The Reckoning II: Invitational - BLOODY CONCLUSION!

[Nuwen]

kdowns

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kdowns

[Nuwen]

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[Nuwen]

unvote, vote: Reck

[Nuwen]

Let me tell you about Reck implosions.

[Nuwen]

Reck didn't respond well to Fate's initial accusation. The labor behind this post surprised me more than anything up to that point.

But getting beyond that point and into the next couple pages, I think we should cut Reck loose. I've seen enough to make me

unvote, vote UT

I'm cozy enough to vote with my former scumread, this should tell you a lot about how shiny and nice UT's wagon is.

[Nuwen]

I'll show my work for the class btw

Reck isn't scum. Agree/disagree, UT?

[Nuwen]

oh but first

Adorkable comes in, does nothing, posts a shitty list with Nuwen as scum when she's made two fluff posts, posts "see you on D2" and leaves. They're just

trying to create a persona

that involves not delving into conversation but instead being cool,

BTW adorkable is going to be lynched today unless trollie derps the fuck out of the day phase

Matt, you're correct about the bolded but prob wrong about the scum part. Maybe. The nhammen vote is trash and useless but I think those adjectives describe the slot no matter what yo

I also don't want to touch the voteless slot D1.

If those two things are off the table, what else comes to mind Matt?

[Nuwen]

I'm really not seeing what made you decide UT is town, Fate. You quoted one piece of his LATER townhunting and missed the part entirely where he thinks Reck is town but is really remaining silent on the whole Reck vs. Fate scream match until it pans out.

[Nuwen]

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[Nuwen]

itemized list

1. Reck
   : Introducing new/questionable/false information is a bad tactic to lynch scum. If you haaaaven't noticed, the last couple pages have all been about your stupid claim, Adorkable, and your stupid claim. Do you see what kdowns is currently doing? You just made it REALLY difficult to tell whether kdowns is easily distracted, or looking for material to scoop up.
   
   
   
   
2. 
   
   
   
   
   
3. I'm inclined to give nhammen a pass today for one very important thing he said/did. Why the ~pressure~
   Gamma
   ? Ignoring the Reck claim is good play. Ignoring the Reck play to pick into the neighbors instead is weird, can you explain plz
   

[Nuwen]

well the fact that matt is voting kdowns as a consequence just makes it all the much more difficult to lynch scum if both of those people are town, and I'm inclined to say at the very least matt is town here or unwilling to bus (lol)

so, in summary, you make it hard for us to have nice things

[Nuwen]

not answering that question for obvious reasons Nuwen

What

[Nuwen]

not answering that question for obvious reasons Nuwen

What

Nuwen

First of all how often has me explaining my reads
a. made any sense to you
b. allowed you to read me better
c. made any sense to you

Do it anyway? Right now I don't think you had a read on UT at all at the time and prob put him on your town list as an incidental to Reck-scum, and I want to know why you're neither calling me FOO nor agreeing with me while still talking a lot.

