Mini 1415: Fairly Oddparents Mafia Game Over

[Balrog]

Alright, here's how this game can play out. We all have 2 wishes. We can use them in the same Night phase. We all use our wishes on Night 1 to Cop the person above and below us on the player list. This will result in an instant town victory. Backfired Cop results will provide an innocent result on the player they were used on, and using both of our wishes on two different people removes any possible outliers of the scum being able to hide, unless all three of them are in a row on the player list, which would just be silly.

So, here's the Night 1 plan:

-L- Cops Vifam and adorkable
adorkable Cops -L- and Balrog
Balrog Cops adorkable and Benmage
Benmage Cops Balrog and captaineddie
captaineddie Cops Benmage and Human Destroyer
Human Destroyer Cops captaineddie and kiwieagle
kiwieagle Cops Human Destroyer and Klick
Klick Cops kiwieagle and MrZephyr
MrZephyr Cops Klick and PeregrineV
PeregrineV Cops MrZephyr and Sanjay
Sanjay Cops PeregrineV and Seanald
Seanald Cops Sanjay and Vifam
Vifam Cops Seanald and -L-.

This is effectively playing the game in a fashion similar to Texas Justice Mafia, where everyone Vigs the person below them, resulting in about a 70% chance that the town will win. However, our chances increase substantially because we're not Vigging everyone and everyone will get an opportunity to post their results. It shouldn't be hard to discern whose wishes backfired based on who was Nightkilled, so we effectively have the game won by Day 2.

Alternatively, we could all use one wish to Cop the person below us and then take turns reviving dead townies, but that just seems lame and inefficient, especially since we'd have to coordinate who's wishing so as to make it effective (thus using 3 wishes a Night just to revive one person) and we could really only revive 3 townies that way, anyway. It just seems like a poor use of resources.

Any takers on this game-winning plan? Or would you guys prefer to play it in a manner that doesn't allow us to win instantly? I'd have suggested a mass Vigging but that just seems silly, given that we will literally end the game on Night 1 (unless, again, the scum are all in a row on the player list) with everyone dead.

There's no sense in lynching toDay if we opt to go with this plan, as it decreases our resources.

[Balrog]

Also, each new rule regarding wishing is a result of questions I asked Q.

[Balrog]

*Backfired wishes will result in an opposite result, is what I meant to say.

[Balrog]

I really don't wanna be chained down

Is this directed towards my plan?

[Balrog]

So you are disagreeing with the greatest chance the town has to win on the premise of, "I want to make silly wishes"?

[Balrog]

Cool, we found our first scum. Thanks for volunteering to die.

[Balrog]

Compelling rebuttal.

[Balrog]

What benefit would that be to the town, Vifam?

[Balrog]

How dare you try to have fun while we're playing a game.

[Balrog]

Didn't mod say something about not gaming the game... Sounds like Bal's gaming.

I'm relatively certain that "using your ability to optimum efficiency" isn't "finding a loophole in the rules".

mhm

What is your rolename?

Tell me I'm pretty.

OP says scum have falseclaims. Why does my rolename matter?

[Balrog]

Why not? It doesn't hurt anything and I think it gives some extra spice to the game

You didn't tell me I'm pretty.

[Balrog]

thanks mom

[Balrog]

But you puny Anti-Fairies hiding amongst these children should not try to use the Magic Muffins, because it will not work on you.

.

[Balrog]

"hiding"

[Balrog]

how else would Anti-Fairies be mistaken for human children

[Balrog]

I don't see how it requires a huge leap, given that it only requires the reading comprehension of an 8-year old and a knowledge of common Mafia game themes.

I've already told you my rolename.

[Balrog]

Then it's no wonder you can't discern "the scum have falseclaims" from "the Anti-Fairies are hiding amongst the human children", because I certainly have.

[Balrog]

thanks mom

If this was it this was friggin' garbage, Balrog. Lots of people have mothers.

Don't play dumb.

[Balrog]

[Balrog]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that your team can't make wishes without knowing a player's role name, then, Vifam.

[Balrog]

*can't make wishes backfire

JFC I need to get some sleep.

[Balrog]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that your team can't make wishes without knowing a player's role name, then, Vifam.

The only scumteam in this game can't make wishes

I'm pretty sure you'll find the correction to my typo in the post after the one you quoted here.

[Balrog]

*can't make wishes backfire

JFC I need to get some sleep.

