NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[ActionDan]

NEVER ANY DOUBT. I can vote MattP cause of cop claim HURR DURR. Buldermar died BG so obviously scum are trying to kill "someone" off, but it could be any role, like our IC, or maybe our masons! I sure wasn't implying that scum totally wanted to take out the cop claim thereby suggesting that said cop claim is town!

I wasn't


MattP was my townread but I saw the guilty report at about 2 AM and I just thought "Oh well played MattP" and just voted. I wasn't hesitant cuz it was late and idrc

You've seemed to care all throughout this game, you wouldn't have that many posts otherwise regardless of form. I don't believe you'd let go of your town-read yesterday, and not question the cop claim in any serious regard today.

Sure, Dan. If you flip town, we'll totally lynch off IAmInnocent and Vifam.

Also you don't have to be mean about this... It's rude.

Really will you? MattP died screaming for IaI lynch, so it doesn't inspire that much confidence saying this now. Not just you btw, UN is also saying he will fo sure lynch IaI tomorrow even though he was all for IaI being lynched today with MattP flipping town the day before. However I think the shame of town getting fooled twice should be enough

Actually I want to talk about/to UN.

If Matt flips town, IAI gets lynched.

If Matt flips scum, IAI gets killed anyway.

Problem solves itself.

Next.

k I can dig

Vote: ActionDan

p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

i.e. disney villains

holy fuck i will never live that down BUT it also wasn't my fault because they lynched all sorts of people that were 100% town

kinda like AP in this game


p-edit: yeah i got it.

How in the world did you go so fast from one idea to another based soley on IaI's spec about a possible busdriver (like congrats you now know what a busdriver does, why I'd be unlikely to be targetted by one, and a possible reason a town cop would target me to avoid one of the two parties being busdrove: but how can does this in any way convince you IaI isn't simply lying about being a cop)?

VOTE: IaI

there's not going to be a framer because it's absolutely useless when there's IC + 3 masons.

this is setup speculating instead of saying "no, he's lying, i'm town" or something similar

this doesn't sound like a town response

I voted IaI in this post before IaI claimed a guilty on me. Even so, did I really have to say that I believed he was lying while voting for him?

What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

I'll be laughing at you at the very least for your shit-tier play today.

Well Dan pushing IaI as scum is kind of a bad scum play since he goes down if IaI flips town today.

So maybe you are town?

You didn't think he was a cop? Why does that matter for who scum-IaI fake investigates then? If you flip town, he would def go down tomorrow and I think everyone is on that page.

You asked me to respond to this somewhere.

I get the feeling you don't get what scum do these situations. If I were scum here I wouldn't be looking to survive more than the next lynch considering the circumstances. I would never bank on anything else. Neither would IaI. As is MANIFESTLY OBVIOUS but apparently peolple like relying on the opptimism of role-spec like relying on a gut-shot in hold'em. It matters only so much as to negate a vote for the hail mary that is to come.

[Vifam]

You've seemed to care all throughout this game, you wouldn't have that many posts otherwise regardless of form. I don't believe you'd let go of your town-read yesterday, and not question the cop claim in any serious regard today.

I'm pretty serious when I say I think IAI is legit

At the point MattP was guilted I just handwaved my townread on him, this was all late at night and I wasn't in the mood for thinking hard about the situation at hand. In any case where I'm town I'd probably do the exact same thing and worry about whether the cop was legit later

[penguin_alien]

I'm not sure what the optimal play is here. I don't think there was much choice other than lynching MattP yesterday barring a PR claim, and I'm assuming that if anyone had PR-derived information to demonstrate that I Am Innocent isn't on the up-and-up they'd have come forward by now. A framer or bus driver or redirector isn't out of the question, but since a framer or redirector would have had to know that I Am Innocent would target Action Dan, that seems less likely; the only reasonable explanation is that scum figured I Am Innocent would investigate a scum team member and so switched said member with known-to-them townie Action Dan via bus driver.

Sorry if that's all repetitive; I'm trying to work it out in my own head right now.

