Mini 1414: Mafia and Werewolves - Game Over

[Maenara]

You haven't said anything useful for two weeks. Do something or die.

[rapidcanyon]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

JacobSavage

- 0/6 ()

evilpacman18

- 0/6 ()

Viomi

- 1/6 (the director)

JasonWazz

a - 0/6 ()

YOLO

- 1/6 (Viomi)

the director

- 0/6 ()

Maenara

- 1/6 (Josh Lyman)

Josh Lyman

- 4/6 (JasonWazza, Revenus, Maenara, YOLO)

Revenus

- 0/6 ()

WT Snacks

- 0/6 ()

Not Voting (3)

: JacobSavage, WT Snacks, evilpacman18

Deadline

: February 21st, 9PM, PST.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-21 21:00:00)

~ Jacob Savage is on V/LA till 2/14.
~ Viomi is V/LA till 2/13.

My apologies for the inactivity. I have been busy yesterday. Thanks Papazito for prodding the inactives.

[the director]

No worries Rapid, stuff happens.

@Josh - playing chicken with your wagon, eh?

[WT Snacks]

Sorry for not posting for a while. Both heads have been super busy IRL.

However Josh your lurking is total bullshit. You've posted twice so you're clearly here and reading the post, you're just trying to coast your way through the day by trying to appear uncaring about the votes on you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh Lyman

That's L-1. Maybe now we'll see if the director has the balls to hammer that he keeps claiming to have.

[the director]

VOTE: Josh Lyman

You lost the game of chicken.

[evilpacman18]

director is scum.

[rapidcanyon]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

Josh Lyman - 6/6 (JasonWazza, Revenus, Maenara, YOLO, WT Snacks, the director)

YOLO

- 1/6 (Viomi)

Maenara

- 1/6 (Josh Lyman)

Not Voting (2)

: JacobSavage, evilpacman18

Josh Lyman - Vanilla Townie

has been lynched Day 2.

It is now Night 2.

Deadline

: February 14th, 9PM, PST.

Night 2 ends in (expired on 2013-02-14 21:00:00)

Please submit Night Actions.

[rapidcanyon]

Dead during Night 2:

evilpacman - Town Doctor

WT Snacks - Mafia Goon

[rapidcanyon]

VOTE COUNT 3.0

JacobSavage

- 0/4 ()

Viomi

- 0/4 ()

JasonWazza

- 0/4 ()

YOLO

- 0/4 ()

the director

- 0/4 ()

Maenara

- 0/4 ()

Revenus

- 0/4 ()

Not Voting (7)

: JacobSavage, Viomi, JasonWazza, YOLO, the director, Maenara, Revenus

Deadline

: February 28th, 11:59PM, PST.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2013-02-28 23:59:00)

[Revenus]

vote the director

for that ridiculous early hammer

let's not forget he didn't autohammer hiraki and autohammered jlyman even though he thought hiraki was possible scum

[the director]

^nice try, guy.

VOTE: Revenus

[Maenara]

Okay, so we're looking at two remaining scum here, unaffiliated with each other, one teamed up with Hiraki, the other with WT. The former shot Aj, the latter shot EPM.

Yeah, okay, I can work with that.

VOTE: the director

Explain thyself.

[the director]

Explain what? Go fish.

[Maenara]

Your choice.

I mean, you could try explaning why that up there is not an OMGUS vote, but really, any explanation of anything would work.

[the director]

I'm the easy target, so the fact that Rev attacked me was expected. Dumb scum is dumb.

I expected more out of you, though, Rae. Nevertheless, if you want to call it OMGUS, you do that.

[Maenara]

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying I want you to tell us why it's not. We're reaching a stage in the game where it's mighty nice to have people saying a lot, because that makes them much clearer as reads.

But fine. You wanna keep on with that style?

I'll get behind it for now. 'sides, he was a slimy git in the beginning.

VOTE: Revenus

Your move.

[Maenara]

Woah, woah, woah.

I just realized.

YOLO has less than 2% of the posts in this game. Despite having been here the entire time.

Woah.

VOTE: YOLO

Say something. Now. No lurkers at this point.

[YOLO]

Going through WT Snack's post history, the thing that piques my interest the most is the confusion about Revenus. For reference:

WTSnacks seems content with my wagon even as he sits on his RVS vote; oh wait, that's because the only thing he's commented on is me.

You can chalk this up to confusion between hydra heads; we're kinda new at this.

I don't really see what communication between hydra heads has to do with this. Votes and votecounts can be found in the game thread, not in some kind of quicktopic or instant messenger. Especially when they're new at this, you'd think they'd put more effort into making sure they were speaking with one mouth. I feel like this could be soft-bussing as we often see in scumpairs: Showing suspicion on your scumbuddy, but voting someone else. And interestingly, that's exactly what Revenus does with WT Snacks:

Mmm, let's iso WTSnacks real quick

post #4: RVS vote (null)
post #57: seems to implicitly agree with the crowd that I'm scum (null), and questions me for finding Hume's "novel" good. He calls Hume town (why? he didn't even read Hume's post), and seems to imply that I"m scummy because of this (scummy)
post #58: corrects a quote (null)
post #59: calls me out for not scumhunting, blah blah blah, which is ironic since he hasn't scumhunted at all so far. furthermore, he's still sitting on his RVS vote at this point even though he calls me scum (scummy)
post #66: asks me why I'm still voting my RVS vote (null)
post #84: asks the director why he bothered analyzing the game. feels like wanting to restrict conversation, especially since I really liked director's post #80, which WTS is referring to (scummy)
post #196: calls hiraki town, doesn't really explain why, tell us he doesn't really like one post (null)
post #197: again affirms that he thinks hiraki is town, calls out Xegarus for being scummy, but doesn't vote (null)
post #210: seizes upon Navarre's terrible antitown post (townish), and lays a decent case out.