Oh.

That seems like a pretty stupid thing to add when the townies already have the ability to wish for anything they goddam please. But we all have our crazy theories

Well, we can wish to have our wishes not Backfire, so...

[Balrog]

But that's even lamer than what I came up with.

[Balrog]

why would we do that

[Balrog]

But there are rules. And we can't make the mod do anything, so that hampers the fun I can have.

[Balrog]

I already asked that. We can't make the mod do anything.

[Balrog]

I do enjoy Jenga.

[Balrog]

I'll wish you dead if you try.

[Balrog]

And then I can use my second wish to make you un-invincible, Vifam.

The ball is in your court.

[Balrog]

Why would they do that, unless you're on their team?

King captured.

[Balrog]

Anyway, I've had my opening-game spamfest fun. I have to be up for work in 3 hours, so I'm gonna sleep. I'll check up on you kids later. Before I go:

VOTE: Vifam, as I sense absolutely nothing he posts will be of any value for the remainder of the game if he's town and he's pretty much declared himself scum twice as it is anyway.

[Balrog]

I just asked Q and apparently wishes can change alignment. Mafia claim. We change them to town. BOOM.

Broke the game in three wishes.

I'm soooo impressed Balrog half-broke the game with 20.

Yeah, I asked that after you mentioned the Cult thing. Not impressed.

FoS:PeregrineV

I like the commitment you show here by not actually voting your scumspect.

Now this game is all serious mode and I really didn't like Balrog's posting.

Why not? I'm beautiful.

-

Hey PV, what game was it that you played on MTGS?

-

Don't Restart

I just didn't like how he wanted to control that game right off the bat and it seemed like anybody who disagreed with him was already scum in his book.
I don't see the point in playing the game if it's not going to be any fun. Defeats the point of this being a Mafia game.
It's not vote worthy imo, I was just pointing out that I didn't like his posting. Plus spamming us to page 5 before I could even start reading the game makes me less inclined to like you.
Sorry, not sorry.

diaf (not sure if I'm serious about that yet)

If there is Chad, Tad definitely has to be in this game, right?

dat modgaming

Woops. I'm Tad. I thought Tad was the black one, but I'm the white one and the white one is Tad.
I got the names confused. Sorry.
Visual memory and all that stuff...

UNVOTE: Vifam, VOTE: Vote MrZepher (guess I was serious)

You get an IMAGE of the kid you have in the PM, unless you are blind there is no way you could mistake black skin and white skin

I know that I was the one with white skin. I just thought he was Chad. He's Tad. That's my mistake.

Color me unconvinced.

Why not? I just thought it'd be interesting

I don't watch the show all the time, but isn't some teacher always after the fairies? I can imagine scum gaining something from picking off specific characters.

Teacher =/= Kid

You keep rubbing me the wrong way. Any particular reason why you're choosing to act like this?

Also, I got a sort of "testing the waters, do I dare to jump in?" vibe from this post.

I'm a little torn to be fair. But would scum really attempt to call out an obviously protown plan, and a protown player? Doubtful in my opinion. I think they'd be more like "oh shit oh shit oh shit" Than actually call Bal out.

I disagree, I think Zepher felt some anti-Balrog emotions in the pool and decided to stick his toe in the water.

Klick, why is grine town?

Two reasons.

1.

No restart.

Things are fine the way they are.

I guess the best question to ask is

@NumQ- How much coordination are we allowed to have/use?

I never said you couldn't coordinate. It's the game breaking I don't like.

2.

Why not? I just thought it'd be interesting

I don't watch the show all the time, but isn't some teacher always after the fairies? I can imagine scum gaining something from picking off specific characters.

This quote, knowing that the Anti-Fairies are the scum, makes me feel that Peregrine isn't one of them.

I think this is all null.

I agree with HD, nothing there proves town.

Pedit: Yeah his complain about not breaking the setup seem a little disingenuous. As does his in thread mod question.

Yep. Tryhard for town credit, much, eh? (Not you, him.)

Also I get the gut feeling that Kiwi's vote on Vifam is more than just an RVS.....

Based on? Substantiate. Gut reads can always be explained.

So here are the okay lynches:
kiwieagle
L
Grine
Zeph

Holy shit, you made a post I agree with.

Okay.

Thanks for the content, plan to contribute any time soon?

[Balrog]

And all the little townies lay snuggled in their beds
While visions of Balrog danced in their heads.