I'm also agreeing with your scum read and haven't taken flak soooo

~~~

Gamma is my second scum pick today after the recent Reck vote and meeeh coastdon'tcare response to neighbors. The meeeh could be anything though so we'll let him coast to D2 and change our minds.

The only other actual options for a LYNCH today are Axxle, kdowns, Grimmjow, Ythan. I don't want to lynch any of these four more than I want to lynch UT right now.

[Nuwen]

Serious question time Reck

You skipped straight to calling Fate scum after he called you scum. There was never a negotiate-y period, just balls to the walls 1v1 f2f level stuff. The only moment where you stop to smell the vag is here:

Hey Fate.

GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YA BUUUUUUUUUUDDY.

#1) Why does voting UT mean "OH FUCK NO"? Is he your scum buddy? If not, why do you not want me to vote him?

#2) What crumb is it you think MattP saw? I don't either he ever gave any indication he was reading a crumb for me, and I never crumbed anything, either.

#3) What does "being in it for the long haul" have anymore to do with scum than town?

#4) You played in Gay Mafia 1. Gay Mafia 2 is ongoing. I modded those games, helped write flavor, modded in flamboyant rainbow font, and yet you ask "WHEN HAS RECK EVER BEEN THIS BLATANTLY GAY"? I also did the same thing during Always On Mafia, another game that you were in, where I posted in rainbow font.

#5) Why is explaining my reads scummy? Are you honestly insinuating that it is anti-town to explain your reads?

And these questions aren't even very well-designed. Like, I know people play this game in

wildly

different ways but what type of responses did you anticipate to each question from a town Fate? From a scum Fate?

[Nuwen]

SEE NOW I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP IN ST00PID FUCKING TANGENTS

[Nuwen]

Dude Reck even if you are

~RIGHT~

(and I think your reads here are good: UT is p much defscum), what you've done for the last couple pages is so WRONG in presentation, cooperation, collaboration, explanation and a bunch of other gerunds.

I realize everyone in this game wants or wants to think he has the power to command "X is scum, everyone else's reads are trash, prepare my throne plz."

I'm really, really baffled as to why UT isn't a MORE SIGNIFICANT LYNCH CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW. He's literally dropped off the radar in favor of Reck's massive blowouts, Matt -> Trollie, and this new offwagon on Axxle. What the FUCK is that? If UT AND Reck were competing mislynches I'd expect different things to be happening w/ votes.

[Nuwen]

Regretted wasting the effort. Fate is being a roadblock, but the answer isn't to lynch him first

When you start ignoring Fate you NEUTER his power. Scum often crack under the rapid-fire back and forth his posts force (and by quickly spitting out posts, scum are more likely to do something perceived as scummy by the general audience - think of it like a probability:frequency problem), and town either have to follow his lead or start appealing to the general audience instead

so this is me appealing to the general audience + Reck I guess

[Nuwen]

Regretted wasting the effort. Fate is being a roadblock, but the answer isn't to lynch him first

When you start ignoring Fate you NEUTER his power. Scum often crack under the rapid-fire back and forth his posts force (and by quickly spitting out posts, scum are more likely to do something perceived as scummy by the general audience - think of it like a probability:frequency problem), and town either have to follow his lead or start appealing to the general audience instead

so this is me appealing to the general audience + Reck I guess

[Nuwen]

"I'M POSTING FROM BED LOOK HOW TOWN I AM"

BEEP BOOP LYNCH PLEASE

What

This is just pathetic now

nah that was actually pretty effective at getting me to think about reck-scum

Ok fuck this Trollie is scum

VOTE: Trollie

Kdowns is still scum but holy fucking shit Trollie is shitting it up as he always does as scum

He's not even TRYING and he always gives an effort as town

still not lynching the voteless slot, try again.

someone (singer/glork hydra) mentioned that a voteless goon was in a f2f setup at scumhaus. i just want to point out that 1. f2f improvisation != this setup 2. you don't waste d1 lynches (or n1 actions) on setup spec.

[Nuwen]

Sorry if I've missed this, but, Nuwen, do you think Reck is town?

I'll put it this way: Reck really can't be scum with UT

(it's not impossible, but there's no good angle for it).

Reck is HELPING ME LYNCH SCUM. People who LYNCH MY READS get to enjoy a beloved status. This is how you use Nuwen as scum, but Reck had the same read first - this tells me he probably saw similar stuff vs. agreeing with me so I'll keep him alive.

UT is actively and regularly posting in other games and other areas of the site

, but still hasn't really committed to this thread because he'll prob just out scumbuddies.

fate if we get into another situation where my reads are wrong and yours are right, what betting terms do you want to set? I get your vote, you get mine?

The hose?

[Nuwen]

One of the dudes calling you scum is about to be strung up. You don't have an opinion? Keeping hands clean / know your buddies are still off the wagon and can provide the last bit of momentum HRMRW,FGJWSGKJEG

[Nuwen]

you asked me in 204 if I thought Reck was scum and I said no.

So you'll just post in other games while one of your not-scum reads gets lynched over here?

Ok.

[Nuwen]

@Nuwen...why

isn't

Fate the lynch of the day?

Fate isn't UT.

[Nuwen]

Weekend report:

Ythan wagon doesn't do much for me.

I like that Adorkable is voting for scum.

A wagon on Fate is HORRIBLY CONCEIVED because Ralph Nadar 2004. Don't make it more difficult to lynch UT plz.

[Nuwen]