I'm assuming we have no third-party killing roles unless said role is trolling or incredibly unlucky. That means that with a lynch today we're at 10 alive tomorrow, and if scum started out five strong, we're suddenly at MyLo if we don't choose correctly today. Heck, if they started at 6/21, we're at MyLo here. And without an answer as to whether our cop is legit, about all we can count on is scum killing another conf-town tonight.

We have well over a week to work on figuring this out, so I'm not inclined to rush into anything. If we are at MyLo, banking all the time in the world won't help if we choose poorly.

[Vifam]

Framer / Busdriver / Whatever, they're has to be SOME type of counter to all the PR's town has All Goons + JK makes no fucking sense. Framer would be a more direct counter to cop, but a busdriver seems more helpful to the scumteam from what I'm hearing. I don't see how ActionDan isn't the optimal lynch for today since IAI JUST being scum doesn't add up well

[AngryPidgeon]

I get the feeling you don't get what scum do these situations. If I were scum here I wouldn't be looking to survive more than the next lynch considering the circumstances. I would never bank on anything else. Neither would IaI. As is MANIFESTLY OBVIOUS but apparently peolple like relying on the opptimism of role-spec like relying on a gut-shot in hold'em. It matters only so much as to negate a vote for the hail mary that is to come.

Ok, I was bullshitting there to see if you would latch on to a town read I was trying to give you.

Im undecided. Dumb as this all is, I kind of just want to lynch Majiffy.

[Vifam]

You're all pussies

[TheReverend]

He was looking scummy and was a likely cop target maybe?

[TheReverend]

Oh, new page... ^ that was at mhork.

[AngryPidgeon]

p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

Ya what the fuck is this post. Its killing my townread on uber. Hes 100% confident IaI is innocent now?

[penguin_alien]

With one scum team in play, a scum bus driver seems pretty useful--they can switch one of their number with anyone else; not only is there a decent shot of messing with the cop's investigation, if they get the cop claiming guilty on one of the three masons, they force the masons (or at least one other) to claim at that time, countering the power of a possible undetected town bloc marching through the game.

[Lord Mhork]

Rev, that's silly and incredibly lucky of scum if that's true.

PEdit:
Exactly!

[AngryPidgeon]

How likely is it that Dan and IaI are both town?

[TheReverend]

Yeah, more likely the "cop" is full of shit and is lining up mislynch after mislynch while we talk shit, right?

[Vifam]

How likely is it that Dan and IaI are both town?

That means busdriver shenanigans right

[Lord Mhork]

AP, extremely unlikely, I think.

PEdit:
Lucky bus driver shenanigans.

[AngryPidgeon]

How likely is it that Dan and IaI are both town?

That means busdriver shenanigans right

Well Matt turned up town despite IaI saying he was scum.....

So if IaI is town then there has to be something. Framer seems like the most likely.

[TheReverend]

BULLSHIT COP seems most likley. Jeez what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Scum claims cop. Either...
a) it draws a CC, or
b) there is no cop and thus no CC

[Vifam]

The only way ActionDan could have possibly been framed is if the scumteam is literally composed of the scummiest dudes in this game, It's more likely that ActionDan is scum

[Vifam]

BULLSHIT COP seems most likley. Jeez what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Scum claims cop. Either...
a) it draws a CC, or
b) there is no cop and thus no CC

What

[Lord Mhork]

AP, why is framer more likely than bus driver?

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, why is framer more likely than bus driver?

Because Framer is a normal role. Bus Driver/Redirector aren't.

[TheReverend]

I'm bored and confused. Mhork and mollie should decide between them who to lynch, and I'll sheep. If you guys decide to lynch me, cheers.

[Lord Mhork]

Since when is bus driver abnormal? 0.o
Lemme go check

PEdit:
Oh, rev. You so silly.

[AngryPidgeon]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

^ Roles allowed in normal games. LArge normals are allowed to have 2 roles not listed on that page.

[Lord Mhork]

That's weird. 0.o