[Balrog]

@Zepher: That's why it's RVS. It's garbage. Can you explain to me what you hoped to gain by criticizing the first half of my posts in the part of the game that's reserved for silly debacles?

@captaineddie: RE: #5: No.

[Balrog]

Balrog: Do you still think Vifam is scum? (Is he bussing his buddy?)

Unfortunately, I'm not the best at telling dumb from scum when motive isn't clear.

Hey PV, I asked you a question.

[Balrog]

I don't see the scum motivation from Vifam here.

Do you see town motivation?

"We can't proved he pissed in your Wheaties, but he has a dick and a bladder, so he probably did."

Give me a break.

For the record, I was referring to the question where I asked you what game on MTGS you played in. But you're welcome to answer my other question, as well, as it's pretty obvious when my questions are meant to be rhetorical. (Hint: That wasn't a rhetorical question.)

@Balrog

- Can you group the players in groups of three, excluding yourself?

Group them into what, exactly?

I feel like it goes without saying that PV's Vifam case is uncompelling.

This.

[Balrog]

Also Balrog I am not dumb, ur dumb, You are the dumb one. YOU are the one who is not intelligent

ok

For the record, I was referring to the question where I asked you what game on MTGS you played in. But you're welcome to answer my other question, as well, as it's pretty obvious when my questions are meant to be rhetorical. (Hint: That wasn't a rhetorical question.)

Oh yeah. I actually never got to play on MTGS. I signed up because a group came from the WOTC boards, but there wasn't enough room in the game PK set up. I tried to replace into other games, but was too slow. Since it was becoming another forum to check, I just stuck with the two I already have.

Ah. I remembered seeing your name, I just didn't recall if you actually played and I didn't see you in the player list in Emo_Pinata's game, which is the one I thought you had played in.

In post 273, PeregrineV wrote:
@Balrog- Can you group the players in groups of three, excluding yourself?


Group them into what, exactly?

Groups of three players that can investigate each other tonight. We are allowed to organize, so having groups of three allows for pretty good coverage yet reduces the gamebreakiness of the first plan.

I would rather you choose the groups, since you are my strongest townread.

I thought we weren't going to do that.

[Balrog]

Hey guys, I'm beginning to come around to the idea that Zepher simply doesn't know how to play Mafia.

Who wants to lynch -L- with me?

UNVOTE: Zepher, VOTE: -L-

[Balrog]

My read on PeregrineV is that I want to punch him.

He's also probably scum.

[Balrog]

why do you guys only post when I am asleep

[Balrog]

...and how do you play Mafia without reads, dear -L-?

[Balrog]

I will be better by next day - the pace of this mafia game is out of my league.

In the beginning I suspected vifam for not liking balrog's plan, and the wording he chose (I thought he was a she too) to make a case for townies getting their wishes. It almost sounded as though he were outside the group, speaking of the group. And then his inane question to me - trying to sound productive - asking what I thought about Sanjay getting the role Sanjay. Really?

From there the thread went at the speed of light with all the chatter.

Sounds like an excuse to active lurk to me.

At this point, I find it really hard for Sanjay and V to be scum. I'd be more interested in hearing from the ones idle in this game, instead of the ones being an easy lynch. It's true if you ISO -L- it seems that she's a very very conservative player, but I'm unwilling to lynch someone based on that and before we get more information out of this day. Heck, there's 19ish days left. Lets use that, wishes can come later =P. (Though I already have my wish down and it's gonna be AWESOMEEE *insert musical cue here*)

Oh look, we found L's scumbuddy.

Balrog appears to have a similar reputation, but feels scummy to me.

I don't have a reputation. Not one that anyone here knows, anyway.

Didn't you say I seemed town earlier? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?

I'd like to replace out.

Busted.

[Balrog]

I'm convinced.

Related: Where are the sarcasm tags?

[Balrog]

Did you agree with Klick's reads at the time, or were you just adding your name on to Klick's townlist for no reason?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: -L-

Is anybody actually believing that -L-'s town? If not... do we even bother replacing that slot? It's kinda mean to make someone read through 13 pages of fluff only to be lynched a couple of posts later.

obv bus

[Balrog]

We've got plenty of time and resources to do that.

[Balrog]

You mean Votecount?

You're just all kinds of nervous, aren't you?

[Balrog]

Seriously, you guys, check this game out.