kdowns is probably scum too but we're not getting distracted please.

[Nuwen]

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[Nuwen]

What do you think of Fate and why do you want to keep him around?

Here I'll put it in words that don't clash with your R-R-R-R-R-REALITY

in a world where Fate is scum with UT a'la Reck & Glork/Singer, let's talk about the MASSIVE AND AMAZING POWERS that would give scum-Fate an incentive to save UT.

NOW do you want to kill Fate first? Geez.

[Nuwen]

I see you over there Glork

Now come explain why you're still holding out for your own lynch when mine has bukko firesale support.

[Nuwen]

Your lynch didn't have "bukko firesale support" until literally the last page, so.

Let me make sure I'm understanding a few things first (please correct me if I'm wrong):

-You think Fate is scum with UT.
-You don't think there's a possibility of Reck/Fate scum.
-Your excuse for lynching UT first is that you think Fate is protecting a scum power-role (implying that they'd HAVE to be scum together).

Y/N?

I said let me speak to GLORK. The one with the brainmeat I like.

Fate could be the only alternative mislynch on the plate right now (who doesn't love a good Fate bbq and wouldn't like to resolve past grudges, deeep deep down?). Fate could be a goon to UT's godfather. Fate could disappear into a black bag and become the next papal candidate.

What's IMPORTANT is that Fate IS NOT IMPORTANT because not only is he ignoring me and my reads, he's also calling my scum pick town. Even if he's scum the LAST thing I want to do is give him attention and a platform to use for misdirection and other stuff.

No, I don't think Reck and Fate are scum together and I don't care that it's a dim possibility in your mind.

[Nuwen]

UT hasn't posted in awhile, are you prodding him or is he ACTIVE IN THE QUICKTOPIC

[Nuwen]

fate has already claimed scum, this should be a no-brainer.

vote fate

[Nuwen]

Dance vote: Nuwen

Axxle is prob the last scum, but we'll worry about that later.

[Nuwen]

I don't really want to dick around with fate.

The guy who replaced Grimm just committed the "convince me" tell

[Nuwen]

[quote="In post 716, xRECKONERx"]there's no conceivable way that the unlynchability of Fate is pro-town/quote]

This isn't actually accurate, as YOU pointed out earlier.

I think Fate full claims in the next post sounds like pretty good play.

was/will be at a MtG tournament all weekend so things are slow over here.

[Nuwen]

Ok if Fate is unlynchable, the only course of action is to test. So we lynch him

I don't understand this PoV either. If Fate is unlynchable then the LAST thing I want to do it burn another day phase confirming what we already know. What we DON'T know is whether Fate CAN be lynched eventually, or under specific circumstances, or ????.

Here's what I think, itemized for ease:

1. Fate really isn't giving any fucks this game. He cheekily defended his buddy, claimed scum, and has p much done everything in his power to make us want to lynch him. Fate has succeeded once.

2. Expected behavior from scum Fate includes: apathy, low levels of caring, inconsistency in favor of volume, renegade solo play w/ bussing.

Basically, I think it's MORE likely that as scum his role is enabled in some way rather than governor-ism. The kills don't make sense from someone trying to live one more phase, but do make sense from someone WHO WANTS TO BE LYNCHED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

[Nuwen]

We're not lynching fate.

Whoever was part of that super mario thing last night needs to claim.

why not.

and why the hell do they need to claim,what does that gain us at all

Read the mechanic and you'll figure out the answer to that question.

Vote, RECK

Hey, just so we're clear this is a bad vote.

[Nuwen]

Life and shit is pretty crazy, so this is a prof dodge. Run this up to claim

VOTE: havingfitZ

[Nuwen]

claim in your next post or you author a writ of hammer.

[Nuwen]

nhammen, you should hammer while you're in the thread now.

[Nuwen]

Carry on

[Nuwen]

Vote Axxle

[Nuwen]

"chances are" isnt really the explanation I was looking for

Axxle is the only scum candidate left. It's that simple. He's not even efforting the final day with Ythan vote, which is pretty understandable. Confirm your vote on his face plz.

[Nuwen]

Here's the shortlist:

7 prods? This is the game to be in!

The last invitational I played in (scummer of love) a ton of the mafia just kind of lurked and never really explained their votes all that much, I had to vig them to get rid of them. I'm thinking that it might be a solid idea to do so here too. (not vig, look for scum). Actually looking back at that game, Reck was scum and plays ridiculously differently.

Unvote: Reck

As for the scummiest lurker... Welp, I guess UT reminds me of Panzer's play in sol, so...

Vote: UT

And yes I realize I'm hopping wagons here. Deal with it.

Prior to bussing, Axxle was trying to feel out a bunch of alternative wagons, namely Reck (WHEN FATE AND RECK WERE 1V1ING). The vote on UT came after it was clear no alternatives were emerging.

The scummiest part, though...

I am really not feeling fatescum.

dance vote: Gamma

Pretty much 100% sure he's town, not *that* certain of Nuwen.

How inconsistent is this shit? Instead of revisiting Reck vs. Fate (which Axxle definitely had a fake opinion on, given that he started calling Reck town to segue into UT vote), Axxle changes focus to new candidates. Introducing new stuff is a good way to make people forget or gloss over important, revealing things that have already occurred in a game. A town mind would be thinking "Well if Reck is town here... what the hell is this UT-defending Fate?" Instead, Axxle proposes not ONE but TWO alternatives to a D2 Fate lynch.

Just kill it geez

[Nuwen]

