Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

[FourTrouble]

Vote DeasVail

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I'm starting to get confused, and I hate being confused during RVS

Nothing out of the ordinary here yet, why you confused?

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Vote BBmolla

Seriously, how can you say others ain't contributing when you're using your vote on someone just so they replace out... if you actually thought GNR was scummy, that'd be another story.

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i think he answered himself here pretty well, and also how the HELL does that action make him scummy in the slightest and deserve a vote for it? =P i say it doesn't. unless you and GNR are a scum team and you are trying to throw the trail off of your buddy. =P THAT would make sense.

His answer wasn't that good, not sure what you're talking about. The action makes him scummy because 1) he voting someone he don't actually think is scummy as opposed to people he thinks are scummy, and 2) it's hypocrisy.

Explain the whoel bit about how I'm trying to "throw the trail" off GNR? I'm pretty sure I was the first one to find a problem with his confusion and lack of a stance... The fact my vote is on BB don't mean I think GNR is town - both looking like scum right now.

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Let's talk about not contributing. You got force-replaced from [ongoing game] for being prodded too many times. What assurances do we have you won't do that this game?

Yea, trying to discredit me on the basis of actions that occurred in a different game? Pretty scummy. FOS on Zoid.

[FourTrouble]

Do you feel that your ability to read me is greater than zoidberg's?

Weird questions, feels contrived. Not even sure what you trying to accomplish.

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leviathan, you sure you find this good:

Oh I think he's scummy, and I made it clear I didn't like his post earlier within my post.

But I have a hard time telling between GNR being scummy and GNR being GNR.

So I figure I vote him and he either replaces out after fear lurking or produces more content.

We'll just wait and see.

What I see is BBmolla saying: I'm gonna lodge my vote on the easiest guy to vote - GNR - even though I ALWAYS have a problem reading GNR, and then I'm just gonna wait for the guy to either replace out or produce content, though I expect he'll replace out so I'm just wasting my vote for now, cause either way I can't tell if GNR is scummy or just being GNR, so I'm just gonna sit around without doing anything helpful, even though I'm critisizing GNR (and Four and Zoid) for not doing anything either.

It's a great move to make as scum, cause now BB don't have to produce any content himself. He can just sit there and say he's waiting for GNR to make a move.

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I note without surprise that you didn't answer the question.

You referring to me? I'm pretty sure the question was not directed at me.

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Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

Still not sure of this, but the best place for my vote right now I think.

I'm not seeing where you concluded SAD was scum in your interaction with him - help me out here, please.

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So you think I'm bussing?

You sure as hell didn't seem nearly as committed to your vote as the other people voting GNR, so it definitely has crosssed my mind.

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The only reason I see not to believe BB is cause of the way he claimed. Why would you ask GNR, "what have you to say," if you got a guilty on him? How would GNR's response change anything?

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kthxbye, why you so quick to believe BB's claim?

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@BB

If you wanted to get him talking, wouldn't it have been smarter to hold off on claiming? Your actions ain't making sense, nor are your justifications.

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I don't like the Agar lynch, doesn't seem like scum to me. GNR is a much better lynch.

Vote GNR

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Actually, not convinced BB is town. Gut tells me he's scum, pretty much every other post of his.

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unvote Vote BBmolla

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I'm not finding anyone other than AGar particularly scummy right now (and even that's not really able to be explained).

Other than that, it's mostly null reads and weak town reads.

This is a pretty pathetic post. If you gonna start a game out bold, you gotta live up to those expectations. I don't see that happening.

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kthxbye, your case on Agar is pretty terrible.

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A belief that claiming is detrimental to town is not inherently scummy or towny - it's just one principle a player can hold among many other competing ones. The fact Agar is sticking to his principles is giving me a good town-read. Scum would have probably claimed something by now.

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Vote Zoid

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@Kthxbye

A: I never said that was your case.
B: How does my post seem "informed"? What knowledge am I supposedly betraying that I shouldn't have?

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@DV

So you are saying if GNR is town, then Zoid is town too? I don't understand the logic there, explain please.

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So, I don't think he would so enthusiastically push GNR's lynch, while also stating that BBmolla is to be lynched if GNR flips town, out of fear that he would be perceived as incredibly scummy once they both do flip town.

I don't get this, either. Why would Zoid's post make him scummy if both BB and GNR are town?

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FT: This...

"The fact Agar is sticking to his principles is giving me a good town-read."

Fuck his principles. Not claiming doesn't do ANYTHING to help town. ESPECIALLY as a PR as I thought his one post hinted at. He's scummy for lying multiple times. Add in the sorta 'soft claim' with 'I'm not claiming' mentality....not a town mindset.

1. I disagree. I've refused to claim as town before and can imagine any number of reasons for doing so. What I don't see is the scum-motivation for refusing to claim, besides which I don't see much of a case against Agar to begin with. He stuck to principles, and sticking to principles even badly-reasoned ones is towny.

2. You didn't answer my question. What does our disagreement over a theoretical matter (whether sticking to principles is towny, and whether refusing to claim is scummy) have to do with being informed? How does that betray knowledge I shouldn't have?

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Kthxbye is our scum, guys. I don't see any of the excitement townies usually feel when they think they've caught scum. He's not even voting for me when he thinks I'm scum 100% regardless of how Agar flips. His reasoning sucks, starts with a conclusion and justifies it later. His unvoting and revoting is pretty shady, too.

Vote Kthxbye

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Just making my scum read on you even better FT. OMGUS much? I call you scum, and you vote me. Classic scum.

My vote wasn't OMGUS, besides OMGUS ain't a scum-tell.

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Vote Zoidberg

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Also, something still feels wrong about BB's posts. I'd put Zoid and BB down as scum. I'll post some more analysis later tonight after I go through D1 more thoroughly.

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I'm town, vanilla.

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BB and Zoid, that's who you guys should take a look at.

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Woah, I didn't suspect d3x at all... surprised Town won to be honest. I'm glad I called BB and Zoid though, at least I wasn't totally off. Sorry for the drop in activity and my eventual lynch as a result though.