This is too good.

Unvote

Vote: Benmage

I think Benmage is more likely busing here rather than going for a mislynch, but this is a 100% genuine ungenuine post we have here. Benmage is mafia.

Did you consider that Benmage could be playing differently here because, I dunno, maybe...he was the Doctor in that game?

[Balrog]

I feel like the derisive tone in my last post was lost in translation. Oh well. The downfalls of speaking on the internet.

[Balrog]

How does him being a doctor in that game have anything to do with it?

He is intimately acquainted with -L-'s replacing out as town under pressure.

Yet, when he sees -L- replacing out as town here, he's like "yup, there's your scum".

Has -L- replaced out as scum before? I'm not seeing enough data to come to the same conclusion you are. His being a Doctor can drastically affect the way he played that game, versus this game where everyone knows what everyone else is. We don't have to play close to the chest because we're in a uniform open setup.

I also think you're putting too much weight on your meta arguments.

[Balrog]

Because, Sanjay, you can't expect a player who's not super-experienced and widely heralded as a fantastic player (not that I would know who's heralded around here) to play exactly the same way in every game with every role. That's asinine.

[Balrog]

Slept late. Post later.

[Balrog]

@kiwi: Then vote me. I don't ever recall stating that I was confused, only that I was not always capable of discerning awful town from scum. As the quality of his posting has not improved since then, I can only presume that this is how he always plays. What exactly was so terrible about my reason for voting him initially?

@L: I can't quote when I'm phone posting but rest assured that I will deconstruct your last post sufficiently.

[Balrog]

Aw. The mod accidentally confirmed me as town. That's no fun.

[Balrog]

Maybe I'll wish to be a Jester toNight.

[Balrog]

All the townies wish to be Jesters so we all just lynch each other until we win!

[Balrog]

Let's discuss Night strategy.

Obviously it's a bad idea to wish for any kills because if those backfire, we die instead. I fully expect to get backfired toNight since I am all but confirmed at this point and I will be wishing accordingly.

As fun as the idea is, changing alignments is probably a bad idea because Q said he wouldn't tell me what happens if you wish to become a Neutral and you get backfired.

Copping and Doccing people seems okay still, since that backfired would result in an incorrect result or a Vig shot. We could also revive dead townies.

I wonder what would happen if we all wished to be Bulletproof.

[Balrog]

We could use the second wish as a Vig shot. :p

[Balrog]

And no Balrog, you're not confirmed town wtf.

Someone can't read between the lines.

So, turns out I'm super busy today. If I can, I'll dissect L's post tomorrow, but I got called in to work from 0000-1200 so we'll see. If I do, it'll be at night.

[Balrog]

kiwi's case on me can't be serious. He HAS to be trolling me. There's no way anyone can be that bad at Mafia.

Still haven't gotten to my computer. I'll probably be able to at some point tonight - within 24 hours.

[Balrog]

Oh and HD is probably scum. Which means PV might be town after all.

[Balrog]

@L: All in good time, my dear.

@kiwi: Would you prefer I call you scum and push your wagon instead of stupid? Why would I have asked the mod 500000 questions about what I can and can't wish for in the pre-game? Do you see any downside to my initial plan of 'COP EVERYONE'? Q didn't - that's why he banned us from committing to my plan. He even commended me for it - why would the mod publicly say, 'Good job finding a way to make your team lose!' if I were scum? The way he phrased it basically clears me. I'm sorry your reading comprehension hasn't passed the 3rd grade level, but you, L, and Zeph are the only people who don't seem to realize the subtext IS there. You say I'm not a good player, but you don't even know how I play. And this is coming from the guy whose garbage case on the nearly-confirmed town is based on an absolute lie! Get over yourself, dude. Seriously.

[Balrog]

Wait, wasn't I your #1 scumspect a few pages ago? What changed? I must have missed it.

[Balrog]

How do you feel about HD?

[Balrog]

Hint: We probably think the same HD post is weird.

[Balrog]

Nice slip.

No worries, I plan to back most of what I'm saying up when I can post from my computer.

That's what, the 5th time I've had to remind you all of that?

[Balrog]

Wow, did my last post get deleted?

[Balrog]

oh my god you are so scum

[Balrog]

@Zepher: I don't remember a single post Klick has made.