Wait are you seriously a dayvig, Axxle? I need a 100% honest answer to this.

I'm not a dayvig, but I can force a lynch, which is why I'm much more conflicting using it.

So, it is essentially a dayvig that ends the day?

I can confirm my role if that's what it takes.

At this point, that's probably what it will take. I fully intend to vote you if you do not.

You should vote him anyway, there's a 2nd source of bullets in this game and it's decidedly anti-town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it could daykill to support a fakeclaim in a game with unlynchable scum zzzz setup.

[Nuwen]

Only one kill again last night on the giver of shinies, not a town kill.

Trash vote, and I GUARANTEE Axxle rides support of my lynch because the only thing that threatens him as an SK is my vest.

I still think Axxle's ability is a way to avoid prisoner's in this setup, in lieu of something more traditional like a vest @ night. It's possible that designers didn't want to oversaturate the game with vests, so each anti-town faction was given a day mechanic to contend with each other instead of cross-shot prevention (unlynchable + govern)

Massclaim starting with ???. Axxle isn't going to claim any additional shit now that people are calling him confirmed town, and I seriously doubt he has a kdowns shiny.

[Nuwen]

Uh fuck no

Fishing for a doc claim after two nights of one shots = "I know there should be more kills." It just slipped @ having inside info of some kind

VOTE: vote hohum

[Nuwen]

I can smell the lack of conviction. Hohum NEEDS some missing link to set up his own claim, so I think the idea here is to start the claim chain as far away from himself as possible (because I've expressed suspension of Axxle primarily?) after it was suggested. I don't know if that's a poorly-conceived blitzkrieg or not thinking ahead or what, but the plasticity reeks strong as a "convince me plz" tell.

[Nuwen]

Also of particular importance is if he can't vote that really doesn't clear him of anything.

Fate reaaaaaally tried to use the "I can't vote / I can't be lynched I CAN PROVE IT" thing as a point that he's confirmed town. Claiming responsibility for that effect either means hohum is cohorts'ing, or story checks out. Voteless effect as part of a gambit means Hohum would HAVE to be scum and NOT the second shooter, which explains why he's asking about doctors. He would know there has to be something preventing the second shot (as opposed to all the scum being just dead). I guess this also fits with some of the stuff Fate was trying to spew about Trollie, where he said something like "WELL ONLY ONE VOTELESS CAN BE TOWN RIGHT?" to suggest a 1-1 with Trollie. Or something like that.

[Nuwen]

1. CONFIRM: VOTE
2. OH YEAH NUWEN CLAIM

Ehh I guess that's just desperation / no outs in a dead game.

[Nuwen]

lol. We need to be lynching nuwen

I can't shoot Nuwen.

[Nuwen]

When I asked for a massclaim it was necessary to lock down the game. Since hohum just scum slipped by specifically looking for doctor/protective roles, massclaim is no longer necessary.

[Nuwen]

When I asked for a massclaim it was necessary to lock down the game. Since hohum just scum slipped by specifically looking for doctor/protective roles, massclaim is no longer necessary.

We know that there's a role that

protects

from a kill in the setup because of the adorkable kill mistake, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Dayviging SK?

No.

Is that a

doc softclaim

from you nuwen?

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why the SK candidate and the scum-slipper are searching specifically for a

doctor

or

protective

role? The mod only confirmed that Adorkable should have died - not that it was protected. The language used by both Axxle and hohum is more specific than the moderator's and this is not a coincidence or common mistake.

Someone without perfect/additional info should be considering the presence of a roleblocker (town or otherwise), or any of DOZENS of roles that could interact with a kill in some way. The fact that both of these shooter candidates are immediately doc/protector-hunting should give us a clue: scum controlled the roleblocker (and still do? Maybe it's dead, no flips), which is why hohum slipped and said DOCTOR instead of vaguer language.

I think it was Yosarian who famously quoted "Players subconsciously always tell something about their role or motivation." He is correct. We need to be lynching hohum today.

although I would like to know what in your post led him to see a Doc claim. I already asked him, once...

the only thing that threatens him as an SK is my vest.

This.

It's thin but I was hoping that Nuwen was the one doing all the saving.

I wanted her to confirm my original town read. But instead what I got was an OMGUS vote, so v0v.

This doesn't even make sense. Hohum basically says: "I think there's a doctor in the game (

FOR WHATEVER REASON

), I think it's Nuwen, I think Nuwen is town, but if Nuwen doesn't claim doctor she is no longer town?" That isn't a sequence that logically follows for a town mine. That sequence DOES make sense as a scum realization that he can't shoot a protective role and needs to instead desperately try to lynch it.

[Nuwen]

I'm resisting because it's just nota necessary distraction worth pursuing, but I guess COOPERATION. I'm thetrollie, with a one-shot ability "orgy." Target up to three people and if their roles are all male, they're jail kept. I targeted myself, fate, and confirmed town. I got a kdowns goodie n3 and used it last night.

[Nuwen]

Axxle, I want you to summarize for me why you currently aren't voting for Hohum. Less than 3 sentences.

[Nuwen]

d00t dee d00t

[Nuwen]

Prods please.

[Nuwen]

This game is dead and gone. Would lynch Trollie. Wouldn't lynch nhammen. Will be back to throw the hammer.

[Nuwen]

VOTE: thetrollie