Micro 148: 50/50 Mafia (OVER)
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zachattack Goon
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D3f3nd3r he/himBest Social Gamehe/him
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They self-vote.In post 322, zachattack wrote:@Mod: What happens if somebody doesn't send in their anonymous vote in the 48 hours?-
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Kid A Mafia Scum
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KX Goon
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Yeah, seems to be. Well, then we know who voted CE and TNE, and so we can assume that all scum were among those who voted me. I mean, it's an anonymous vote, no reason to vote for a partner. Also, my other inspect was on Mothrax based on Hamlet's reading them town, didn't think that they'd name two non-partners are highly town. However, seems like they did. Well, I think we have enough to vote TNE off now. Any objections?-
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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So you vote me because I anon vote you?
And for apparently not seeing your claim?-
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KX Goon
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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"Faking"
Yeah
Like you knew what I had to do-
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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It's part of the reason why I requested replacement.
But it didn't work out so well.-
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zachattack Goon
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I don't trust KX.
Situation didn't look bad for you at all, it looked like scum voted you. Why you so worried?In post 299, KX wrote:And yes, I do realize how bad this looks for me. Hopefully the anonymous votes will help to clean me a little, unlikely that 7/9 anonymous votes would be on mafia and the 2 on different people when voting is anonymous etc.
Prescient guess. It's obvious that's what happened now, I dont think anyone lied about their vote, but it was a stretch at the time unless you and Ham were the scum team and you knew he self voted. You also knew the active town were all on you two so it was likely that CE flaked. I thought you were scums choice for anon lynch, but looking back, I think the 6 active townies were just really on the ball in the anon stage.In post 298, KX wrote:Inspected City, so yeah. Damn. City, why you play like that?
Anyway, mafia gain the most out of a non-mafia player being lynched, and as such would most likely try to control the lynch. This makes it seem like they would have all voted the same player. Of the votes, the only clustering were on Hamlet, who flipped scum, and so was most likely not who the mafia voted for, and Me. However, if PimHel claims to have voted me, it means we probably only have one mafia left, or PimHel is mafia. Also, we can probably assume whoever voted City is clean.The other option is that both City and Hamlet flaked on the anonymous vote, and so ended up self voting.
Vote:KX-
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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KX: Any confirmed people?-
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KX Goon
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When I said it looked bad for me, I meant because Hamlet said I looked extremely town and my inspect target died. I chose to inspect City because I had no clue if they would be active or not, and obviously nobody wanted to lynch them. My inspect on Mothrax was because they subbed in, there was a large amount of content they could go off of which could fake the illusion of towness, and they led the lynch on you, who it looked like wasn't scum. I suppose I could have gone with TNE, but personally I was hoping they would be lynched off anyway at some point. As for a town tracker, I would expect one not to be present in this theme, or if they were, they they would only get who the person actually used their action on. For instance, if the tracker hit mafia, they would get both a cleaned villy and a mafia out of the deal, which seems a little OP. In addition, considering the Cop is a pretty basic role, and nobody has counterclaimed, I think we can assume I am Cop. Though you do make me realize that a 2 man scum team is probably what we face.
Btw, @TNE,can you elaborate at all on how these circumstances would mean that you missed reading all the thread until your fourth post upon returning?PEDIT: can you read the thread?-
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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Oh. And who was the other you tried to investigate?-
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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Why would I lie about my anon vote?-
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Seeing as how I'm the Cop and Hamlet was scum, it makes to most sense for scum to vote me, and no sense at all for them to vote Hamlet. However, because of this, a scum player would actually vote me while lying and saying that they voted Hamlet. If you really want I can go into more detail, but pretty much with the information that all votes on me were claimed, I'm village, Hamlet was scum, and that the vote not for me or him are known, we can deduce that the scum is within TNE, PimHel, or Hyperion. Because a situation like that can be set up, a more thoughtful scum more involved in the game would fake their anonymous vote, and prevent any selection like that being drawn from the results.-
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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So why wouldLie aboutIvote?My-
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Something about this post rubs me wrong.In post 335, zachattack wrote:He also targeted the person who died, and the person who I personally believe made the most sense for a mafia kill, Moth. That pre-empts a tracker result. And he didn't bother to investigate the guy who he had a scum or VI read on.
Calling out your biggest townread and saying "town should have known scum would try to kill him." And then saying that preempts a tracker result, I'm not a fan. First of, with a claimed cop and a supersoft claim on another PR, why would I be a target unless you have information I don't. Second, even if there were a tracker, there would still be no need to claim your other attempted target. KX has zero motivation as scum to claim a target on me. Town KX defo does though, because why lie?
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