[Balrog]

Wow, L. It hasn't even been 2 full days. I haven't been home in the past 48 hours. This is the last goddamn time that I'm going to repeat that I can NOT vote and I can NOT quote when I'm phone posting. I told you I would try to get to you at some point tonight. To push a little further, you mentioned people's observations of my meta - you're going to have to excuse me for calling you out for being full of shit, given that nobody here KNOWS my meta. Which I've stated at least once. But wait, you would know all of this if you had actually ISO'd me like you claimed. Whoops?

You say I'm not scumhunting. Okay, let's run through a mental activity here. What actions do you qualify as scumhunting? Feel free to provide as many reasons as possible for why you perceive scumhunting in the manner that you do.

[Balrog]

Okay. I'm awake, and I'm at my laptop. Looking for the post I need to be demolishing.

[Balrog]

Actually, I'm rereading the thread and I've decided the scum team is PV, Klick, and HD. Any questions?

UNVOTE: -L-, VOTE: PV

Willing to lynch any of those three toDay.

[Balrog]

Well, if I'm wrong about one of them, I'd accept captaineddie as a replacement scum.

[Balrog]

@HD: Remember that post where you basically projected no opinions of your own and asked everyone else what they thought about everything else? That was the first one that caught my eye. Then I put some pressure on you and you posted like 18 times in a row. That's totally squeamish scum behavior.

[Balrog]

I couldn't help but notice, eddie, that you put me below your Null line and not above it.

[Balrog]

Also, HD, self-meta isn't that compelling a defense, particularly given that I don't know your meta.

[Balrog]

Then why did you feel the need to point out that you do it as town?

[Balrog]

"Let me just say a bunch of words now that I'm under scrutiny" strikes me as nervous, like the person who does it has something to hide.

I'm pretty sure town have nothing to hide, particularly in an open setup such as this one.

[Balrog]

"Let me just say a bunch of words now that I'm under scrutiny" strikes me as nervous, like the person who does it has something to hide.

I'm pretty sure town have nothing to hide, particularly in an open setup such as this one.

You first made the jump to me being nervous, then made another jump from that to I have something to hide

Your logic is baseless

Sorry, I thought you understood how Mafia is played. My fault for making such a presumption.

[Balrog]

This game is reminding me why I hate MS's meta.

[Balrog]

I haven't seen Benmage do anything scummy.

[Balrog]

People I am okay with lynching:

PV
Klick
HD
captaineddie
Benmage I guess

People I respect in this game:

Balrog
Sanjay

Days that have dragged on long enough and need to end:

Day 1

[Balrog]

Yes I did HD.

[Balrog]

That wasn't my only point against you, HD.

[Balrog]

No it's not. Feel free to continue to strawman, though.

[Balrog]

Hey HD I did restate the other point against you. At least once. But I welcome your lies and slander as they further illustrate my point against you.

Where the fuck did L go?

[Balrog]

As I recall didn't Balrog and Adorkable have points of contention with you?

Well that would certainly be why I'm on his wagon, no?

@HD: I hate, hate, HATE repeating myself. So, no u.

[Balrog]

I fucking hate when I post a post and it doesn't go through because someone else posts and I X out before it tells me that.

@Zepher: Yes, that would be why I'm on his wagon.

@HD: I hate, hate, HATE repeating myself. So, no u.

[Balrog]

Wait really? Wtf.

[Balrog]

I suppose it did.

[Balrog]

I don't see how that isn't akin to repeating myself.

[Balrog]

Did Klick post who he got warned about? I'm pretty sure Benmage is scum at this point, but did we just see kiwi get confirmed as scum?

Also, confirming that I am in the Neighborhood with Mr. Rogers, -L-, and Benmage.

I wished that the person who Backfired my wish would survive the Night.

[Balrog]

Oh look, Benmage claimed an anti-town role. VOTE: Benmage

[Balrog]

I thought he specifically stated that he was told not to do it again.

[Balrog]

Precisely.

[Balrog]

I'm disappointed that this game has come down to 'Who fucked up their Night action' over behavioral analysis.

[Balrog]

I'm probably wishing for the same thing toNight.

[Balrog]

"I changed my alignment to SK, therefore it's your fault that you're lynching me"

dat logic

[Balrog]

Are you really that naive that you can't think more than 1 step ahead?

I wish myself back town/suicide, saves you a lynch.

Fucking simple.

Yes, let's trust the person who has a different alignment from us to not fuck us over! What a great plan.

