if he flips town, I'll have to take a look at you (and the rest of the game) again. What makes you scummy are your interactions with the AGar wagon from a page or two ago. *shrug*

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Why? Do you really think he'll post something so mindbending that it will make us change our minds?

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Ok, that's legitimate. Fair enough?

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AGar trying to change the metas wooooo

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Just went over AGar's ISO and I'm still comfortable with this vote. He hasn't done anything useful all day, and his "I've totally read you guys" comment is scummy.

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Dear

God

AGar.

Saying you read

while clearly exhibiting that you hadn't

is, in fact, scummy.

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I don't believe you. *shrug*

There is the fundamental difference, and why you say don't I have a case.

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lollersauce

2 and a half years ago man

2 and a half years

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I would rather wait for what Agar has to say on D1 rather then lynching him atm

What, exactly, are you waiting for him to say? He's made plenty of posts.

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v/la for 3 days[\b]

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From what I know/remember, GNR is a chronic lurker, regardless of alignment or wagon size. I find it a nulltell from him, unless someone else has better / more reliable meta on him.

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v/la for 3 days[\b]

Yeeeaaah, I don't think so.
VOTE: quadz

First, to clarify: I'm in New York for work / brought Singer for our 1-year anniversary. So I may be able to post from work, but no guarantees, and I pretty much certainly won't be posting outside of work hours.

Second: fuck you. If you think I have so little respect for this game to lie about having shit to do IRL, then you can fuck right off.

I care about this game and this site

. Do not EVER insult my integrity like that again.

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Hi I'm back and gonna look at the game tonight hopefully.

woooo

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Time to re-read GNR again. I fucking finished a full re-read of D1

4 minutes after the thread was locked

. I was quite upset.

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I buy Kthx's claim. This doesn't necessarily imply that he's town.

Mod: If there is one mafia member remaining, would they be able to perform a night action in addition to a kill?

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I just want to make sure we don't write him off for no reason.

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If we're not going to massclaim (which is of questionable usefulness at this point, IMO), don't claim anything more than what you already have. Including your N2 action.

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UT knows what's goin' on

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Has he played a reck setup before / is he familiar with the stereotype?

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Damn you.

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He didn't hint at anything in regards to your alignment in that post at all?

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It's unreasonable for Reck

That's not enough PR's, and none of them are weird.

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You've been supportive of massclaim; being unwilling to claim yourself seems like a rather contradictory stance.

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It seemed pretty clear to me that kthx was trying to kick off a massclaim. (Granted, the massclaim is ill-advised, but the point remains that kthx was starting the massclaim and you refused to join in after repeatedly expressing your support for it.)

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So I don't get the 4T case. (Is there a case? I don't even think anyone has posted reasons yet.) I just ISO'd him, and he doesn't do anything that I find scummy. The only thing I saw was when he voted GNR, then literally 3-4 minutes later, unvotes and votes someone else (BB or Levi or something), as if he wants a vote for GNR in his history, but doesn't actually want to be voting for him. *shrug* That's not really enough on it's own, for me.

Anyone care to splain it?

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He did votehop a lot, I suppose. Hrm. I'll see how the day plays out on him.

GNR didn't give us much to work with in terms of buddy-tells (damn you, lurking scum), so we're kind of back at square one in a way. I have a couple of townreads, but I probably ought to re-read the thread (again >_>) and look for scumthings. I'll ISO DV right now, since I had some suspicion of him mid-D1.

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oh motherfucker DV is dead

never fucking mind

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What wagon analysis? I ISO'd you and couldn't find it.

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That has literally nothing at all to do with a wagon in any way, shape, or form.

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Well, regardless, all that's there is a list of his reads. There's no case or analysis, which is what I was asking for. I haven't seen anyone actually put forth reasons to want 4T dead.

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Oh!

Ok, that makes sense now.

Blarrrrrg I need to re-read D1 still. Has 4T even posted today?

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If this were under typical circumstances, I'd be fine with the D2 lynch on 4T (since he's useless) even though I've got a townish null on him. The issue with it is that if we're wrong and he's town, and three more NKs happen tonight, that's very possibly 2:2:1 tomorrow, which is shit-on-a-stick for town. I still haven't had a chance to re-read people, but I am unsure about the wisdom of this lynch, especially given the speed at which the wagon has built up.