This post was Revenus's ISO post of WT Snacks. What stands out is that WT Snacks gets a lot of null/scummy tags and only own townish tag, but this is not followed up by vote or even pressure. Then in post 252, Revenus does vote WT Snacks, but in the exact same post switches to Xegarus, saying he is much more scummy.

Interestingly, both WT Snacks and Revenus called eachother scummy but never went to the point of actually voting eachother. I think we might be dealing with a scum connection here.

Oh, but I do agree with Revenus that The Director's sudden hammer on Josh Lyman is awfully suspicious.
Let's compare:
D1: The Director was very vocal about hammering, called Hiraki scum, but hesitated on the hammer.
D2: The Director didn't say anything about hammering, said nothing about Josh, then hammered out of the blue.

I feel that The Director's hesitation on hammering Navarre could have just been a way to cover up for his inconsistency in behaviour between being so vocal about hammering and not hammering Hiraki. He couldn't just hammer anybody after not hammering Hiraki, that would be way too obvious a connection. So he had to hesitate on another lynch before he could just continue hammering anybody. That theory makes sense to me.

At this point, I'm thinking of a Revenus/WT Snacks and Hiraki/The Director pairing.

I can vote for either player, but I'm going with Revenus right now.

Vote: Revenus

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Some leftover stuff from yesterday:

You finally post and hop on the biggest wagon. VOTE: YOLO

Good point on director btw.

You are aware that I'd been asking for a Jacob/Josh wagon for almost the entire first day, right? Of course I support a wagon that I 'started'.

@YOLO;
Are you only gonna do policy lynches?

Cause if so i will put your head on the chopping block with the 3 you named

No. Like I said, I couldn't find scummy behaviour or connections at the time, but we had a few very anti-town players among us. Wagon'ing those players had to be done. A quicklynch was not my idea though, but it certainly gives us a lot of information.

Woah, woah, woah.

I just realized.

YOLO has less than 2% of the posts in this game. Despite having been here the entire time.

Woah.

VOTE: YOLO

Say something. Now. No lurkers at this point.

While my post count is a statistic that leaves a lot to be desired, I think I can say that I've done more than most players in this game.


Closing thoughts:
JacobSavage is still posting nothing, but with actual clues for scum turning up, I'm not too interested in him atm.

WT Snacks just flipped scum. The Director just made a very suspicious quickhammer. We just received a lot of information to work with. We should discuss this instead of initiating an RVS on Day 3.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Viomi

Reasoning;

The whole "there could be just 1 scum team" argument still seems to be coming from mafia.
Her interactions with WT consists (of what i can see as) a really soft bus and doesn't really look at WT that hard.
Could also be a partner for her hard press against Hiraki "your a good player but scum" in her first few posts
The hard push on Director for the "slip"

[the director]

oh god its like Christmas i can either support killing rev or killing viomi. Viomi vote revenus.

[Maenara]

Now that Jacob is done with his conveniently timed VLA, I'm thinking we might all wanna hear something from him, actually. WT was an odd kill - Almost like something done by someone who hadn't really been following the game.

VOTE: Jacob

(( Yes, I'm blatantly not taking a stance until we've got everyone back in the game and with no ready excusess for not participating ))

[JasonWazza]

Now that Jacob is done with his conveniently timed VLA, I'm thinking we might all wanna hear something from him, actually. WT was an odd kill - Almost like something done by someone who hadn't really been following the game.

VOTE: Jacob

(( Yes, I'm blatantly not taking a stance until we've got everyone back in the game and with no ready excusess for not participating ))

So Viomi was with Hiraki and you were with WT?

He's a hydra and did nothing but lurked, he was either a PR or scum or a really pathetic hydra

As for Jacob i think lynching him is a mistake for now, he normally lurks like this so it's not really a scum tactic for him.

[the director]

(( Yes, I'm blatantly not taking a stance until we've got everyone back in the game and with no ready excusess for not participating ))

High five!

[JacobSavage]

Hello Im back bitches.

1st: How is my V/LA conviently (yes I can't spell, get over it) timed? More to the point how is V/LA ever conviently timed. It happened when it happened because of real life. If you want I can go and gather all the bits of paper that show that it was then my lab report was due and it was then that
2nd: Jason makes a good point on the only one scum team "slip", so for now I'll go with that until I can dig up something new
VOTE: Viomi (L-2)

Director is being Director unfortunately. but I can see him being scum with WT but given that I am pretty sure Viomi is Mafia this doesn't make much sense if it is co-ordinated.


Also considering that it is lylo bascially (5:1:1 lynch town => 2:1:1 [assuming no-cross kills] => scum win almost certain) what does everyone think on a mass-claim. I'm happy to go first if we go down that root.

[the director]

Director is being Director unfortunately.

I should sig this.