"I changed my alignment to SK, therefore it's your fault that you're lynching me"

dat logic

Unfortunately, that omits the main point. Hooked on Phonics, look it up.

I'm quite familiar with the English language, thank you. My mommy gave me Hooked on Phonics when I was a wee little Balrog.

The main point is that you chose to play against the majority's win condition, for which you must die.

Why would I ever be lynched? I'm the only one who confirm they did a wish action. L and Balrog can confirm this.

Nothing can confirm Vifam's statement. Moreover He doesn't know if he was backfired (albiet assuming Zeph is scum as well saving his call) ....Or Vifam was scum, and lied but on a true townie.

**Zeph needs to claim what he asked the mod.

****Note Also scum could backfire two people!

Confirm what? That I made us all neighbors and you essentially got pissed? Sure, I'll confirm that. Why did you get so upset?

Why did you make us neighbors?

@Mod: How did you allow a single ability to target two people in one Night? You told me that you could not make such a wish.

[Balrog]

Are you really that naive that you can't think more than 1 step ahead?

I wish myself back town/suicide, saves you a lynch.

Fucking simple.

Yes, let's trust the person who has a different alignment from us to not fuck us over! What a great plan.

If I didn't stick to my word, you lynch tomorrow, durrrrrrr. It would be stupid for me not to. Again, try to pretend that you can think more than 1 step ahead.

Oh yes, let's potentially waste a Night of information and generate a potential mislynch for toDay over confirmed anti-town with the chance to be at a higher-risk situation, as well as potentially let you get a kill in - but no, you're right, we should do the stupid thing and leave the SK alone.

[Balrog]

Oh right, except you chose to be an SK instead of a Vig. DIAF.

[Balrog]

Hey Sanjay, did you like my wish?

[Balrog]

Oh also didn't we decide kiwi was scum? VOTE: kiwieagle

[Balrog]

I wished that Sanjay could make his role more awesome :3

[Balrog]

Oh, since you're a treestump now, your vote won't count. :/ GOOD JOB VIFAM D<

[Balrog]

Oh man, I was about to flip the fuck out because I forgot we already lynched an Anti-Fairy. Because we couldn't have controlled the lynch toDay with two non-voters and three scum alive. :/

GOOD THING THERE'S ONE DOWN

@Vifam: Oh, I thought by "taking his role" you were also taking on the "dead" part. Okay.

[Balrog]

kill kiwi

[Balrog]

Really? You only got an extra shot from my wish? I'm disappointed, Sanjay.

[Balrog]

Cool, so, confirmed players:

L
Balrog
eddie
HD
Zepher

So it's either Seanald or Vifam.

Seanald, did you wish last Night? If so, what for? If not, why not?

So yeah, we win. Wanna give up now? Because you can't stop us from lynching the only two non-confirmed players at this point.

[Balrog]

I can dig it.

VOTE: Vote Seanald

GG?

[Balrog]

I'm not having fun yet

[Balrog]

I confirmed L's wish.

[Balrog]

I'm clarifying that L is town.

[Balrog]

If you got a Cop result, where is our Daykill?

[Balrog]

My phone just ate my post. I'll repost it tomorrow.

[Balrog]

Seanald, your wish was impossible according to the rules - so I knew you were lying either way.

[Balrog]

So, let me see if I can remember what I said earlier.

Obviously the game was overly town-sided. That's a given. If you revise the setup, Q, consider a mass 1-Shot Backfire that can be used in addition to the NK.

As I said, I was disappointed that this game came down to "let's see who can confirm themselves with their wishes". Though I guess it's for the best since almost the entire town's play was so awful that every single one of my scum reads was wrong.

Sanjay, you were wonderful and maybe we'll play together again someday - that would be cool.

I disliked that the town didn't know what would happen if their wishes backfired. While I agree that the scum needed an extra leg to stand on, depriving the town of information that should be given to them is definitely not the way to go about it. Also, Q, if you want me to run some more game-breaking scenarios by you when you revise the setup so you can make "Da Rulez" more cohesive to the setup initially without having to retroactively change everything, let me know.

I liked the premise of the setup but knew it would ultimately be a town victory simply because of how overpowered we were. Consider dropping the town down to 1 wish each, as well.

I think that's everything. If anyone has any questions, let me know.

[Balrog]

Oh right, I'm still disappointed I couldn't be a Cult Leader who recruited SKs. That would have been the best role.