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No, it's because the only scumthing I can find about him is that he's the only living player besdies me that wasn't on the GNR wagon, and everyone else that flipped is town.

wait, fuck hold on let me grok this a little further gimme a couple minutes here

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he and I only living people not on GNR wagon

I"m town, he is [?]

Assuming 2 scum + 1 SK (seems likely) then it's fully possible that the only other scum was on the GNR wagon; hard bus on GNR D1 probably not a bad plan, even with only 2 of them. That said, that scum would have to have some ballz to pull that off, and is probably at least decently experienced.

If it's a 3-man scumteam, then 4T is probably scum. And my earlier concern about 2:2:1 tomorrow is predicated on a 3-man scumteam + SK which is Pretty Unlikely anyway...

Ok yeah, nevermind. Not that concerned about lynching 4T today after all. I'm not gonna hammer cause I still wanna read shit today, but you can go ahead and pretend my earlier post doesn't exist, since my logic was basically shit.

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Or that, yes.

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I'm pretty sure UT is town. Him pointing out my 'slip' was from a town point-of-mind.

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Fair enough.

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Four Trouble

^ These people just read independently town? (I mean I guess FT can be scum? meh)

dude wtf

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"I am completely uninterested" is not a terribly great case for why we should keep you around. Get more interested, or replace out. *shrug*

I don't have any read on him, because there's no content to get a read from. *shrug*

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looking like 9:2:2 then

will be back after shopping adventures (yay new pants) to hopefully do some actual work on this game

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How do you figure? My 2:2:1 comment? Cause in my head that was 2 scum left on GNR's team + SK, sooooooo.

Gonna go do some rereading now.

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Got nothing out of BBMolla's ISO in terms of potential buds

But I did think of something: Interesting that UT would assume I meant 2 teams, when there's no evidence towards that at all.

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So I just ISOed Om. Through the beginning of his D1 posts, I became somewhat confident he was GNR's partner. Then I read the REST of his D1 posts, and my confidence dropped pretty like a rock. I was thinking "Not impossible, but unlikely. Not necessarily town, though." Then I read the rest of his posts and realized this:

HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS BBMOLLA'S PARTNER.

ISO HIM FOR MENTION OF BBMOLLA AND TELL ME WHAT LITTLE IS THERE ISN'T AWFUL.

VOTE: Om

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253 is him questioning a vote on BB.
Other than that, he makes no mention of molla. No description of his alignment. No discussion of his posts, no questions asked of him, not even any brief conversations had. This is newb-scum trying not to tie himself to his partner, 100%.

Also, I'm "Army" by Ben Folds Five, Inventor, breadcrumbed here (first letters of the words in the first line) and here (BFF = Ben Folds Five).

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I targeted UT both nights, but was blocked N1. I'd rather not mention what my items are; UT knows what he got last night, and he's the only one that needs to know for now, IMO.

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I was told that I still had an invention to send. And also, kthx claimed to have JK'ed me. So.

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Oh. Om is next.

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(Sorry, I want his claim ASAP.)

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oh, fuck, I totally missed that post from Reck

I guess d3x goes next, then.

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UT, why'd you shoot Molla?

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wanna give me some reasons why you thought he was fuckin scum?

Mod: How's the search for a replacement going?

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No that is not why I'm probing

I want an answer from you, and that does have an affect on what I think of certain living players.

Now stop avoiding the question and answer me.

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WOOOOOOO

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welcome to the party buddyboy

it's claimtime

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KJ lynch is where it's at today still. VT claim doesn't make me feel aaaaaany better about Om's interactions with Molla.

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Let us examine this post

What do you see in it that I'm missing? I'm having a hard time getting much of value out of it.

cuz he's a scum watcher

So what, are all the PRs scum except for the two of us? Cause you've also said "scumJK" and "scumBP" within the last page and a half.

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my god it's like playing with pie and gamma put together

P-Edit: oh! my bad UT good call there

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d3x, why wouldn't you say that when you claimed?

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d3x - yes

The biggest exclamation point I get from that post is his read on Zoidberg. Leaning town, but gets a bad vibe from his posts? Ehhhh. He's got a fencepost in his colon on that one.
Nothing else really stands out.

