Micro 148: 50/50 Mafia (OVER)

[zachattack]

Ok, thought so, just wanted confirmation and it wasn't in the opening post.

KX, who was your other target?

[D3f3nd3r]

@Mod: What happens if somebody doesn't send in their anonymous vote in the 48 hours?

They self-vote.

[Kid A]

the last two votes were CE and Hamlet so probably self vote

[KX]

Yeah, seems to be. Well, then we know who voted CE and TNE, and so we can assume that all scum were among those who voted me. I mean, it's an anonymous vote, no reason to vote for a partner. Also, my other inspect was on Mothrax based on Hamlet's reading them town, didn't think that they'd name two non-partners are highly town. However, seems like they did. Well, I think we have enough to vote TNE off now. Any objections?

[thenewearth]

So you vote me because I anon vote you?

And for apparently not seeing your claim?

[KX]

I vote you for bad playing, being among the group which is outlined as scum, Hamlet's evasion of commenting on you, and faking missing my claim.

[thenewearth]

"Faking"

Yeah

Like you knew what I had to do

[KX]

Sorry, but I seriously do not see how it's possible to have missed it, and your reaction just seems weird when you "notice." And that last line means?

[thenewearth]

It's part of the reason why I requested replacement.
But it didn't work out so well.

[zachattack]

I don't trust KX.

And yes, I do realize how bad this looks for me. Hopefully the anonymous votes will help to clean me a little, unlikely that 7/9 anonymous votes would be on mafia and the 2 on different people when voting is anonymous etc.

Situation didn't look bad for you at all, it looked like scum voted you. Why you so worried?

Inspected City, so yeah. Damn. City, why you play like that?

Anyway, mafia gain the most out of a non-mafia player being lynched, and as such would most likely try to control the lynch. This makes it seem like they would have all voted the same player. Of the votes, the only clustering were on Hamlet, who flipped scum, and so was most likely not who the mafia voted for, and Me. However, if PimHel claims to have voted me, it means we probably only have one mafia left, or PimHel is mafia. Also, we can probably assume whoever voted City is clean.

The other option is that both City and Hamlet flaked on the anonymous vote, and so ended up self voting.

Prescient guess. It's obvious that's what happened now, I dont think anyone lied about their vote, but it was a stretch at the time unless you and Ham were the scum team and you knew he self voted. You also knew the active town were all on you two so it was likely that CE flaked. I thought you were scums choice for anon lynch, but looking back, I think the 6 active townies were just really on the ball in the anon stage.

Vote:KX

[zachattack]

He also targeted the person who died, and the person who I personally believe made the most sense for a mafia kill, Moth. That pre-empts a tracker result. And he didn't bother to investigate the guy who he had a scum or VI read on.

[thenewearth]

KX: Any confirmed people?

[KX]

When I said it looked bad for me, I meant because Hamlet said I looked extremely town and my inspect target died. I chose to inspect City because I had no clue if they would be active or not, and obviously nobody wanted to lynch them. My inspect on Mothrax was because they subbed in, there was a large amount of content they could go off of which could fake the illusion of towness, and they led the lynch on you, who it looked like wasn't scum. I suppose I could have gone with TNE, but personally I was hoping they would be lynched off anyway at some point. As for a town tracker, I would expect one not to be present in this theme, or if they were, they they would only get who the person actually used their action on. For instance, if the tracker hit mafia, they would get both a cleaned villy and a mafia out of the deal, which seems a little OP. In addition, considering the Cop is a pretty basic role, and nobody has counterclaimed, I think we can assume I am Cop. Though you do make me realize that a 2 man scum team is probably what we face.

Btw, @TNE,

can you elaborate at all on how these circumstances would mean that you missed reading all the thread until your fourth post upon returning?

PEDIT: can you read the thread?

[thenewearth]

Why city even?

[thenewearth]

Oh. And who was the other you tried to investigate?

[KX]

. . .

Anyway, wanted to add that another reason I had for voting TNE was that out of all the people who voted me, they were the only one who I thought would actually say they voted me and not claim to have voted City/Hamlet, seeing as how it would be extremely easy to do.

[KX]

*say that they voted me as scum

[thenewearth]

Why would I lie about my anon vote?

[KX]

Seeing as how I'm the Cop and Hamlet was scum, it makes to most sense for scum to vote me, and no sense at all for them to vote Hamlet. However, because of this, a scum player would actually vote me while lying and saying that they voted Hamlet. If you really want I can go into more detail, but pretty much with the information that all votes on me were claimed, I'm village, Hamlet was scum, and that the vote not for me or him are known, we can deduce that the scum is within TNE, PimHel, or Hyperion. Because a situation like that can be set up, a more thoughtful scum more involved in the game would fake their anonymous vote, and prevent any selection like that being drawn from the results.

[thenewearth]

So why would

I

Lie about

My

vote?

[KX]

One of you three is scum. For the situation we have to arise, the scum must have not lied about their vote. I personally think that out of you, PimHel, and Hyperion, you're the only one who, as scum, wouldn't lie about their vote.

[thenewearth]

That

Or

I'm not scum :/

[KX]

Yeah, could be, but at this time you're the most likely, hence the vote.

[zachattack]

That's actually the same reasoning that led me to look closer at KX, the why aren't Pim or Hyp lying? Hams partner knows Ham self voted, so it would have been fairly easy to claim that. So the fact that nobody did makes me think the KX voters are as town as the Hamlet voters.

[mothrax]

He also targeted the person who died, and the person who I personally believe made the most sense for a mafia kill, Moth. That pre-empts a tracker result. And he didn't bother to investigate the guy who he had a scum or VI read on.

Something about this post rubs me wrong.
Calling out your biggest townread and saying "town should have known scum would try to kill him." And then saying that preempts a tracker result, I'm not a fan. First of, with a claimed cop and a supersoft claim on another PR, why would I be a target unless you have information I don't. Second, even if there were a tracker, there would still be no need to claim your other attempted target. KX has zero motivation as scum to claim a target on me. Town KX defo does though, because why lie?