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Om's interactions with GNR in the 2nd half of D1 have me more-or-less convinced that he isn't GNR's buddy. That said, I"m like 100% sure that Om is werewolf, so I'm cool to lynch him anyway (obviously).

I would accept a Zoid lynch too, especially because I don't think I want a non-alignment confirmed BP around in LYLO.

P-EDIT: what merit is that, exactly? Who did you think you'd be catching outside of possibly the town vig?

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How exactly would you being suspicious of him lead to anyone 'setting you up'?

If he dies by scum's hand, then suspicion is going to fall on someone who thought he was townish.

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That's completely nonsensical. Rationality never even entered that scenario.

Regardless, we can lynch him now.

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"him" = Om

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It's likely that Molla was committing the Werewolf kill.
UT as the only claimed town killing role makes him pretty much certainly town, which I actually just realized right now because kdowns pointed it out.
Mafia kill didn't go through for x reason.

kdowns' plan makes sense, except for the non-zero chance that kthx is scum. Granted, if UT turns up dead, then we can pretty much lynch kthx the next day and assume that he's scum, unless one of the scumteams really do have an RB. I find that somewhat unlikely, though; if scum has an RB, it's probably the jailkeeper.

I'm comfortable with kdowns' plan for tonight, at least. We're at 5:1:1; worst case scenario is 4 dead town, which puts us in a 1:1:1 tomorrow with BP zoidberg definitely alive (since he's not the lynch for today).

Mod: In an endgame scenario of 1 BP town, 1 mafia goon, 1 werewolf goon, who wins if one of the goons are lynched?

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kthx: why lynch SAD and JK killer?

KJ: my baaaad

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I think KJ is scum and am unsure on SAD, so.

I think kthx's plan is better than kj's regardless of the mod's answer.

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There is also zoid's BP to take into account, though he's an unlikely scumkill.

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k yeah

I like kthx's plan

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except we should lynch killer first, IMO

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So I guess ideally we do this:

lynch KJ
UT shoots SAD (no reason to think zoidberg is lying about being BP, regardless of alignment)
kthx JKs zoid
d3x watches one of UT and kthx (DON'T TELL US WHICH) because one of them is almost certainly dead tonigh

At least 1 scum will be dead come tomorrow if we follow that plan.

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kay

kthx gets watched then, methinks


P-edit: how so?

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oh duh right

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then he's playing it all wrong, unless reck built a scum PGO, which I wouldn't actually put past him.

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KJ's last couple of posts (especially the most recent) definitely seems townish to me.... blarrrrrrrrrrg BUT OM WAS SO OBVIOUSLY MOLLA'S SCUMPARTNER

blah

leaving my vote there for now but I may be switching later if the mood strikes / kj keeps being townish

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Man

I can't tell if you're scum or just awful at reads.

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I thought AGar was scummier than GNR all through D1. I was wrong. It happens. *shrug*

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OH MY GOD TOWN WAS WRONG IN A MAFIA GAME
ALERT THE PRESSES
SOUND THE ALARM

p-edit: there was also the fact that I was out of town and v/la for the end of the day, and frankly, wasn't paying that much attention for a couple of days up to that point either.

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d3x needs to watch a PR that isn't UT. (me/kthx, pretty much)

Also, I'm comfortable with a zoid lynch, for the reasons UT stated.

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KJ he can't shoot zoid if zoid is actually BP.

And yeah, I'm done with the KJ vote. He's been wayyy too town today for me to leave me vote here, despite Om's play.

UNVOTE:

We need agreement on the plan tonight before the hammer goes down. Was gonna drop the L-1 vote, but KJ beat me to it.

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oh herpderp strongman duyyyy

d3x needs to watch a PR that isn't UT.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes I do.

I don't feel it's necessary at this point to reveal what they are. No reason to give the scums more information than they need.

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Shit, I'm still reading the last 4-5 pages. I'm going off of the plan laid out in 1031 or 1027?

1027. Don't tell the scum who you're watching, they'll know which person to kill (hint: it will be the other one)

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So uhhhh

UT won that game for town pretty much. The BBMolla kill saved the goddamn day.

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^^^

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And the inventor gave out to town both times.

And was going to on N1 but had been jailkept.

Town played really well as a whole, I think.

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<3 WOOOO

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AGar I love you and I am sorry <3